Communism, Socialism, and Marxism should be declared Treason:

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I am actually against the FED. I do not understand what you are talking about.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I am actually against the FED. I do not understand what you are talking about.

I am talking about how the Fed and the govt work together for all this calumny. I'm not trying to be mean. While the govt can borrow from the Fed to redistribute income any way they see fit, they create this horrid debt problem because they basically get an almost unlimited spending account, while the money we pay to govt goes to pay off the interest on the debt the govt owes to the Fed, and the private bankers pocket the extra cash. Both the public and the private enterprises get what they want, but the people pay. The UN Agenda 21 calls this a "public/private partnership". In the meantime, the govt has made the private citizens responsible for it's debt. This is done also by force, with the IRS the collection arm of it.
Irwin Schiff wrote a book called "The Federal Mafia". Interesting stuff.
Thanks for listening.

Originally posted by nightstalker46
Considering that all three philosophies, as forms of governance, are contrary to the basic intent of personal freedoms, liberties and sovereignty of the individual, as established by the Constitution: Why do we allow anyone, who professes or proselytizes those belief's, to become involved in government at any level. And why should those who openly advocate the overthrow of those Constitutional principals, not be charged and prosecuted as traitors. What greater threat to liberty than that from within. This should be interesting

First off, the Constitution is a corporate contract, that's it, the Decleration of Independence is the REAL document we should be professing here!! Second, this country is and has been, since Lincoln, a Socialist Democracy!! Yes, the civil war was not about being civil, it was about installing a socialist regime and keeping it going, the 13th Amendment is the slavery amendment, and NOT the anti-slavery amendment. The original 13th Amendment was removed and replaced. People need to do some homework and pull their heads out of their butts!!!!!

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Yep, I'm quite sure G Washington was a slave owner , But not real sure about Thomas Edison. ??

Here is Schiff's website

www.taxfreedomnow.com...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Ok let's just cut through all the bs. Do you want bigger government and more Statist control of your life and more restrictions, less freedom, and less concern for your individual needs?

The bs is thinking that what you want has anything to do with what is done. The US government is proof of that. In the 1790's during Washington's term as president the state put a tax on whisky which many refused to pay. The government had no problem gathering close to 13,000 soldiers to get their money.

These were the framers of the constitution. You've been had.

Whiskey Rebellion

CLARIFICATION

1. The whole point of civilization is that we can accomplish more as a group than we can as individual.
2. Very Very few are unwilling to give a helping hand to the less fortunate. So that is not the real issue.
3. Americans are the most generous people on earth.

For some reason, Americans have a reputation for being greedy. Perhaps it’s because so many people have been conditioned to associate capitalism with greed. The truth is, the United States is the most generous nation in the world. This chart shows the top ten countries ranked by private charitable contributions...

the graph above ranks countries by giving, as a percentage of GDP, showing that Americans don’t just give more overall; we give proportionately more, relative to our income, than people in other countries.... notyourdaddy.wordpress.com...

The sticky wicket come in when the HOW to support the needy in society is discussed.

If you believe in INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS you believe the individual has the right to determine how his wealth is used.

If you are a collectivist you believe that OTHERS must be FORCED to give their wealth to support YOUR causes.

If you bother to look at the actual situation it become obvious that the best use of resources is individual to individual. The more steps between the "giver" and the "recipient" the less money is received by the recipient.

The more steps there are the more chance of abuse and corruption.

This also holds true of laws and regulations. The more centralized the regulations the less room for compromise and the more room for bullies on power trips.

The number of raids on kids lemonade stands, on church ladies selling cookies and on PRIVATE food coops while the FDA says its no big deal when a Major drug research company faked thousands of documents to get drugs approved illustrates just how warped a centralized government can be come.

Again "Collectivism" is all about the central government holding all the power while individuals only have the rights the government is willing to grant and that leads to bureaucratic corruption and abuse of the individual. SHIELDING THE GIANT: USDA's “Don't Look, Don't Know” Policy is a good example of bureaucratic corruption and the abuse of an individual.

No matter how you slice it, if you give tremendous power to a central government the ruthless Sociopaths will climb over dead bodies to get to the seats of power and you WILL have abuse. The more laws, the more centralization, the more abuse. We have seen this again and again. It is the nature of centralized government.

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What you fail to realize is that they promote capitalism as well. At least their version of it. The one americans are always in defense of even while they are getting shafted.

The Banksters call it "capitalism" true capitalist (and Anarchists) call it Corporatism an unholy mix of Corporations and Government characterized by laws written by corporations FOR corporations and enforced by corporate puppets installed in the government by the Corporate/Government Revolving Door.

True capitalism has been dead for over one hundred years probably MUCH MUCH longer. The Native Americans were probably the last to have real capitalism. It was called barter.

...Archeological evidence suggests that Native Americans traded obsidian from the Pacific coast (where obsidian stores were prolific) to the Atlantic. In British Columbia, modern scientific "finger printing" techniques have dated the trade in obsidian to more than 10,000 years ago...

Such artifacts have been useful tools in tracing ancient trade routes because the specific chemical composition of each piece is unique, enabling archeologists to determine specific origins.... glimmerdream.com...

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by NWOPrimate

 

. so if your government managed it's money better maybe you wouldn't be so opposed to getting free services from your government.

There are NO FREE SERVICES. There is no free lunch. How do you guys not get this???

It is much worse than "No Free Lunch" The problem is the price tag on that "Free Lunch" is ten to one hundred times more once the government get involved and you start paying off every one and his brother including that big slice to the bankers.

For example:
Tax on Pay check => Corporate ACCT=> Corporate bank Acct => IRS => treasury=> federal Bureaucracy => state Bureaucracy => local office => recipient. That is a MINIMUM of seven slices out of that tax dollar BEFORE it gets to the intended recipient and that is WITHOUT the Banks taking a slice for interest on the federal debt.

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Thanks for that very enlightening contribution. Your reply's, and a couple of others, are where I hoped this thread would go. There are some light bulbs going off in my head right. Red Zionist, Rothschilds, global socialism, global elite, creation of the Fed, fiat money///// Hummmmm

star for you

Originally posted by crimvelvet

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by NWOPrimate

 

. so if your government managed it's money better maybe you wouldn't be so opposed to getting free services from your government.

There are NO FREE SERVICES. There is no free lunch. How do you guys not get this???

It is much worse than "No Free Lunch" The problem is the price tag on that "Free Lunch" is ten to one hundred times more once the government get involved and you start paying off every one and his brother including that big slice to the bankers.

For example:
Tax on Pay check => Corporate ACCT=> Corporate bank Acct => IRS => treasury=> federal Bureaucracy => state Bureaucracy => local office => recipient. That is a MINIMUM of seven slices out of that tax dollar BEFORE it gets to the intended recipient and that is WITHOUT the Banks taking a slice for interest on the federal debt.

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I think you are making it too complicated for them to understand. I was trying to simplify it for them.

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You are preaching to the choir then. For some reason I think your ideology is so rigid you are not seeing that I am on the same side of this issue with you.

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Unvarnished
reply to post by nightstalker46

 

If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.

That is the problem. All people are created equal, but not all put out an equal amount of effort. If I work 6 days a week 50-70 hours a week to get the things I want, why should I be forced to donate part of my very life to support those who WILL NOT do the same? If I work all day, and you play video games all day, why should you benefit from my labor?

Last I looked we are doing this already. WTH is welfare? I don't pay then they send a "mobster" to force me to (I have no choice in paying or not, but you can bet your A$$ When I need it they give me ten thousand excuses why I DON'T Qualify, Really it's because I am white and not a minority) pay at gunpoint for some fat Drug addict to sit on their A$$ in the ghetto and take money out of my children's mouths!!!!!They do it already anyway, it isn't socialism that's facism, because they give to these losers because they "were oppressed" Oppressed my big fat Effing A!!! It's facism because they are trying to opress the 99% of whites that don't really have money or power!

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What is REALLY interesting is what is in store once the Elite have collapsed the USA and have their "Global Governance" in Place.

THIS is the REAL face of future "SOCIALISM".

The Real George Bernard Shaw – Fabian Socialist

“Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”

George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470)

“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”

Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296

We see something similar starting to happen in Hungary.

from belsoember post

After 90 days of unemployment insurance, all assistance will come to a screeching halt. If the unemployed person can't find a job during those 90 days, he will have to enroll in public works programs which might be anywhere in the country and work on some large public projects, like building football stadiums or dams and cleaning sewers. The work will be done under police supervision.

SOURCE

It takes a different form in the USA. One in four adults has a criminal record and therefore can not get a decent job. These ends up as a vicious cycle.

The prison industry in the United States: big business or a new form of slavery?


...There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, "no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens." The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world's prison population, but only 5% of the world's people. From less than 300,000 inmates in 1972, the jail population grew to 2 million by the year 2000....

What has happened over the last 10 years? Why are there so many prisoners?

"The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself," says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being "an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps."

CHINA

How China Hides Its Slave Labor From the Free World

WASHINGTON – The biggest cover-up in the long parade of Clinton scandals was probably the sell-out to the communist Chinese. Harry Wu had a front-row seat on that tragedy, from the inside of Chinese labor camps...

,,,Harry Wu saw the Clinton/Beijing relationship from a deeply human perspective: the blue uniforms and shaved heads in Chinese prison camps.

For years, he had been one of the estimated 50 million blue uniformed “troublemakers” who had worked in the camps under totally inhumane conditions. Some of them literally worked themselves to death....

much of China’s forced labor is carefully hidden from the Western World. A 1992 “white paper” issued by the Chinese regime in defense of its labor camps raised more questions than it answered, as far as Wu was concerned.

For example, he asks, “[W]hy do they put phony names on their prison camp factories, as if trying to conceal the profitable use of forced labor?”

At one camp of lost souls hunched over their machines, stripped of their identities (in some cases for decades), the security officer was asked if he could guarantee the quality of his products.

“No problem,” he answered. He then cited an example of a German manufacturer who bought steel pipes from the camps, and labeled them as being made in Germany. So the products were good enough for the Germans. “How about that!” he marveled.

'Getting Wise'

A manager at Shanghai’s Laodong Machinery Plant, where hand tools were made, boasted that because the U.S. Congress had recently made “quite a fuss” about the prison camps, he and his bosses had devised a way to get around the problem.

“We always go through the import-export company,” he said, meaning they set up companies to handle the shipment of goods. That way, as Wu explains it, “nobody quite knows where the goods came from. These guys were getting wise to the ways of the world.”

We will only see the true face of the elites version of "Socialism" when "Global Governance" is complete.

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Yes I do see it, and the same is occurring here. your last sentence is beginning to hint at the truth, but is only a small part of the story. I'll try to simplify ( as if it's possible) what I have learned over the last 35 years of study.
Personal interpretation us I see it:
First, lets just say the world as a whole has been terribly deceived for a long time. A handful of very wealthy European families conspired to create a global economic system that allowed them to skim the cream off almost every financial transaction. In order to expand their reach, they "recruited" other wealthy families in the west. .....

YES YES YES!

That is exactly the same scenario my research paints.

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That's true too. They take our money and siphon it to losers sitting in ghettoes playing PS3 while my children will go without even food, or send it back to the dbags who have enough money anyway. It's disgusting. Till our government stops coddling lowlifes on both ends we should all just stop "Contributing". Seriously!

I more or less agree.

However they have us over a very nasty barrel.


So given we are stuck with a fiat currency and the FED more than doubled the money supply, why hasn't the USA seen hypeinflation??? I finally found a reasonable explanation.

...Given the previous hyperinflation, clearly there was ample reason for currency revulsion. So you can consider this argument a necessary but not sufficient precondition. What makes the universal acceptance stick is that government accepts its own money to expunge liabilities to it. In plain English, fiat money has value because it is the only money you can use to pay taxes. ....The fact that this money is also the medium of exchange only entrenches its use. So the tax liability is a necessary pre-condition for fiat currency to work, something I will return to....

[No wonder Amendment 16 - Status of Income Tax Clarified was Ratified 2/3/1913, a few months before the Federal Reserve Act. cv]


Weimar Germany 1919-1923

The key to Weimar's hyperinflation was two-fold.

1. The German government had a large foreign currency debt obligation.
2. The German economy lost huge amounts of productive capacity causing prices to soar as demand outstripped supply....


Zimbabwe

While the facts in Zimbabwe are different, the underlying causes for hyperinflation were the same: foreign currency obligations and a loss of productive capacity.

Zimbabwe had established Independence from Britain in 1980. Yet, by the late 1990s 70% of productive arable land was still held by the small minority 1% of white farmers in the country. After years of talk about redistribution, in 2000, the President Robert Mugabe began to redistribute this land.

The redistribution process was a disaster, .... With agricultural production having plummeted, Zimbabwe was forced to pay to import food in hard currency.

Meanwhile, the government turned to the printing presses to fulfil its domestic obligations. as in Germany, the foreign currency obligations, the loss of productive capacity and the money printing was a toxic brew which ended in hyperinflation.

Hyperinflation in the USA, May 2010

As you can see from the two most severe cases of hyperinflation, the problem in each case was a loss of productive capacity, foreign currency liabilities, and a loss of the ability to tax....

In the German example, the Germans had a huge foreign currency liability that it had to pay, meaning it could not make good on the liability by printing money. It was a currency user as far as these liabilities went. Meanwhile, with productive capacity limited, the government was then unable to ease price pressure through the tax lever. The shortage of goods drove up prices inexorably and the government was forced to turn to the printing press in order to meet its domestic obligations.

In the Zimbabwe example, taxes were again central. Unable to recoup enough tax revenue and with large foreign currency obligations and a loss of productive capacity, the government resorted to printing money in an environment where prices were rising.

So, hyperinflation has very specific preconditions that are not apparent in the U.S..

1. No foreign currency liability: The U.S. dollar is the world's reserve currency so the U.S. can pay for trade goods in U.S. dollars.. The U.S. does not have a peg to gold or some other currency which acts as a de facto foreign currency liability. And the U.S. government has substantially no foreign currency liabilities. All of the debt is issued in domestic currency.

2. Price pressures are still anchored: While commodity prices are rising, they are rising in all currencies, not just in USD. Moreover, their rise will create demand destruction before any hyperinflation could occur. Why? Unemployment is high and capacity utilization is low, meaning there are no inflationary pressures on that front to help push inflation higher before demand destruction sets in.

3. Currency revulsion has not set in: Tax compliance is high in the U.S. We are not talking about Russia, Greece or Argentina where government has had a difficult time in raising tax. Moreover, as the USD is still the world's reserve currency, there has been no freefall sell off of dollars, nor do I anticipate any in the near-to-medium term.

In short, there will be no hyperinflation in the U.S. any time soon.... www.creditwritedowns.com...

The article states tax compliance is high in the U.S yet the Grace Commission Report to the President (1984) states"...one-third of all their taxes escapes collection from others as the underground economy blossoms in direct proportion to tax increases and places even more pressure on law abiding taxpayers, promoting still more underground economy-a vicious cycle that must be broken...." Now we have a 20% unemployment rate and the retiring of the baby boomers as well as a federal debt increase from fiscal 1983 deficit of $195 billion to over $14 TRILLION (Interestingly the report projected $13 trillion by the year 2000)

What you are talking about is tax "Compliance" Remember 50% of the US GNP is from small business. This does not include the "Underground economy"


Second:

Other countries are not happy with the situation. The Russians, China and others are calling for a different world reserve currency than the dollar.

The OPEC oil countries are moving to the Euro instead of the US dollar, that is the real reason for the heating up of the middle east. The Real But Unspoken Reasons For The Iraq War

The shocking admission Ft Knox holds very little good delivery gold was made to Mr. Durell by the chief official of the General Accounting Office (GAO). This happened a few months after the September 1974 tour.

www.lewrockwell.com...

WHO owns the gold still in Ft Knox??? Seems 66% of Germany's gold (3,400 tons???) resides in fort Knox!

Jim Rickards lays out a plan to commandeer Germany’s and all foreign depositors of sovereign gold at the New York Fed as currency wars heat up... maxkeiser.com...

Also China is amassing gold:

The Wall Street Journal reports Friday that gold prices are soaring to record highs as a new powerful factor has emerged as a driver of that rally — China.

According to the Journal, China is now buying huge amounts of gold ...
key data released by China’s state-run Xinhua news agency showing that China imported 209.7 metric tons of gold in the first 10 months of this year. That’s a five hundred percent increase compared to the same period in 2009... www.moneynews.com...

Jun 18, 2010 ... As the world's largest producer of the metal, China often buys gold from its own mines and doesn't report those sales publicly... www.businessinsider.com...

The People's Bank of China(PBOC) recommended yesterday that 1 billion Chinese consider buying gold as a hedge against inflation ; blogs.forbes.com...

With S&P down grading the US government bond ratings China and Russia are again calling for the US dollar to be removed from "World Reserve Currency" status.

Under these conditions we may be looking at hyper inflation down the road.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Socialism and Communism are both antithetical to freedom. Both involve using force to take the fruits of your labor to give to others without compensation. That is also known as slavery.

And how does that differ from the slavery of unbridled capitalism???

After all ther has been plenty of REAL slavery under capitalism - and the drive for lower wages/reducing the "rights of workers" is still well with us - eg Wisconsin recently....

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Although, I do think some forms of socialism can be acceptable in our society. The distinction should be about where that money comes from....

I have no problem with "Charity" or promoting education. But I think it should be kept as "Voluntary" as possible and as Local as possible. Only in that way can people keep the corruption to a minimum.

Katrina showed that people will rally to support those in need. It also showed the US government was more interested in CYA and POWER plays than helping people. As a result people DIED!

FEMA - THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA

In news coverage of this tragedy, the most significant events often were buried beneath a blanket of heart-wrenching stories of personal survival, scenes of awesome destruction, reports of looting, and interviews with experts. However, the key to understanding can be found in the following list of news headlines, most of which did not make it into mainstream coverage. These reports make it clear that the government did not fail to respond in a timely fashion. The problem was that it did respond - but in such a way as to actually hinder rescue operations. There were too many instances for this to be merely a mistake or a bureaucratic snafu. There is a clear pattern here that cannot be denied....

[list of stories cached]

The only legitimate function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens. In New Orleans, however, it was clear that the primary job of the military, FEMA, and Homeland Security was, not to protect citizens, but to protect the government and keep it functioning

It was clear from the start that the goal of FEMA and Homeland Security was, not to resue people, but to control them. Their directive was to relocate families and businesses, confiscate property, commandeer goods, direct labor and services, and establish martial law. This is what they have been trained to do. The reason they failed to carry out an effective rescue operation is that this was not their primary mission, and the reason they blocked others from doing so is that any operations not controlled by the central authority are contrary to their directives. Their objective was to bring the entire area under the control of the federal government - and this they succeeded in doing very well....

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I think you are making it too complicated for them to understand. I was trying to simplify it for them....

MMmmph, snort....
ROTFLMAO...
That was nasty...

Originally posted by daddio

Originally posted by nightstalker46
Considering that all three philosophies, as forms of governance, are contrary to the basic intent of personal freedoms, liberties and sovereignty of the individual, as established by the Constitution: Why do we allow anyone, who professes or proselytizes those belief's, to become involved in government at any level. And why should those who openly advocate the overthrow of those Constitutional principals, not be charged and prosecuted as traitors. What greater threat to liberty than that from within. This should be interesting

First off, the Constitution is a corporate contract, that's it, the Decleration of Independence is the REAL document we should be professing here!! Second, this country is and has been, since Lincoln, a Socialist Democracy!! Yes, the civil war was not about being civil, it was about installing a socialist regime and keeping it going, the 13th Amendment is the slavery amendment, and NOT the anti-slavery amendment. The original 13th Amendment was removed and replaced. People need to do some homework and pull their heads out of their butts!!!!!

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For the second time on this thread i will repeat that I am perfectly aware of Corp US, and have given links for those who are not aware of it. Agree, we should be following the Declaration of Independence.principals.
But we are not, nor ever were, a Socialist Democracy. We were a Representative Republic.
You are absolutely wrong about the civil war, however. The over riding issue that led up to the war was a States rights matter, resting solely on the "original" constitution wording that "all other powers, not specifically granted to the Fed.gov, by the constitution, shall be reserved to the states", The 13th amendment changed with the incorporation of Corp US.
There were literally years of heated arguments over states rights, prior to secession. From your statement then ,we can assume the push for socialism (socialist democracy) cost 4.5 million American lives. So much for socialism. You just made my point. Who's head is where??

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

And how does that differ from the slavery of unbridled capitalism???

After all ther has been plenty of REAL slavery under capitalism - and the drive for lower wages/reducing the "rights of workers" is still well with us - eg Wisconsin recently....

Again you are mistaking "Corporatism" for Capitalism.

Here is the difference:

...the Institute for Justice released a series of studies documenting government-imposed barriers to entrepreneurship in eight cities....

When governments actually get rid of barriers to entrepreneurship, new businesses open almost immediately. Indeed, removing even a single law can unleash entrepreneurial energy and create hundreds of jobs. Mississippi finally got rid of its requirement that African hair braiders get government-issued cosmetology licenses to practice or teach. The result? A single entrepreneur — Melony Armstrong — trained dozens of women to braid hair and open their own businesses

..... www.usatoday.com...

If you get all the barriers out of the way then there is no reason for anyone to work for a large corporation unless they WANT to! You are free to do what I did. Flip them a digit and start your OWN business. OR you can get together with your buddies and start a business like my neighbors did.

The SLAVERY is from government/corporate collusion that places major hurtles in place and prevents the ordinary person from working for themselves.

...

Along the way, the dreams of individuals are repeatedly crushed:

•In Chicago, Esmeralda Rodriguez tried to open a children's play center, paying rent month after month while she waited in vain for the government permits she needed to open her business. After a full year of bureaucratic red tape, she finally exhausted her life savings and closed down for good....

Time and again, these reports document how local bureaucrats believe they should dictate every aspect of a person's small business. They want to choose who can go into which business, where, what the business should look like, and what signs will be put in the windows. And if that means that businesses fail, or never open, or can operate only illegally, or waste all their money trying to get permits so they have nothing left for actual operations, that's just too bad....

CORPORATISM CRUSHES DREAMS, Capitalism allows you to realize your dreams.

The corollary is if people are free to start their OWN business wages must be high and people have a lot more choice as to who they want to work for and IF they wish to work for someone.

"' The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership." V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian Revolution

The Elite took this to heart and intentionally destroyed rural America after WWII with the intention of driving the independent farmers into the cities to form a large labor pool for their factories. link They did the same thing in Mexico in the last decades, wiping out 75% of Mexico's farmers and again flooding the cities with the unemployed looking for work. link