Originally posted by michael1983l
The scientist in the OP's link is talking absolute nonesense or at least on the fields that I am an expert on, so one can only assume he is talking as much nonsense about the rest. Where he talks about the Ionosphere, well the Ionosphere has 5 layers in the day time and this converges into just 2 layers during hours of darkness. What affects the composition of the Layers is the Sun and the Sun only, as the ionising radiation that the sun discharges then charges our atmosphere. Throwing non-ionising radiation at it i.e. Microwaves will make no difference at all, to heat up any large area of atmosphere using Radio Frequency would take more power than we could ever produce because Atenuation of Radio Waves is pretty high through earths atmosphere.As a rough guide to send a microwave signal 1 mile you would transmit say 40 Watts and receive millie or micro watts. You cannot influence the Ionosphere with non Ionising radiation as all that does is excite particles, the Ionosphere is named that for a reason IONosphere as in Ionised radiation charge.
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by jinni73
I do not know exactly what HAARP is but what this "scientist" described HAARP could not do what he is suggesting. Firstly he claims that the Aerial is 3km x 3km that is 9 km of Antenna, I'm sure anybody could see that from space using google earth should it exist. The Ionosphere reacts to Ionised Radiation of which the Sun kicks out, as does stuff like plutonium and uranium. But Microwaves or more precicely Radio Frequency electromagnetic propogated waves are in fact Non Ionising Radiation. This radiation reacts with Atoms by vibrating them, which creates heat rather than loading particles with protons or neutrons like Ionising radiation does.
What I am saying is that the guy isn't talking any logical sense in terms of basic physics therefore how can he possibly be some kind of expert with the knowledge he claims to posses. I think he is just a paranoid old man who has read lots of science fiction and forums like this and has made his own little world up.
edit on 20-8-2011 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)
Nature has a good article about the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), an ionospheric heater that became fully operational last July.
The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) has been entwined with controversy since its birth. Originally envisioned as a way to facilitate communications with nuclear-armed submarines, HAARP took almost two decades to build and has incurred around US$250 million in construction and operating costs. It consists of 360 radio transmitters and 180 antennas, and covers some 14 hectares near the town of Gakona about 250 kilometres northeast of Anchorage.
With 3.6 megawatts of power at its command, HAARP is the most powerful ionospheric heater in the world. At its heart is a phased-array radar that emits radio waves that are partially absorbed between 100 kilometres and 350 kilometres in altitude, accelerating electrons there and 'heating' the ionosphere (see graphic, right). In effect, HAARP allows scientists to turn the ionosphere, the uppermost and one of the least understood regions of the atmosphere, into a natural laboratory.
How HAARP works
Eastlund's discovery involved beaming High Frequency (HF) and Extremely High Frequency (EHF) waves, of extremely high power (over a billion watts), directly at a point on the ionosphere. When this was done, the ionosphere became heated from the accumulating electrical energy. You might think of it as "cooking" the atmosphere.
The heated portion of the ionosphere expands like heated plastic and is raised to a higher altitude, causing an atmospheric "bulge." Eastlund discovered that this bulge was highly reflective to radio waves, and, because of its altitude, it could bounce high frequency radio signals to points well beyond the horizon. Even efficient ELF and microwaves signals, which normally would pass through the ionosphere into space, could be deflected without much loss of strength. He called this heated "bulge" the "lens effect."
Eastlund's first patent (US #4,686,605) was for a "method and apparatus for altering a region in the Earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and or magnetosphere." His second patent described the reflection of a second signal, using the ionospheric bulge, to distant locations on the Earth's surface. Eastlund had been working with the Atlantic Richfield Company, holders of a massive reserve of natural gas under Alaska's north slope. ARCO bought Eastlund's first two patents with the understanding that this new technology would make it possible for their natural gas reserves, too expensive to be piped from Alaska, to be converted to electrical energy on the north slope, and then bounced off the heated ionosphere to customers in remote locations around the globe. Also, because Eastlund's "heaters" could elevate the Earth's ionosphere, his discovery provided the ability to control weather! Jet streams could be altered, tornadoes could be zapped and rain could be made-- anywhere and anytime-- right here and right now! But the military had other plans.
Eastlund's patents were sealed under a US Secrecy Order. The military realized that his first patent outlined the recipe for an over-the-horizon radar apparatus, capable of detecting Soviet launched ICBM's within seconds of their launch. His second patent was even more appetizing. President Ronald Regan's infamous Star Wars program had challenged the military with tall order. Their complex laser systems, nuke satellites and rail-guns didn't work. The military were years from meeting Pentagon goals. Now, unexpectedly, their prayers had been answered. Eastlund's "energy transmission system" would be turned into the ultimate "death ray."
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Wertwog
Oh bother indeed, you show me a video on HAARP, ask me to watch it and then completly ignore a fundemental flaw in the video that I point out.
Please can you explain why a HAARP facility would be using a centre tapped half wave omni directional dipole in the VHF/HF region to transmit a directional microwave signal into the atmosphere?
When you can answer that fundemental flaw in the argument YOU have provided in the form of the video you linked then I will start taking you seriously. Until then I can only assume that you have just watched a few videos put together by nobody you know of which you have no idea what their agenda is and you have believed them. Good for you.
Originally posted by GhostR1der
That's just the conventional side of it. The true purpose of haarp and similar arrays is scalar electromagnetic usage, quantum radio waves pretty much.
They don't loose power over distance as they are usually used in a constructive interference pattern that only does work at the designated point. It can also be bottled up to heat an area as a plasma, or used at a frequency that interacts with molecular structures of certain types, e.g. metal or quartz. The possibilities are only limited by creativitiy. Defense of large areas against any projectile weaponry is also possible with this technology. Tests of shields or plasma globes have been seen routinely by pilots around Japan, Russia and spotted by journalists in Afghanistan. Huge, cold, water vapour mushroom clouds have been seen too during sea testing.
Pretty much WW3 occurs every day, just it's silent, oblivious and far more deadly than any nuclear weaponry - it is the fabric of nature itself.