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Australia protesting - Carbon Tax!

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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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These Carbon Tax protestors always appear to be coming from the uneducated class- in many instances. The protests on TV make me cringe with animosity as the crowds don't even take into consideration the pro's of such a tax and only care about their hip-pocket.
a) Julia is only pursuing a Carbon Tax to keep a lid on the Greens and maintain a parlimentary majority coalition
b) You will be compensated. The first tier tax brack (the bracket where no one- I mean no one- pays tax) has been raied from $6000 to $18000
c) While I don't believe in man made global warming, we cannot rely on Coal, a finite resource forever and must restructure our economy to incoporate and expand renewable, sustainable and possibly free + cheap energy resources by forcing companies to invest in them and diversify their energy investments while simultaneously having the government invest also (as they have been)
d) If other countries create cheap efficient renewable resources (which they have been) they will be far more competetive in comparison to us. This will reduce our position in the international economy

The long term benefits far outweigh the short term costs. I do not care if the Carbon Tax is undermined by democracy. It will eventually return at a later date. However, the opposition scare campaign and the media failure to inform the public about the benefits and the costs evenly is just a complete joke. Get informed first and then make a decision.




posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by aaron2209
Please don't speak for me. I am for the Carbon Tax as are a lot of people.
I think the stars have spoken for us good sir.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Well I've just been reading up on the Agenda 21 concept. That isn't going to go down too well with Australians and probably will be less palatable for Americans. No wonder the mainstream media doesn't say anything about the issues that the United Nations has planned.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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These Carbon Tax protestors always appear to be coming from the uneducated class- in many instances.
Uh huh. So is it always or in many instances?


The protests on TV make me cringe with animosity as the crowds don't even take into consideration the pro's of such a tax and only care about their hip-pocket.
You cringe at their assumed lack of consideration for the presumed pro's of such a tax? Weird.


a) Julia is only pursuing a Carbon Tax to keep a lid on the Greens and maintain a parlimentary majority coalition
b) You will be compensated. The first tier tax brack (the bracket where no one- I mean no one- pays tax) has been raied from $6000 to $18000
c) While I don't believe in man made global warming, we cannot rely on Coal, a finite resource forever and must restructure our economy to incoporate and expand renewable, sustainable and possibly free + cheap energy resources by forcing companies to invest in them and diversify their energy investments while simultaneously having the government invest also (as they have been)
d) If other countries create cheap efficient renewable resources (which they have been) they will be far more competetive in comparison to us. This will reduce our position in the international economy
The Carbon Tax should be about reducing emissions under the apparent threat of the dreaded "global warming". You can dress it up however you want and back it with any excuse in the book, but even if global warming is real the Carbon Tax will have a minimal affect on carbon emissions. It will simply make many products more costly for businesses to manufacture, and a lot of them will pass on those losses to the consumer. It's an ineffective tax that causes a lot more problems than it solves.
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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I'd be researching the money trail and the agenda behind these institutions if I was you. Dissolving sovereignty and private land ownership is not something that is being revealed by mainstream media. But its there within the United Nations concepts of world governance... of which Bobby Brown supports. Please do your self a favour.

UN Declares War on Property Rights - Most of the USA would be Off Limits to Americans

UN Agenda 21 and ICLEI: Is "sustainable development" something the American people want? ... or any one living in a so called democracy
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
These Carbon Tax protestors always appear to be coming from the uneducated class- in many instances. The protests on TV make me cringe with animosity as the crowds don't even take into consideration the pro's of such a tax and only care about their hip-pocket.

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The long term benefits far outweigh the short term costs.


I'd like to give further comment to your post , thought that will have to wait till a later time .

For now I offer this on the two portions of your post quoted above ..

It is right that Australians question the costs to their " hip-pocket " because , rather than you have stated, this is not a short term cost , this is in fact a long term commitment .

I question the fact that you do not mention the " Copenhagen Accord " and the need for the UN to raise $100 billion per year by 2020 for distribution to developing countries and the that Australia will supply a portion of that cost .



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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I have always wondered from the start of this CT introduction. If the government AND greens really cared about the environment and pollution, why wouldn't they introduce a carbon emissions regulation? e.g. like milk or eggs or meat or drugs etc etc

I mean if milk not strictly controlled by the government is so detrimental to peoples health, and if the scare campaign of "the entire coastline of Australia will be wiped away" is true then uncontrolled milk is nothing compared to the loss of infrastructure and potential lives that this would cause .... so if this pollution is worse why isn't there regulation over a limited time to get the levels within order instead of a tax??

Seriously a CTS will cut emmisions?? BS!! it just allows the larger pollutants to socially acceptably pollute and not be questioned because they are buying offset credits.

I have quite a few greedy reasons why the government would impliment this, but at the top of my list is because this government threw the money down the toilet in waste but promised a black line instead of a red one in two years.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by aaron2209
Please don't speak for me. I am for the Carbon Tax as are a lot of people. It's a media beat up because they are in bed with big business and big business wants to continue raping this country for as much profit as they can get while we all suffer the consequences.

Which British protest? Please don't say you are referring to the recent riots?
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please say you ARE referring to the recent riots



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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I only know 2 things about Australia, all my friends from New Zealand make fun of people there and there like the UK testing ground for socialist control - modify your car without a permit - unacceptable violation of our right to dominate every aspect of your life.

The carbon tax is BS. It's a way to spend alot of money add tons of regulation and make it harder to understand business let alone conduct it - unless your a lawyer or politician this is going to complicate your life.

If they want to reduce pollution, reduce it. Trade coal for electric and improve efficiencies in transport and living. But don't cut everyones nuts off and call it good for the world.
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2209
Please don't speak for me. I am for the Carbon Tax as are a lot of people. It's a media beat up because they are in bed with big business and big business wants to continue raping this country for as much profit as they can get while we all suffer the consequences.

Which British protest? Please don't say you are referring to the recent riots?
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So you enjoy your money being taken from you so that TPTB can spend it on the war machine?



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2209
Please don't speak for me. I am for the Carbon Tax as are a lot of people. It's a media beat up because they are in bed with big business and big business wants to continue raping this country for as much profit as they can get while we all suffer the consequences.

Which British protest? Please don't say you are referring to the recent riots?
edit on 18-8-2011 by aaron2209 because: (no reason given)


Do you realize your own statement is contradictory? You are FOR a carbon tax because the media is in bed with big business? And who is in bed with both of them? That's right - government. Who do you think will benefit from a carbon tax? Corporations don't pay taxes - people do. Whatever the cost of ANY tax imposed on a corporation is passed through to the consumer. You pay it. I pay it. Are you sure you're for a carbon tax?

So how about you educate yourself about how things really work before jumping on the carbon tax bandwagon, or any bandwagon the media tells you to jump on.



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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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I don't see how a tax that will impact almost every item in existence in its production, manufacture, transportation, ownership, will not cause price increases.
Short sighted mate. much?.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by aaron2209
Please don't speak for me. I am for the Carbon Tax as are a lot of people. It's a media beat up because they are in bed with big business and big business wants to continue raping this country for as much profit as they can get while we all suffer the consequences.

Which British protest? Please don't say you are referring to the recent riots?
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Do you realize your own statement is contradictory? You are FOR a carbon tax because the media is in bed with big business? And who is in bed with both of them? That's right - government. Who do you think will benefit from a carbon tax? Corporations don't pay taxes - people do. Whatever the cost of ANY tax imposed on a corporation is passed through to the consumer. You pay it. I pay it. Are you sure you're for a carbon tax?

So how about you educate yourself about how things really work before jumping on the carbon tax bandwagon, or any bandwagon the media tells you to jump on.



edit on 19-8-2011 by AwakeinNM because: (no reason given)


DING DING!!!
Winner by a very smart smackdown, well done, if the majority of people in favour of it are just useless repeating what "I was told by the TV" we are all #e*, lets hope for Zombie eating television sets.
Best hope for the future of man and womankind.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Carbon Tax is just another way to redistribute the Worlds wealth away from rich countries and eventualy once everything is all down in writing the next step is allocation of a set amount of tonnes of carbon per person,which means a poor 3rd worlder gets say 20 tonnes allocated to him and a rich first worlder gets 20 tonnes for himself,the first worlder will use more than 20 tonnes and have too buy off the 3rd worlder his credit for carbon and over the next few years maybe even decades the allocation of carbon you can use gets decreased to the piont of total 1984 enslavement,its a con people



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Exactly right. I don't think the 20% of Aussies understand what a tax is. The public pays the tax, not the businesses. $22 per tonne isn't exactly big, neither is it when you add it up. The companied paying the tax will get the money from the public all they have to do is increase the prices.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Not just mining.. Big Timber and Oil also, along with a slew of other like minded entities...

This Tax will not effect Australian jobs in the slightest, Overseas workers on Visas maybe, but to that I must say (DILLIGAF)...!!!

I really don't give a toss for international workers who want to come here and take jobs away from Australians...


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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Legion2024
only time will tell with our model of the CT, everything else is speculation. My dad said many years ago "mark my words you will have to pay to breath" over 25 years ago. and now well.......


Yes, a lot of people have been saying this... jokingly. Who would have known how right they were... probably not even themselves.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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Ive seen a lot of people asking 'how will this effect everything in our lives?' This is one of the sadder questions ive heard from CT supporters.

CT is a tax on energy. Everything that arrives in the store front, does so using energy. During its manufacture, it uses energy (which is taxed), during its wholesale storage, transporting it and housing it uses power for lights, security, temperature control, etc, (which is taxed), during its delivery, it uses fossil fuel (which is taxed), when it arrives, its probably unloaded with a forklift (which is taxed), unpacked and placed in a displayed, which uses lighting, security, temperature control (which is taxed). When its purchased by you, the end user, your using the a cashier who uses power (which is taxed), you are driving it home to your place (which is taxed) and your possibly using power in your home for lights, security, and temp control again (which us taxed)

See my previous post about the cost of measurement. This is way higher than the actual tax and we are already paying it. Its an invisible price rise that was put in place to cover the cost of measurement infrastructure over the cost of several years. Its already here and we are already paying it. This is at least part of the reason for the increased cost of non imported items and services in this country.

So you see, at each point along the way, the cost will be passed onto you. At each point the cost probably wont be a whole lot, but this is not like the GST where at each point the previous layer claims it back so hence does not pay it. This is an accumulative tax. That means you add it on at every point and then you can calculate the total throughput to yourselves.

I also saw somebody previously state that 10% is going to the UN. Although i don't want a cent of our money going to them, this figure is wrong, its closer to 2%. Don't get me wrong Im totally against it, but this is what ive read anyway, if i'm wrong please point it out. The 2% from what ive read according to Combet is going to the UN Green Energy Research fund, nothing to do with global governance (although they'll probably gobble 99% of it up as 'admin costs', just like every so called non for profit organization.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by daaskapital
It's crazy how some of the people take Gillards word for granted. " Its going to be beneficial for Australia." I don't think so. It is going to negatively impact us


When politicians say it will be good for Australia, they mean the corporate entity, not the people.

When they say "good for all Australians", they mean the board of directors.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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watch this video. seriously, green is good but green is NOT cheap. just so you know what side of the human rights issue you fall on



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