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And the scales fell from their eyes: Recognizing the failure of the "Affirmative Action President"

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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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I was a member of the Tea Party in my town, at the time I voted FOR Obama.

I have to admit there is a certain contingency of Obama haters, with their own agenda, but they are a small contingency. The mainstream dislike for Obama is based upon failed campaign promises, and lack of leadership.

I wanted Obama to "reform" healthcare like he promised, but I didn't want several thousand pages of Healthcare bill to get pushed through without reading. I wanted Obama to stand fast on the need for letting tax loopholes expire, but he caved in to Republicans. I wanted Obama to extend Constitutional Rights to what we call "enemy combatants" but he didn't do it, and he didn't close Gitmo.

I am a strict Conservative, and some of Obama's campaign promises fell right into the things I feel are important. Obama even supported de-criminalizing MJ, but he quickly reversed his stance after election.

Sorry, but the small contingency of racists are not even worth discussing, because they are offset by the other contingency that only voted for him because of his race. Those factions neutralize one another, and he is left to be judged on his policies and actions, and it isn't looking to good!




posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


I was a member of the Tea Party in my town, at the time I voted FOR Obama.

I have to admit there is a certain contingency of Obama haters, with their own agenda, but they are a small contingency. The mainstream dislike for Obama is based upon failed campaign promises, and lack of leadership.

I wanted Obama to "reform" healthcare like he promised, but I didn't want several thousand pages of Healthcare bill to get pushed through without reading. I wanted Obama to stand fast on the need for letting tax loopholes expire, but he caved in to Republicans. I wanted Obama to extend Constitutional Rights to what we call "enemy combatants" but he didn't do it, and he didn't close Gitmo.

I am a strict Conservative, and some of Obama's campaign promises fell right into the things I feel are important. Obama even supported de-criminalizing MJ, but he quickly reversed his stance after election.

Sorry, but the small contingency of racists are not even worth discussing, because they are offset by the other contingency that only voted for him because of his race. Those factions neutralize one another, and he is left to be judged on his policies and actions, and it isn't looking to good!




I can't fathom how a member of the Tea Party voted for Obama, but I don't know everything! Is it the reason why you're no longer a member of the TP, they found out you voted for Obama?

I'm glad you admit there is a certain percentage of American's who hate Obama for their own personal reasons, though I would disagree that it is a small percentage.

The mainstream such as myself, and according to you, yourself dislike Obama because he has folded like a lawn chair. It would more accurately be termed disappointment. The majority are not suffering from this, because you do not attack someone the way he's being attacked when you are disappointed.

The attacks he's enduring are PURE hatred attacks...people who wouldn't like him even if he brought every job back to America. They would find something wrong with that.

Someone disappointed, and having a brain, would also first rationalize WHY he hasn't followed up on his promises. Were there obstacles that he just couldn't navigate? Well it doesn't take a genius to recognize the obstacle Obama had (the Right). They fought him tooth and nail like they haven't fought ANY OTHER President! They fought like their lives depended upon them not working him! And it can't be explained away, especially when many of his policies fall right in line with Republican stances.

Obama is either a Republican who ran as a Democrat, or he has been cloned and that's not Obama. How else can someone do a 180 from what they ran on. It's more than him being just a liar! Why would he go from decriminalizing marijuana to not doing so?

Obama not doing many of the things he ran on informs me that either it's as some conspiracists say, he's been shown the JFK film, he's been cloned, or he was always a Republican.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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I think this is all a ploy. The idea that Obama is a failure is meant as a cover for the failure of his policies and the economy. If it all falls apart because he increased the debt by trillions in just 3 years by increasing spending in the face of recession and depression and doing nothing to address the underlying problem of loss of industry and manufacturing in the United States, trade imbalances, and government interference and loss of market and consumer confidence then it must be the "larger forces" at work like the Tea Party.

Give me a break. He is a failure not because he isn't too progressive. If he were more progressive he would be even more a failure than he is. He is a failure because he is unfit for the position and his ideas and policies have been proven to be failures throughout history. He is the worst possible person to have in a leadership position at this point and time.

He is black though, so there's that.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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NO, I am still an active member of my Tea Party. Believe it or not, there was not a lot of support for McCain/Palin. Actually, my Tea Party turned down an opportunity to have Palin speak here! Don't believe all the hype on television, the so-called "Tea Party caucus" and the "Tea Party Express" are far, far from the truth of the little Tea Party movements scattered across the country.

Some of the real-deal members are Marco Rubio, and Ron Paul, but those guys don't even affiliate with the so-called Caucus. About half of the Tea Party supported Congress folks, have not followed through on their campaign promises, and they will be getting voted out in 2012!

Our Tea Party has a majority of Republicans, but it also has a decent smattering of Democrats, and quite a few Libertarians and other 3rd Parties.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by The Sword
The "affirmative action" President?

And 6 flags?

Never has blatant racism been allowed to run amok on ATS than it is doing right at this moment.

You sir, are a blight on humanity.


Agreed. I've lurked a long time at this site, but the rise in racist rhetoric is an absolute disgrace.

The president is not a failure because of his skin color, he's a failure because he's a lying, stammering jackass that is in the backpocket of the elites. You have people on here, most of whom I notice are tea partiers, who have no problem with spewing ignorant, racially charged comments when this is about class warfare, not about race.

It has nothing to do with him being black, or 'leftist'. His actions in office have been center-right starting from the moment he bailed out banks and businesses that he had no business bailing out.

My anger is pointed towards the ones who run the media, the banks, the healthcare industry, the MIC, and their puppets in DC. Their skin color has nothing to do with it. Some of you can learn a thing or two. And the fact that ATS allows this kind of garbage is hilarious...why have "Deny Ignorance" as your slogan when you tolerate racist garbage



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


I was a member of the Tea Party in my town, at the time I voted FOR Obama.

I have to admit there is a certain contingency of Obama haters, with their own agenda, but they are a small contingency. The mainstream dislike for Obama is based upon failed campaign promises, and lack of leadership.



I disagree about there being a 'small' contingency of racist Obama haters, but I agree with your other points and your problems with him, they are the same as mine.

Obama and his ilk need to be removed from office. This country needs a new government, period.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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"Obama is either a Republican who ran as a Democrat, or he has been cloned and that's not Obama. How else can someone do a 180 from what they ran on. It's more than him being just a liar! Why would he go from decriminalizing marijuana to not doing so?"

I have often wondered if Obama was a manchurian candidate from the Republican party. He sure is ruining the Democrats chances of running thing in the near future..and maybe longer.

I know it is not all one mans fault, but he ran for the job, so it is his pony to ride.

Howevah, that thar pony ain't tame....it's a bucker!




posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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IMO President Obama was hand picked to take the fall for what all the other prior administrations created.He's the fall man.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by The Sword
The "affirmative action" President?





The president is not a failure because of his skin color, he's a failure because he's a lying, stammering jackass that is in the backpocket of the elites. You have people on here, most of whom I notice are tea partiers, who have no problem with spewing ignorant, racially charged comments when this is about class warfare, not about race.


Well sir you may be correct in your assumption that this is not racial but in fact class warfare,but to the contrary when you break down the classes and put them into race you will then see the lie they want you to believe.It's not about class it's about race.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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There has been no one on this sight that has criticized this incompetent fool and con man Barack Obama more than I, but the term “Affirmative action president” is racist and insulting because Obama, as sorry as he is as a president, did earn the nomination and election fair and square.

But the simple reality is not that he is incompetent but that he has a character flaw that makes him a weak quisling without courage and a lack of a backbone. Also he lacks the inner passion of his convictions, therefore he compromises and dilutes his ideals and does a disservice to the millions who voted for him based on progressive issues.

Often strength comes with convictions and a wise man knows when to compromise and when to stand by ones convictions, Obama lacks the wisdom to determine when to do either. This is a sign of immaturity and again—a flaw in his character.

Though for the right-wing side of the political spectrum to criticize him is somewhat disingenuous because he has failed as a president from a progressive prospective; indeed the conservatives aught to be glad of his flaws.
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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The only thing I realize is that the old, white people who vowed to make him a failure just MIGHT get what they want!


Trust me, he did it all by himself!

You seem to forget that it was "the old white people," i.e., independents, who voted him in, in the first place!

When Obama tried to pass himself of as a new hope for America, them caters to tyrants, gives in to others who despise us, and immediately sets about trying to buy enough loyalty for the next election, it had nothing to do with people working against him. These were all part of the anti-America agenda he grew into and aspires to, which were plain to see if anyone had read his books.

I'll bet that 90% of the people who voted for him had no idea what was in eirther book. They gave him the job because of his profile: pure racism. Don't whine becasue some people aren't afraid to point out the obvious.


That's the main thing that has held Obama back....may as well been a pact between all the racist in positions of power...led by Rush of course. They swore to see him fail even if it destroyed this country.


The only racist(s) in positions of power are those Obama appointed, or who begged at the government trough for other people's money to support their agenda. Nothing held him back from turning his back on our allies, throwing money down the drain to foster more government dependence, give amnesty through executive order rather than allow the people's representatives to decide. He uses execitive agencies to accomplish what the people's representatives do not want. Nothing is holding him back but his own incompetence and narcissism.


To expose this attitude I present one simple thing: If there wasn't some other agenda....the Right would be LOVING him!!


No true conservative would love anyone whose life's goal is to destroy the United States of America. He is socialist at heart, yet has no qualms at fascist use of power to create businesses that depend upon him and our tax dollars. He owns AIG, B of A, GM and CITI and they are all going to hell. Without the unions, whose support he bought with tax dollars, he would be helpless.


He has backed down to their every demand.


When it comes time to act "presidential," show some leadership, or exercise some initiative, "that is above [his] pay grade!" The man is unqualified to lead; that's why he backs down..

Too bad that some still have their heads up his ass, or all of "the old white people" who made the difference in the last election would bail on him, instead of just 80%.

deny ignorance

jw



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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It is about class. A war is being waged against the middle class and poor.

Poverty does not have a skin color. Whites, blacks, hispanics etc are all apart of the welfare system, receive SS, medicare-caid, and are on unemployment. Families that were once middle class are now homeless and that spans across every race.

It won't be until we're all in the same tent city, standing in the same soup line, will the racist garbage stop. It's holding everyone back.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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I'm glad you admit there is a certain percentage of American's who hate Obama for their own personal reasons, though I would disagree that it is a small percentage.


So what? There is a certain percentage of people, not only americans, who hate __(fill in the blank)__ for their own personal reasons. Nothing in that equates to racism, in and of itself.


The mainstream such as myself, and according to you, yourself dislike Obama because he has folded like a lawn chair.


Sorry, the mainstream, center-right Americans dislike Obama because of his actions, policies and intentions. If Hillary Clinton or Harry Reid tried what Obama has, and wants to do, they would be criticized exactly the same.


It would more accurately be termed disappointment.


Those most disappointed are the far-left progressives who bwlieve that Obama has not gone far enough, soon enough, in his "transformation" of the United States into a Euro-style socialist democracy. The are neither "mainstream," nor the majority. They are a tiny proportion, who now feel disenfranchised, and abandoned by "the one" they felt best fit their mold for what America most needed: a dependent electorate; people who can't get by wothout a handout and a help-out from the government.

Your admission is most telling. No one in the center is "disappointed" by this charlatan. Only the left-wing extremists who want America stripped of capitalism at every level feel such angst as you and Maxine Waters.


The majority are not suffering from this, because you do not attack someone the way he's being attacked when you are disappointed.


Again, exactly! Disappointment has nothing to do with it. It is watching America being destroyed from within, such as no "Red Menace" ever could have from afar that motivates the opposition. Do you really contend that Newy Gingrich, John Boehner or Patrick Buchanan are disappointed by Obama? They despise the man's policie and agenda, not the man.

For all I know Barack Obama is a great father, husband and fisherman. I couldn't care less. He is not qualified to lead this country.


The attacks he's enduring are PURE hatred attacks...people who wouldn't like him even if he brought every job back to America. They would find something wrong with that.



B.S. You have no idea, so you make up or project your own suspicions and fears. That is 100% speculation, if not outright libel. In fact, it IS libellous*; for the reasons set forth above.

*A false statement, made knowingly, with intent to harm.


Obama is either a Republican who ran as a Democrat, or he has been cloned and that's not Obama. How else can someone do a 180 from what they ran on. It's more than him being just a liar! Why would he go from decriminalizing marijuana to not doing so?


OK, so you can call him a liar, a clone, a con-man and that is not racist? If I'd put that in the OP you'd have jumped all over it. Hypocrites all; those who disparage the valids criticisms of others, only to whisper the same ones among friends and kindred. This is the calling card of the "progressive," slander, libel and disparagement of character for the opposition; silence for their own.

deny ignorance!

jw



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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The president is not a failure because of his skin color


I quite agree! He's a failure because he is completely unqualified to lead this country and is in over his head.
He is a "tool of the elites" or the "puppet of TPTB" (how mant times have I heard THAT from the left) only because he does not know what to do. His only "dreams" came from his "father," or a viable father-figure, whether Jeremiah Wright (20-year spiritual mentor) or Bill Ayers (political mentor).

I said this before his nomination and I said it before the election: READ HIS BOOKS!


he's a failure because he's a lying, stammering jackass that is in the backpocket of the elites.


See above. Add: Saul Alinsky. Obama has an agenda; he just doesn't know how to achieve it without catering to those he believes can assist him in its realization.


You have people on here, most of whom I notice are tea partiers, who have no problem with spewing ignorant, racially charged comments when this is about class warfare, not about race.


And most of such attacks are those of the extreme left. I can cite facts; other call me names and impugn my character. No one denies what I've said above, factually, is true.

As for class warfare, recall it was Barack Obama's 20-year mentor Jeremiah Wright who sought to eliminate "middleclassness!"


It has nothing to do with him being black


Agreed.

, or 'leftist'


Deniedl see above.


. His actions in office have been center-right starting from the moment he bailed out banks and businesses that he had no business bailing out.


No. Government ownership of the largest insurance company (AIG), commerical bank (B of A), manufacturer (GM) and consumer lender (CITI) are NOT conservative or "center-right" policies! They are borderline fascist, but more importantly, provide control of the means of borrowing and industry such that they become dependent upon government, i.e., taxpayer, largesse. "Stimulus" was not "center-right. It was done over the GOP objections, because, he said, "I won." It bought him millions of government employee union votes, nothing more.


My anger is pointed towards the ones who run the media, the banks, the healthcare industry, the MIC, and their puppets in DC. Their skin color has nothing to do with it.


OK, so you do not like private industry.


Some of you can learn a thing or two.


Can't we all?


And the fact that ATS allows this kind of garbage is hilarious..why have "Deny Ignorance" as your slogan when you tolerate racist garbage.


Funny? Absurd? Unexpected?

Objective criticism of your fallen idol has nothing to do with his race, creed, origin or sexual preference.
Your defense, however, is 100% based upon his color. So, who's the racist?

deny ignorance

jw


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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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the term “Affirmative action president” is racist and insulting because Obama, as sorry as he is as a president, did earn the nomination and election fair and square.


Really? Please point me to your defense of the first "Affirmative Action" president, George W. Bush?
The Affirmative Action President's dilemma(2001)
George W. Bush, the affirmative action president(2003)
Commentary: Affirmative Action President(2003)

OK. So, let's hear your sobs for the discrimination against GWB.

Your feelings are up because of one man's race, but not the other's? You are the racist.

deny ignorance

jw



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
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the term “Affirmative action president” is racist and insulting because Obama, as sorry as he is as a president, did earn the nomination and election fair and square.


Really? Please point me to your defense of the first "Affirmative Action" president, George W. Bush?
The Affirmative Action President's dilemma(2001)
George W. Bush, the affirmative action president(2003)
Commentary: Affirmative Action President(2003)

OK. So, let's hear your sobs for the discrimination against GWB.

Your feelings are up because of one man's race, but not the other's? You are the racist.

deny ignorance

jw



Applause.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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I'm truly heartened by this thread. The only defence by the Obama supporters against the cogent and articulate arguments put forward on this thread, is that of flimsy 'racism'.

It's all they have left (pardon the pun) - and it is so easily demolished as an argument that frankly they are left with nothing at all to defend him with.



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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Great thread and articles posted, jdub...a star for you!

The scales falling from the 'true believers' eyes...I envision them as those wonky, Pepsi logo striped turquiose 'Os' that were everywhere in 08....I take only one exception with your excellent post. The One? Nahhhh. Try 'Duh Won.'

And I think he will resign--with the excuse of 'health concerns.' Every time he is late for an 'Address' to the nation, I just see him with some strange political version of stage frighjt; nauseas and shaking.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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And the beat goes on ... (from this evening's paper)



Liberals argue that he caved on the debt ceiling. Unions are upset over his handling of unemployment and labor issues. Hispanics brought the immigration debate directly to his campaign doorstep.

"They want to love him, but he's given them little evidence and his rhetoric is running out of steam," said Princeton professor Cornel West, who campaigned for Obama in 2008 but has become a fierce critic. "We find ourselves between a rock and a hard place. He's going to need high levels of enthusiasm among his base, and it's going to be hard to do that with speeches and no real serious actions or policies."

Liberals howled last December when he struck a deal with the GOP to extend Bush-era tax cuts.

Lately, the left has complained that Obama gave up too much in spending cuts during the debt-ceiling fight and failed to extract higher taxes on the wealthy in return.

Now labor is arguing that a jobs agenda Obama will outline next month is long overdue, and unions are cringing when he talks about trade deals and patent reform.

Blacks, who are expected to turn out in huge numbers next year to help re-elect that nation's first black president, also are complaining about high joblessness. "Our people are hurting. The unemployment level is unconscionable," Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., said recently at a Congressional Black Caucus meeting in Detroit.

And on Tuesday, Latino activists delivered 35,000 petitions to Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters to protest the record number of deportations on Obama's watch. They oppose a policy allowing police to submit the fingerprints of criminal suspects to the Department of Homeland Security so they can be cross-checked with deportation orders.

"President Obama is doing a smashing job of discouraging, unmotivating and inducing fear among Latino voters," said Roberto Lovato, co-founder of Presente.org.


Liberals complain about Obama; will it cost votes?


Racists, one and all!

deny ignorance

jw
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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And I think he will resign--with the excuse of 'health concerns.' Every time he is late for an 'Address' to the nation, I just see him with some strange political version of stage frighjt; nauseas and shaking.


Funny you should mention that. I left out Dana Milbanks' recitation of such an occurrence; it was almost surreal, but I didn't want to overdo it with Milbank trepidations.

Since you reminded me though, it is exactly what happens to someone given great responsibility that hr knows he neither deserves nor can handle.


A familiar air of indecision preceded President Obama’s pep talk to the nation.

The first draft of his schedule for Monday contained no plans to comment on the downgrading of the U.S. credit rating by Standard & Poor’s.
Then the White House announced that he would speak at 1 p.m.
A second update changed that to 1:30.
At 1:52, Obama walked into the State Dining Room to read his statement.
Judging from the market reaction, he should have stuck with his original instinct.
He delivered his statement on the economy beneath a portrait of Abraham Lincoln, but that was as close as he came to forceful leadership.
He looked grim and swallowed hard and frequently as he mixed fatalism (“markets will rise and fall”) with vague, patriotic exhortations (“this is the United States of America”).

“There will always be economic factors that we can’t control,” Obama said.
Maybe.
But it would be nice if the president gave it a try.

The most powerful man on Earth?

Sounds exactly like stage-fright, no. Here we were, 3 days after the S&P downgrade, and he didn;t even put it on his schedule, then revised what and when he would speak over and again.

Did you see the "speech," if you can call it that? Wooden, shaky, "deer in the headlights," were my impressions at the time, never dreaming I'd be posting this a week later. If he'd fled the room any faster, he'd have left "skid"marks.

There's definitely something wrong with the guy.

jw
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