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From Nomads to Highly Advanced Sumer???--The Textbooks are Wrong.

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posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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In school I was taught that the first humans developed in what is now called the “cradle of life,” near the horn of Africa. However, how could these humans have survived in nomadic tribes, supposedly roaming the world, until they came together in next door Sumer (Iraq)? This puzzled me. So, I began to put together pieces from my previous research and realized that there must have been multiple civilizations all springing up at the same time.

These civilizations included the Sumerian's in ancient Iraq, the ancient Egyptians, the ancient Mayans, possibly some ancient Asian race, and the ancient Native Americans (who's origins are still unknown and shrouded in mystery to be discussed in a later post).

The ancient humans were all ruled by different “Gods” and the pharaohs who spoke to the Gods. Most researchers claim that the Gods of these civilizations were all the same. Science apparently siding with religion that there is one omnipotent god. Is this the echoing voice of the powers of the Catholic Church to protect their identity?

Obviously if more people looked at the differences of the ancients and their belief system people will find differences in their Gods. The Catholic Church apparently wants people to forget that the there ever was a belief of multiple Gods. Even going so far as to say it is evil to believe in more than one God and making it their first rule. Rules which cannot be broken. “I shall have no other Gods besides me.” States the first commandment.

And what of this statement in the Bible, “Gods walked with the men in those times and slept with the women of Earth.” Could it be taken as literal fact?

As I dig deeper to find the truth I am a firm believer that the Gods were alien and they came here for a number of reasons which you can find on this forum. Consider the following questions about ancient advanced technology and knowledge that modern science will say just appeared.

Transportation was also prevalent in these times. Whenever the Gods wanted to talk the people of the world they, “came to them in a vision.” Is this vision some sort of transportation technology through the mind? Or is it a simply a holographic projection of the God giving orders to the human. If you were to see a 3D movie without knowing what it was, or seeing one before wouldn't you best describe it as a vision?

Other evidence that links to Sumer as not being the first civilization lies in the fact that the Sumerian's created the first language out of thin air. They were so intrigued by this language and the writing on the tablets that they recorded everything that they did. There are over 500,000 Sumerian Tablet recordings. A simple concept of the computer hard drive! This evidence suggests that the Sumerian's didn't invent it but learned it and took it for themselves. Who they learned it from remains undiscovered.

Farming also appeared out of nowhere and soon the Sumerian land flourished like never before and since! Remember that Sumer is present day Iraq. Many people including the authors of the Left Behind Series believe that the problem with the present day middle east lies within the limited control of resources and the leaders' greed. In the left behind series a botanist creates a formula that turns sand into grass and brings about peace in the region. How did the Sumerian's learn of the powers of botany to turn sand into the “cradle of life?” If they didn't have help, what else could the answer be?

Besides for farming, Sumerian's suddenly became aware of astronomy, engineering, and mathematics. Other ancient cultures were aware of these topics as well which creates some scientific and religious confusion.

It seems that suddenly humans had a huge database in which to take information and use it as they pleased to help their societies. Is this an ancient version of the world wide web controlled by the aliens and protected by the pharaohs? It is becoming clearer that ancient societies had technology that is only beginning to be available again today!




posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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You might be interested in reading more on the Levant and the civilizations that existed there before Sumer (en.wikipedia.org...) among many others.

Archaeologists have a lot of information and evidence about humans living together in groups for the past 2+ million years (Australopithecus and all the variants including ancient homo sapiens and modern homo sapiens.) Forgive me being brief since I'm in a hurry. I hope others will post links to the stories about the flooded areas between France and Great Britain and so forth.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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The reason I link to Sumer is because they are the first 'advanced' civilization to get out of the nomadic state. We don't know too much about the other cultures before Sumer. What they were really like or how they were able to build their cities when they were supposedly stupid caveman. There is a lot of holes and the Ancient Alien Hypothesis fills in some holes.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Awesome link!!!
I read that whole entry!!
Very interesting matter, that relates to this post!



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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The reason I link to Sumer is because they are the first 'advanced' civilization to get out of the nomadic state. We don't know too much about the other cultures before Sumer. What they were really like or how they were able to build their cities when they were supposedly stupid caveman. There is a lot of holes and the Ancient Alien Hypothesis fills in some holes.


It really explains quite a bit more than most people are willing to admit. However, what are the chances we will even know unless the"Aliens" come back? It is a certainty that TPTB would never tell us even if they did find an ancient library with all the secrets of the ages contained within. Corporations would patent it, governments would classify it, and religions would deny it. Such is the world in which we live...



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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There is a history before the history we are aware of...

I'm putting the finishing touches on a thread that may be of interest to you. Which should be out in a couple of more days.


Stay tuned.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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I get chill bumps of excitement every time I read something such as the Gobekli Tepe article. Just another big piece of the puzzle. It gives me hope that we will ultimately piece together the truth of our origins rather than wallow in the tripe given out for us to digest.

I love threads like this. BT



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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I've always thought the textbooks are wrong and the reason or reasons for this charade I suspect are several.

The account of the great flood is known pretty much around the world. What interests me most is the story of the ark simply because it tells of collecting up basically a number of manki, animals and infers that they took on enough plant material to feed the arks contents and, if taking man and animals plants would be necessary as well to start over again.

No ignorant or unsophisticated people put that story together. People never think of the simpl size of such a project, logistics, design, resources catching the animals etc needed to create an ark. Even if the individuals concerned were alien scientists and the ark consisted of dna only, its still a huge undertaking.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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I've always thought the textbooks are wrong and the reason or reasons for this charade I suspect are several.

The account of the great flood is known pretty much around the world. What interests me most is the story of the ark simply because it tells of collecting up basically a number of manki, animals and infers that they took on enough plant material to feed the arks contents and, if taking man and animals plants would be necessary as well to start over again.

No ignorant or unsophisticated people put that story together. People never think of the simpl size of such a project, logistics, design, resources catching the animals etc needed to create an ark. Even if the individuals concerned were alien scientists and the ark consisted of dna only, its still a huge undertaking.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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The text book have it ALL wrong. There is no evidence of a genetic back-track or anything of that nature. So I would like to address this prominent issue. Ancient Egypt (kemet) is like civilization stacked on civilization stacked on more civilization, each divided by a time where the monuments and temples were not even occupied. Lets not mix them together. They historically just "VANISHED" and a latter nomadic tribe will settle and use the monuments. Just like the Maya and Aztec who reportedly "FOUND" the pyramids and other temples.
I imagine Sumer was a product of the original Egyptians. There is NO evidence to suggest sumer was established, then humanity back tracked to egypt. This is supported by people who have yet to look into the biggest mystery of all. Africa. This connection of philosophy echoes in West Africa, Egypt, Sumer, and some of the original Asian civilizations found in Cambodia, Thailand, and in polynesia. The philosophy echoes in these civilizations but the source of the sound is found in Ethiopia. The cradle and parent of humanity and civilization. Something very significant happened in Ethiopia twice!!!!
Egypt is Ethiopia's second child in terms of philosophy, architecture and housing 'sacred science'. The first child is still a mystery and is an 'unnamed' civilization that was brought forth by the "nubians". Research the unnamed, and hidden history between Egypt and Ethiopia.


It seems that suddenly humans had a huge database in which to take information and use it as they pleased to help their societies. Is this an ancient version of the world wide web controlled by the aliens and protected by the pharaohs? It is becoming clearer that ancient societies had technology that is only beginning to be available again today!

I agree. The ancient societies lived in harmony with the universe. We are developing technologies that are equivalent, but we are not equal because we lack a sense of harmony and reciprocity. I would like to assume they used nature as an interface for the rest of the universe. They did not need anything external.




There is a history before the history we are aware of...

This is the greatest quote ever. People have not a clue.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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i thought it is quite a fact now that the origins of native americans are to found in what today is called siberia, from where they migrated over the bering strait when it was still a land bridge. www.crystalinks.com...
www.cyberwest.com...
these are only two links of many many on this topic

i was also under the impression that sumer came up with the first writing system, not the first language. although it seems the babylonians (successors of the sumerians) made a big mess of languages with their ‘tower of babel’.

also i believe farming started way earlier than sumerian civilisation. a very simple search will give you heaps of evidence for this. e.g.
en.wikipedia.org...



approximate centres of origin of agriculture and its spread in prehistory:
eastern USA (4000–3000 BP),
Central Mexico (5000–4000 BP),
Northern South America (5000–4000 BP),
sub-Saharan Africa (5000–4000 BP, exact location unknown),
the Fertile Crescent (11000 BP),
the Yangtze and Yellow River basins (9000 BP) and
the New Guinea Highlands (9000–6000 BP).[4]

the appearance of the sumerian civilisation is a for sure very extravagant and still leaves us with more questions than answers and with a huge amount of literature to read up on that nearly drowns me. the leads to further understanding never ends!



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Lynda101

The account of the great flood is known pretty much around the world. What interests me most is the story of the ark simply because it tells of collecting up basically a number of manki, animals and infers that they took on enough plant material to feed the arks contents and, if taking man and animals plants would be necessary as well to start over again.


Even if the individuals concerned were alien scientists and the ark consisted of dna only, its still a huge undertaking.


I believe you may be talking about something like this when concerning the Ark.

en.wikipedia.org... A technology rediscovered today and just a couple of years ago.

I believe that the Ark was a DNA bank as a theory suggests, if it existed at all. But there has been evidence found all throughout the world of a global flood at one point in history, perhaps others.

Ignorant indeed are the religious folk! They turn the other cheek when it comes to science and logic.



posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Thanx. Ill look out for it in the recent topics section.

Mind if i put your quote "There is a history before the history we are aware of... " as my signature? lolz.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Mind if i put your quote "There is a history before the history we are aware of... " as my signature? lolz.



Sure.

It's all good.

Thanks for posting this thread. keep up the good work.

As far as Academia's version of events goes. Don't be afraid to kick over chairs and knock over tables when thinking freely outside the box.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
As far as Academia's version of events goes. Don't be afraid to kick over chairs and knock over tables when thinking freely outside the box.


The problem is, my friend, when they start discussing Academia's Version, very often they're not in the same room as Academia's Version. They're in the alley, two streets over, kicking over boxes and knocking over trashcans.

Quite often I see "scientists/archaeologists/etc say..." in front of a statement that you couldn't find ANY real scientist/paleontologist/archaeologist working in the field saying.

I love to see discussions start with "scientists say"and then reflect what the scientists in the discipline really DO say.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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The reason I link to Sumer is because they are the first 'advanced' civilization to get out of the nomadic state. We don't know too much about the other cultures before Sumer. What they were really like or how they were able to build their cities when they were supposedly stupid caveman.

Since in the OP you claimed to have attended school, and specifically an ancient history class, one would hope that, if you ever attend another class, you would actually pay attention in the subsequent one.

No school teaches anything like what you've claimed here.

So, take your earbuds out the next time a teacher is talking and maybe you can learn something, rather than having to fabricate it yourself and claim it as fact.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
There is a lot of holes and the Ancient Alien Hypothesis fills in some holes.

There are a lot of holes. The AAH fills none of them, and goes as far as to create several holes of its own.

Harte
edit on 8/22/2011 by Harte because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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The ancient societies lived in harmony with the universe.


Not really, what they generally lacked was the power to easily destroy nature-but they sure tried! Examples:

The Sumerians, continuing the work of the earlier culture (Ubaidians) whom they conquered or combined with introduced irrigation. Unfortunately placing the ET (Euphrates-Tigris) water onto sediment that already had a high salt content and low rain fall meant that they slowly destroyed the effectiveness of the land to produce crops, large areas of Mesopotamia are still salt wastelands because of this

Domestication, if you go the Middle-East you'll note how little vegetation there is - why? Goats and sheep

The Sumerians are noted for making the full conversion of their hunting tools to man killing weapons and organizing the first sieges and campaigns. The history of Sumeria is one of continual strife and city state warfare

Failure of sanitation by domestication of a number of animals, living in close proximity to them and failing to develop good sanitation the Sumerian began the development of animal-human disease transfer and the first epidemics.

Now were there good things about 'civilization'? Yep



'The ancient societies lived in harmony with the universe.'


Not really, you may find that applies more to nomadic and smaller tribes - but even that is a reflection of the 'Noble savage' concept.



Quite often I see "scientists/archaeologists/etc say..." in front of a statement that you couldn't find ANY real scientist/paleontologist/archaeologist working in the field saying.


That is almost always true - occassionally you can find some whacked out person who might believe it. However the funniest part of all such 'global' statements is the odd belief that 'scientist', 'archaeologist', 'historians' all belong to some mythical monolithic organization where ever thing is 'controlled', needless to say, for those of us who have worked in such worlds - that is not the case.

I will let the incomparable Byrd deal with the concept of 'consensus' as she is closer to the theory and is just coming into the biz....oh and I've taught 'history' in three different countries - guess what, it was different in each one.
edit on 22/8/11 by Hanslune because: Added material



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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The reason I link to Sumer is because they are the first 'advanced' civilization to get out of the nomadic state.


As Byrd has already pointed out that is clearly not true.... Gobekli Tepe in what is now Turkey clearly pre-dates Sumer...


This site is almost 12,000 years old, and pre-dates any civilizations found on earth by several thousand years.




Along with Gobekli Tepe we see Nevali Cori


In terms of absolute dates, 4 radiocarbon dates have been determined for Nevalı Çori. Three are from Stratum II and date it with some certainty to the second half of the 9th millennium BC, which coincides with early dates from Çayönü and with Mureybet IVA and thus supports the relative chronology above. The fourth dates to the 10th millennium


This site again pre-dates Sumer by a considerable number of years.... What Sumer has that makes it different is the written word. Of course we only know that because they wrote so much down on stone tablets, an earlier group of people such as existed at Gobekli Tepe and Nevali Cori might (IMO) still of had the written word but wrote on something perishable..... Certainly it seems to me likely that they did as the buildings they left would of taken organisation and planning and both mathematics and language play their part in communication of ideas



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Lets not forget Catalhuyuk and the settled villages like Jericho that existed well before Sumer. Sumer was the first multi-habitation government/civilization (that we know of) as research continues I suspect we'll find more Gobeki Tepe's, Catahuyuks and Jericho style early settlements.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by VersaWhat Sumer has that makes it different is the written word. Of course we only know that because they wrote so much down on stone tablets,


Clay tablets.

Great post by the way,



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