Workers baked alive in bread factory horror

No one coerced or tricked these guys into crawling into a hot oven, they were literally burned alive by their own greed and hubris.

This is another sad story about greed and cost cutting.
My heart goes out to the victims family and loved one's, even after all these years, they will still remember this tragic event as if it happened yesterday.

The time that it takes for the court to hear and then rule in such cases is criminal in itself.
This only make the family suffer more.

This is a story i know all to well.
I spent a good part of my short life working installing metal roofs.
My former employer, a man named David Smith( real name ).
Was a man that loved to cut costs. Especially when it came to saving on materials and safety. I nearly lost my life working for him and his unsafe ways and i have the scars to prove it.

After i finished working for him as he was UNSAFE.
On a job site at Bennetts Green, in Nsw, Australia , 25th of April 2003. Judith Davis, dave's female companion, was on the job site, on the roof, 9.6mtrs off the ground, with no safety gear on. ie without a saftey harness, collecting lunch orders for the workers.
Judith stepped on a polycarbonate sheet and fell through it, on to the SAFETY wire below,
then she fell through that wire, 9.6 metres to her death, just because the SAFETY wire wasn't secured properly to one of two australian saftey standards, as it would have taken longer and cost more money for Dave or his employee's to secure the wire properly.
David was later charged with and then prosectuted for, industrial manslaughter, for the death of Judith.( He should have been charged with more in my opinion.)
Dave was the first person in New South Wales ever to be charged and prosecuted for industrial manslaughter.
He has never served any prison time for his conviction, nore will he. He still works as a roofer today.
The law sucks IMO.

Sorry I cant link to my story , but if anyone can help link please help.
Or just google, Death of Judith Davis Newcastle( australia,) and you will see for yourself what i say is fact, and that these storys are very much related.

Originally posted by Funshinez
No one coerced or tricked these guys into crawling into a hot oven, they were literally burned alive by their own greed and hubris.

You must have been born with a silver spoon up your $%#@ to say that.
You cant be serious can you???????.
Have you ever worked in the real world????
Ever had a loved one or a family to support????
It seems not.
As if you did you would know and under stand that people will do all sorts of things to provide for their loved ones, no matter how dangerous the job.
Greed has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.

Had a pal in a similar situation, he fell into a hot molten chocolate vat, we could not save him, the workers stood around the bubbling vat and sang the well known 70s song 'Billy Don't Be an Aero' I kid you not.

Daz

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The sort of people who trusted their workmates/friends not to put them in harms way.
They were told the oven temp was 40c as this was the reading on the outer edges after cooling for a couple of hours, do you think they would have gone in or have been told to go in if they knew the temp was 100c?.

I think a Darwin award is a little severe for these guys, why don't you keep hold of it just in case you find you need it for yourself.
Make sure you let us know how you die because i will laugh my guts out if its because you jammed an electric toothbrush up your ass and left it charging in the mains.
With any luck now you have read that your "Adventure" fetish will do the rest. lol

No one coerced or tricked these guys into crawling into a hot oven, they were literally burned alive by their own greed and hubris.

Greed? Seriously? Do you think they were being paid a million bucks to fix this oven? They were WORKING. Something perhaps you are not familiar with, if you can honestly say someone doing a job is being greedy.

As far as current safety goes, at least for larger corporations, it's a very big thing. They harp on it in fact, to the point of being annoying, which perhaps is a good thing. Some professions are just dangerous, not much you can do about it.

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"Greed and Hubris" Those a re traits not normally found in your typical ill do anything for my family workaday guy.
These guys died because they needed the money, that isnt greed, greed is taking more when you already have enough, bet these guys had kids and a mortgage, a shi*ty bakery job that would pay minimum wage is not a lot of money.

Why do you find it so easy to cast aspersions on another person you have never met based on the little that you know?. dont you think you should show a little temerity?.
I could say your an unfeeling moron with little real sense, but i wont call you that as i don't know if it is true or not, based on the one article i just read about you, even though it is in your own words and probably a very honest representation of what you really are..
That is unfair and i do not know if it is entirely true, or, what your motivations are behind it, in the same way you know very little other than the blanks you have filled in to jump to your conclusions about those two guys.

OMG how horrible! What an unthinkable tragedy...I feel for their families. It is one thing to die of natural causes or something like that but to know that a loved one had such a tragic painful death is just crushing on a daily basis.

In other news, a ship has sunk on it's maiden voyage in the North Atlantic.

RMS Titanic, an Olympic class liner, struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic shortly after 2am this morning. Initial reports suggest everyone has been saved.

It's sure been a bad 24 hours for breaking news.

reply to post by The X

I put the blame on the managers because it's their responsibility to ensure safety. But the workers aren't blameless. One of them wanted to get home early for the soccer game. And Mayes, the other worker that died, said the day before that he had a challenge and it was good money. I think they were coerced into doing it by management.

It was $1100 every hour the machine wasn't running. Someone was greedy. They only let it cool 2 hours when it needed 12. That saved them $11,000. Some of that was bribery money.

But they underestimated the danger. Gambled, and lost.

I think that managers get caught up in the numbers (the money) and fail to recognize the risks they're taking. They fail to see that they're putting everybody on that shift in harms way.

Anybody who has worked more than a coulpe hours in our country knows how thigns can get out of hand. I've seen it before. I've seen how management skip things to save a few bucks. It might be a bag that's too small and thus doesn't keep the product clean. It might be machines that're 30 years old and should have been replaced 10 years ago, thus putting into question the risks in using them. I've seen how workers will hide things as well (cover for each other) so that supervisors don't notice. Greed and impatience and seniority are a common denominator.

Not to mention the things they do to workers that they don't ever pay for. I'm referring to many job sites that do not supply health insurance or retirement benefits. Job-related stress injuries that won't appear until old(er) age. The rest of the country ends up footing the bill.

Ever wondered who pays for the health insurance of all those people that eat fast food? In fact, poor populations tend to eat less nutritious diets and be more overweight. A lot of them can't afford decent health insurance. They get it when they're older: medicare.

Healthcare costs are immense yet the people least likely to afford are the most likely to need.

There're lots of things. There're a million excuses for it...

Originally posted by research100
horrible, reminded me of this story I saw recently in the paper.... www.dailymail.co.uk...

these types of stories of what nightmares are made of

HOLY CRAP that happened where I pretty much live! Lawton is a military town right next to Fort Sill OK..I live on Fort Sill...

I never even heard of this happening....wow...

The story of the OP is also quite horrible.

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i thought this was a joke by your title.....haha....what a crazy story.

weird

I've just realised the title.. "baked alive in a bread factory"..

That's quite in bad taste, seeing as they were actually burnt.

Seriously, HOW could something like this happen? How could the employers not have known? Think about it - this just doesn't make any damned sense.........

Originally posted by dazdaz
Had a pal in a similar situation, he fell into a hot molten chocolate vat, we could not save him, the workers stood around the bubbling vat and sang the well known 70s song 'Billy Don't Be an Aero' I kid you not.

Daz

W...T...F!?

reply to post by EvolEric


If we added a pinch of socialism, we'd see this less often.

No pure system can work without unneeded death like this

reply to post by dazdaz


I can't believe that.

Sorry, just can't.

reply to post by EvolEric


212 degrees oh my. 104 degrees. Too engage in strenuous work even at 104 degrees in a enclosed room should not be asked of from anyone. If you were even asked that you can simple state a work labor law like a tea partyer would, and in the end be treated like gold.

Originally posted by EvolEric

Workers baked alive in bread factory horror

www.dailymail.co.uk

Two bakery workers died in agony after bosses sent them into a giant oven to carry out repairs on the cheap, a court heard yesterday.

The machine should have been allowed to cool for 12 hours, but was only left for two.

David Mayes and Ian Erickson were unaware of the full danger as they crawled into the oven because fans had cooled its outer reaches to 40c. Its core, however, was still at 100c.

The repair was a delicate procedure in which they had to collect broken parts from along the length of a conveyor belt which carries bread trays slowly through the 75ft-long oven

(visit the link for the full news article)

The UK should think about bringing back the death penalty. I am honestly horrified and feel like vomiting after reading that news article. I don't know how those managers are living with themselves. If I did that to another human being I would need to be institutionalized. There should be a law preventing sociopaths from holding management level positions.

Either way sickening.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by EvolEric

 

If we added a pinch of socialism, we'd see this less often.

No pure system can work without unneeded death like this

Lol no. Accidents still would happen.

reply to post by 547000


Accidents always happen. But this accident was because of money. A little care and less machine-mind would have solved that.