Australia protesting - Carbon Tax!

Originally posted by aaron2209
Please don't speak for me. I am for the Carbon Tax as are a lot of people. It's a media beat up because they are in bed with big business and big business wants to continue raping this country for as much profit as they can get while we all suffer the consequences.

Which British protest? Please don't say you are referring to the recent riots?

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Sorry you're wrong. All polls done have shown that the vast amount of Aussies are against this stupid tax

Originally posted by circuitsports
I only know 2 things about Australia, all my friends from New Zealand make fun of people there and there like the UK testing ground for socialist control - modify your car without a permit - unacceptable violation of our right to dominate every aspect of your life.

The carbon tax is BS. It's a way to spend alot of money add tons of regulation and make it harder to understand business let alone conduct it - unless your a lawyer or politician this is going to complicate your life.

If they want to reduce pollution, reduce it. Trade coal for electric and improve efficiencies in transport and living. But don't cut everyones nuts off and call it good for the world.

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Kiwis suffer from the tiny country missed the bus at federation and now regret it unofficial 7th state of Australia syndrome haha. But you're on the ball with everything else you said.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
These Carbon Tax protestors always appear to be coming from the uneducated class- in many instances.

Ill tell you something interesting about the Australian education system. I did attent RMIT myself and hold a bsc, however i was a nerd growing up, into computers and science and in my opinion, the entire time i spent at school, as far as my field goes, could have been better spent reading books. In fact, i was pretty much self taught before i even begun my higher education and learned very little there. I would even go so far as to say that what i learned at RMIT could probably be summed up in something about the size of a Mr Men book.

During my professional career however, i did interview and employ many graduates. Something that i picked up after the first few people i hired was, if the person wasnt already into the subject b4 they went to school, they where basically useless as employee's. In fact, not a single graduate who wasnt already a 'computer person'. I wouldnt trust them to even turn a computer on or use ms word. I had staff with master degree's in IT i had to put on tech support duties because even though they'd spend 5 years at school. They where totally useless. When I managed the IT department for an accounting firm I had staff with double degree's in IT and Accounting. You'd expect them to be smart. No, not at all, dumb and useless as heck. Not only couldnt they not yet do a tax return (for themselves let alone somebody else), they couldnt program (part of their courses), they couldnt fix problems in any OS, even what they used on their home pc, they couldnt even look up solutions online. It was a total hand holding execise from the beginining with every one of them.

During my career in IT business, including owner and manager for others, i came to the conclusion that most graduates have one use, that is, repeating what they are told, doing as they are told, and acting like they know what they are talking about when they do not.

The best programmer ive ever hired, had not finished high school, and the owner of the company would not hire him because he was so rough around the edges. I spoke to him for 15minutes and i knew, he knew what he was talking about. It took a one month trial and bother head of IT and head of Creative, as well as him completing a 20k job alone with very little help from myself or creative department to even get the owner to consider hiring him. This is the stigma that the useless education system brings.

Please dont hark on about 'uneducated people' these are some of the best people in the country.

People forget or choose to not see that Gillard wasn't voted in and she's done shady behind closed doors deals with the Greens. The carbon tax is a Greens thing and I'd bet my left nut that Gillard agreed to bring it in on the condition that the Greens pass whatever proposals Labor want to put through parliment. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours would have been their behind closed doors agreement. Before the episode where no one voted for Labor or liberal Gillard was against the carbon tax proposed by the Greens. Then she needed the Greens support to become PM and what do you know? Carbon tax time.

Some people who are save the planet focussed just don't see the unethical behaviour going on here and ignore or don't bother researching or don't care about the cost to this nation. Gillard was lip slapping about pensioners getting a $300 bonus because of the tax. What she failed to mension is that she is about to cancel the EPC scheme which funds up to $4250 worth of dental treatment for sick people on pensions. Do you greenys get that? A child or adult whos teeth are destroyed through their illness or treatment won't get dental help now but they will get $300 a year. It doesn't even cover the fuel cost of getting to the hospital for treatment. But wait you Greens would be happy with a cancer patient walking to get treatment less the car trip poison the earth. Gillard has lowerd this nations living standards and mostly so that SHE CAN GET A DAMN JOB WITH THE U.N WHEN SHE"S DONE WITH BEING PM.

Anyone who has faith in Gillard, Labor or the Greens is fool!

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
These Carbon Tax protestors always appear to be coming from the uneducated class- in many instances.
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You are obviously one of those people who are uneducated in the fact that the average person isn't stupid and is actually capable of thinking for themselves.

Originally posted by steveknows
Gillard has lowerd this nations living standards and mostly so that SHE CAN GET A DAMN JOB WITH THE U.N WHEN SHE"S DONE WITH BEING PM.

Anyone who has faith in Gillard, Labor or the Greens is fool!

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Here Here Steve.

I voted for family first and gave labor my preferences soley because she promised no carbon tax. Many of my friends either gave her their primary vote or preferences because of that promise, and now we have a labor minister in our area. I was turned off giving my preferences to Abbott because of his stance on hastling the sick and poor rather than targeting the bigger end of town to save a buck. But i would have given him my preferences if Gilard wasnt such a psychopath willing to retain government at the cost of breaking promises.

I want my preferences back!

Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by 13th Zodiac

 

all those calling for a re-election.... raise your hand!!

yanno...Gillard is just another sock puppet...just like all the talking heads we have had in the past.

Who is going to be the next sock puppet??

oh please don't say.... "Mr I look ugly wearing speedos, put me off my food Liberal???"

LOL

You seem to focus on his speedos alot.

Originally posted by Gravity215

Originally posted by steveknows
Gillard has lowerd this nations living standards and mostly so that SHE CAN GET A DAMN JOB WITH THE U.N WHEN SHE"S DONE WITH BEING PM.

Anyone who has faith in Gillard, Labor or the Greens is fool!

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Here Here Steve.



I want my preferences back!

I feel your pain

I know that the libs aren't so great either but one thing I admired about Howard is that he was open with what he wanted and believed in. If people had a close look at the election in 07 I think they'd find that labor didn't win rather Liberal lost because Howard wouldn't confirm that he'd stay in office the whole term. And of course labor rode that one all the way to the 07 election and Rudd got in. So what happens? labor, with a big push by Gillard, gets rid of Rudd and by doing so does the very thing the nation was worried the Libs were going to do which was leave us with PM we didn't vote for. The early election wich followed comfirmed that the nation didn't want Gillard and through unethical political practise we ended up with and now suffer her.Shady deals,lies and generaly ignoring a population has beena labor trait from the start.

Yeah they probably saw us in New Zealand getting our first snow in 30 years (and first decent covering on record) in Auckland and went 'YEAH GLOBAL WARMING RIGHT?'.

This emissions trading crap will sink a few careers if the sheeple wake up. Too bad the same old govt corp will always run the local show independent of the puppets who are 'elected' haha.


Oop sorry it's now 'climate change' because it couldn't be 'climate static' could it now...

Originally posted by daaskapital
reply to post by aaron2209

 

I don't know. Maybe because it can have a negative impact on our economy, maybe because prices will skyrocket, maybe because Juliar Gillard lied to us all. There has been recent breakthroughs and proof stating that greenhouse gas emissions arent as bad as previously thouht. Australia hardly even contributes to the global emisions rate, yet we have to be the first big country to impose a full on carbon tax

Or maybe you have just swallowed all of the negative publicity surrounding the tax? There is a lot more to it than you represent, as is always the case with contencious issues. IF the government keeps it promisses (OK, I know!! lol) then the average Joe in Australia will not be hit hard by this tax.

Whenever new ititiatives are released there are always those who will paint the worst case scenario possible and promote it as their opposition to the tax (The lies from Mr Abbot are astonishing). As much as anyone should resist the temptation to listen to only those who share their viewpoint, listening to more than just the opposition party might help you gain a wider understanding of the tax. I don't think it will cause the problems some people would have you beleive. Especially after you hear companies that the opposition have heald up as examples of those likely to fail saying that actually their business will continue to boom.

Who should you beleive?

Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by daaskapital
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According to the Victorian government, they are pretty sure Australia will be damaged by it. They claim that thousands of jobs will be lost. So its not just the Mining companies stating it. Julia Gillard said that the public will get some tax cuts up to like a thousand dollars. Compare that to the amount of supplies you have to buy for every day life. You, i and the rest of the general public are getting screwed over.

Which party is in power in Vic

Job losses are always threatened by those in opposition when they oppose an idea.

We won't be screwed over. The difference will be negligible. Remember we were all going to go broke when John Howard broke his promise and introduced the GST?

You mean the Howard who left us with a $40 Billion surplus and now labor is in we have a $100 billion deficit?

3-4000 people is not many.,
However, at leats the Australians are doing something, the New Zealanders have been dumb on the issue and wonder why prices are rising? Kiwi's are birds that live under ground, Do NZers keep their heads in the sand?

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Couldn't help notice this.

This is typical of people who don't understand the world has been in recession. Why are Labour supporters so thick? It's like that all around the world.

Originally posted by daaskapital
I hope something big comes out of the truck convoy on Monday. It should be a prett ybig event

The'll bring in a emissions used during truck protest tax.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


I'm sorry, but when I see large groups of people shouting "ditch the witch" and hailing Tony Abbot as if he is some kind of Messiah (even though his party is the one which first proposed a carbon trading scheme) I have to conclude they mostly come from a disgruntled underclass which is uninformed on the issue.

I don't believe in man made global warming, nor do I believe the Carbon Tax will have any impact on preventing Global warming. I also recognize this will have adverse short-medium term effects on consumers (hence the compensation and tax cuts the government is providing). With the current state of the economy perhaps now is not a good time to enact a Carbon trading scheme, however I do recognize the need to restructure our economy in a way which we are not dependenet of finite resources. This offers the first steps. I also recognize in the long term this will make us more competitive once we develop sustainable and efficient energy resources.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Carbon Tax has serious structural problems and I would like to see a reassesment, possibly involving the input of not only environmental nuts but also the input of a large number of economists.

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See that is not an uneducated person. I don't mean people who didn't attend university, but people who have little employable skills, are on the dole and have entered a dead-end trade. You don't have to go to university to be educated.

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Oh little TeaBag. Be assured the rest of the world does not think like you.

Australians SUPPORT the carbon tax. Oh there are little pockets of protests, be rest assured that the world, and even ignorant America, is running away from you at light speed.

TeaBagging, conservatism, is dead. It just doesn't know it yet.

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You don't have to have a huge potential for the creation of money either though :\


If they were serious about cutting emissions they'd outright cut carbon emissions. I'd sooner pay a compulsory tax used to force big business into reform or face closure than sit around pretending extra costs wont be buck-passed down to the consumer. At least then there's a guarantee things will change.

Originally posted by Scytherius
reply to post by daaskapital

 

Australians SUPPORT the carbon tax. Oh there are little pockets of protests, be rest assured that the world, and even ignorant America, is running away from you at light speed.

Which country do you live in? I know very few people in support of the carbon tax as it stands.

Originally posted by spirit_horse
Well, then I want to charge the government a tax on using my trees to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen. The more trees I have the more I should get, or a credit against the carbon tax anyway. Hey, if their side of the argument is valid, then so is the other side of the coin!

...and that is exactly why we need a price on carbon. Let's all plant trees!..... Australia is a rich enough country to be a torch-bearer...light the way. We CAN do it, so we should. If we were really brave and enlightened we would cheer and celebrate our way out ahead of the pack; make it our thing, be famous for it, be way out ahead in all the new tech that will inevitably come in. We will end up doing it anyway, why not be the gold-standard? it can only be good business in the end. Come on Australia....be brave....step out of mediocrity and be a Super-Hero. If any country on this planet can show some guts and run laughing into the future, whilst creating a huge and irresistible brand at the same time, it is us!