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Originally posted by IsaacKoi
At some point I may try to get hold of documentation relating to the relevant legal battle. I've only read summaries in various UFO books and much prefer to read the primary source material myself rather than rely upon accounts by other people.
I think I've seen some images of pages from those proceedings in a book or online. If you happen to have seen such an image (particularly any with the formal case name, court and reference numbers), perhaps you could post a link/reference in this thread or send me a U2U? That would be a useful short-cut for when I get around to seeking copies of relevant documents relating to those proceedings (which is nowhere near the top of my to-do list...).
By the way, this case was discussed in about 68 of the books I read as part of a project I carried out a few years ago involving reading about 1,000 UFO/SETI books. I've uploaded the relevant list of references into a table at the link below (which can be sorted by author, date and length of discussion):
All the best,
Originally posted by Dalbeck
reply to post by IsaacKoi
Maybe this document could be interesting: www.cufon.org/cufon/cashlanL.pdf
Originally posted by dpd11
I will say that by no means do I think my ideas are absolutely a done deal, 100% for sure happened. It would be nice to go back in time and stand on the side of the road a half hour before this happened. Part of me thinks you'd see something amazing. Part of me thinks you'd see nothing. But either way, anything now is just guessing.
My thinking was that the best chance for creating most of the conditions of what they thought they saw, would be a helicopter actually hung in the wires. I think this is a possibility with the H-6, as it is fairly light, and if you stood it on end, it would look somewhat like a pyramid.
The tail could break off, and the exhaust port does come out the back. It's a turbine engine. So turn that so it's hanging with that down... and under certain conditions, you could have somewhat of a flame if the engine had not spun down... or the arc itself could be grounding and look like a flame. The chance of it getting hung that way? Obviously low. But not impossible. If they were flying slow enough, it could. The faster they go, the less likely. But when you are doing a mission with multiple sections, you have what's called a ladder that you follow. Your position in the ladder is specifically timed. So you control your speed based on how close you are to your pre-planed time along various waypoints, which would mean you may sometimes go quite slow. The one known accident involving power lines while training like this, around the same time... was an H-6. But they did not get hung up.
Also... Keep in mind that the cop claimed he saw helos, but not this alleged object with them. I think there's a possibility that the helicopters may not have been directly involved at all. Perhaps something happening with the power lines alone, that caused the injuries, and the helicopters just happen to be coming through and came over to investigate... perhaps thinking that another one of their flight or another aircraft HAD hit the lines. What would actually cause the malfunctioning lines or what the object they claim to have seen could be, I do not know. But the intent of the helicopters to me, one way or another... seems most likely to be the scenario I described in terms of the training route and flight package sections.
A Dayton, Texas, oilfield worker Jerry McDonald saw a large UFO fly directly overhead while he was in his back garden. He thought it might be a blimp at first, but soon knew it was something more sinister. "It was kind of diamond shaped and had two twin torches that were shooting brilliant blue flames out the back", he said. He saw that it had two bright lights on it and a red light in the center.
I have found info claiming that this could have been done off ships, just off shore during this time, for this training... but I have not found proof.
A few years ago, I was told that the two women (and Landrum’s seven-year-old grandson, who was also in the car that night) had actually seen a test of an atomic-powered aircraft that had run into trouble on a test flight. The pilots (there were two) had lost their video monitors, which was apparently the only way they had of seeing where they were going. The system was required to keep the occupants safe from the radiation generated by the craft. Of course, government agents can tell us anything they want–off the record. This also begs the question of just what was keeping the craft airborne when the rocket motor was shut off. Zamora reported the flame jetting out from the bottom of the object as bluish, with an orange border. This compares favorably with observations of burning rocket fuel, whether it be liquid hydrogen, kerosene, or hydrazine, all of which were operational in the mid 1960s. Regarding the Texas case, some atomic rockets work by pumping liquid hydrogen through a small nuclear reactor, and of course produces an exhaust plume. This process creates radionuclides, which emit ionizing radiation.
People keep bringing up the women's description of the events. What it comes down to is... how much credibility are you going to assign them. I don't think I'm really picking and choosing what to believe. I'm highly skeptical about the accuracy of everything they say they saw. I'm just trying to filter the bits that make the least sense, and have the least chance of being correct. Like I've said... Read that transcript word for word.
One time the women said that when they ran into the Air Guard guy, he said that he had been out flying that night. Another time they claimed he said that he hadn't. So which version of this stuff do you believe?