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Survival ATV's

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Look I am no expert but I am looking to buy a new ATV...
and being a family man I'm looking at these bigger side by side models that will fit me my wife and my granddaughter... now that really limits what I can get...

First let me tell ya about the HydroTraxx it swims...
6x6 Independant Hydraulic Drive, Turbo Diesel . . . "The Ultimate Amphibious All Terrain Vehicle" says it all. At 72" wide and 120" long, the HydroTraxx is larger and more stable than any other amphibious ATV in it's class. Fully hydraulic drive with optional Kubota turbo diesel engine, the HydroTraxx is the ultimate in durability and low maintenance. Visit us at HydroTraxx.net for additional information
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While I do like the concept these machines are really heavy.... so they might not be that practical...

I think the one I really want is this Polaris ranger crew diesel


The new 2012 RANGER CREW® Diesel. Featuring six passenger seating just like the gasoline model, but now powered by a 904cc Yanmar diesel engine. Perfect for logistical support, troop transport and a multitude of other tasks. Key Features are:
•24 HP .9L/904cc Yanmar Diesel Engine
•Room for up to 6 passengers
•1750 lbs. (793.8 kg) Payload Capacity
•2000 lbs. (907.2 kg) Towing Capacity
•9 gallon (34.1 Liter) Fuel Capacity
•4 Wheel Independent Suspension
•11.5" (29.21 cm) Ground Clearance

Link to web site

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I like that it's diesel... that means in a SHTF any abandoned semi should have a few gallons in her tanks or I can start making bio diesel for it... know to they make a lot of farming tools to pull behind these ATV's

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Anyway... I haven't made up my mind just yet... but I sure thought it would be fun to share my thoughts and listen to yours... so what's your fav ATV and why???




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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****hope it helps.......****
these are available in the uk used ex military for very small money,usually under the name argo cat.they were used by some branches of our forces in 70s and 80s.when i say small money i mean,£500 for a runner,£2000 for a show level resto.i specialise in intl vehicle shipping and could pass you to a good agent if you find one.
dont know if its what your after,but after all if you could buy a pinz gauer (google that if you dont know,basically worlds best military off roader) truck and carry the argo cat in it for less than the price of a honda quad might be worth a bit of research.lol
feel free to message me if you need a point in right direction



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Im looking for 72 and older.

Not sure if it makes sense but you get a lot of fun in the meantime. the swimmer would be my choice.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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I would get a hagglund bv206 personally

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Here's a pic of my survival ATV:





Simple maintenance, no fule or fluid worries. Can be picked up and carried if required, or roped down a cliff. Easy to hide. Make almost no noise. Cheap to acquire. I could go and on but you get the idea.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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If I was a single man...
i'd buy me a Banshee YFZ350
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Nah this one is better if the SHTF

(a beast of a vehicle



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Well, these are all fine and freakin' dandy, but what about fuel? In a legit survival situation, are you going to have enough fuel for one of these? Are you going to be able to store it? How, where?

Lot of questions to be answered before putting any money down on something like that. I'd rather invest the money into food, seeds, water, etc.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Bikes are good but it sure would be hard for my 3 1/2 year old granddaughter to reach the peddles...and she's to squirmy for a back of the bike seat... then my wife has a bad heart so bikes are out, out out...
besides I want the motor because of the potential to do work, pull big heavy loads and still work under extreme conditions...



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65
Well, these are all fine and freakin' dandy, but what about fuel? In a legit survival situation, are you going to have enough fuel for one of these? Are you going to be able to store it? How, where?

Lot of questions to be answered before putting any money down on something like that. I'd rather invest the money into food, seeds, water, etc.


you are right but like I said I like these two because their diesel
It's not as volatile as gasoline so it doesn't go bad as fast. However, it is organic so it will start to deteriorate the minute it leaves the refinery, just not as fast as gasoline does. As it ages masses of carbon, gum, and resin form in your fuel. They don't burn as completely as pure fuel so you do get deposits forming in your combustion chambers and on the tips of your fuel injectors. You lose power, efficiency, and fuel economy with older fuel. If you are only leaving your RV stored for 5 months or less you probably don't need a fuel conditioner for diesel fuel. But, this will depend upon your climate. Because diesel fuel is organic, it will deteriorate more rapidly in a warm environment than in a cold environment. If you plan on storing your diesel fuel in a warm climate you may want to add a fuel conditioner to keep it from breaking down, even if stored for as little as 3 months.

Making your own Bio-Diesel isn't that hard....easier than making ethanol...
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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My father purchased two Honda Fourtrax 300 4x4s in 92 and 93. They've been around his house for the entire time, used and abused. They've held up very well and are very capable off-road. It's the best selling atv ever made and it's a shame they've finally canceled it's long production run. If you want something that can off-road very well and will still be moving when hell freezes over that's the best one for you. It may lack the horsepower, the comfort, and the extras of a Polaris but it'll give every single one of them a run for their money, and tow them home after they break down. Which leads me to my next bit of advice for you.

Polaris is trash. Do not buy one, ever. I could list a page or two of shortcomings that those machines generally have but I really don't feel like going through it all. This comes from firsthand experience. Where my father lives everyone owns an ATV for hunting purposes. The brands break down like this generally.

Honda- runs forever (number one on durability), no slouch but not the leader of the pack, generally more capable off-road than certain other brands, lacks some creature comforts but nothing that's going to make you dislike riding it.
Polaris- many bells and whistles, looks nice, wears out fast, is somewhat performance oriented but not the fastest, highly comfortable, breaks down or acts up often, CVT transmissions are the most common and are susceptible to water making them almost worthless, great off-road capability until the CVT gets wet.
Yamaha- leader of the pack in performance when it's actually working, poorly designed wear parts (can't keep brake pads on them), breaks down often, not as capable off-road and designed around speed, dead last on durability/reliability scale.
Kawasaki- cheap electronics, reasonable reliability, comfortable, off-road prowess stinks, jack of all trades and master of none.
Suzuki- older models are highly reliable, cosmetic deterioration happens quickly, sometimes suffer from design flaws on certain models, rates second on reliability, overall the older models are much better than the newer ones.

I know in recent years a few newer brands have come onto the scene and I really can't tell you much about those because what I know comes from years of my father's experience fixing them for his friends. Everything I just listed is the opinion of a 30 year veteran mechanic and long time ATV rider.

If you're looking for a brand new model specifically, anything in the Honda lineup is pretty much a sure thing. The more extras you get the more likely you are to have problems. A semi-automatic transmission is the second simplest and most reliable ATV you can get. Honda does have a good reputation for their electronic transmissions and other options but the semi-automatic is the most reliable.

There are always exceptions to every rule but for my money I'd buy a Honda. They don't have the slogan "best on earth" and NOT get laughed at for nothing.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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They still make em new... we had a Pinzgauer dealer back in Albuquerque and they are road legal here... but it is bigger than what I was thinking about..



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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good good,like a guy that knows his stuff.
re argocat,on ebay now,uk of course,item no 170683019533





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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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I kind of took Honda off my list because I need 3 seats
Well I do have another choice...
Did you know Bobcat now makes a Utility ATV... but they dont come cheap
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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those 6 wheeled amphibious or ATV are very slow in the water. and if you get into any kinda choppy water it is not safe. we have rivers around here and they move fast so its would be scary using one of those here.

I know of one older Amphibious that was powered by a international and it had an international jet drive in back to switch to when in water. it was nimble in water and out.
when you use hydraulics. the mechanics move far to slow for real offroading..

I prefer three wheelers or ATC' myself no fancy electronics they go most anywhere and can haul anything a quad can. they are much more maneuverable as long as you know how to ride them. I would never buy new EVER all new stuff is crap compared to what honda and others made in the 80' and early 90'


for you I would go for a diesel mini truck. Volkswagen made a cool one. I have a 4x4 Ford ranger that will go anywhere and further than those UTV' and its a safe warm cab to sleep in if needed.
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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You could consider buying one for yourself and one for your wife. The clearest advantage to that is being able to pull one out if it gets stuck. A child can ride tandem easily, especially on a larger ATV. So can an adult, but will need to get off of the ATV and walk if the incline gets steep. As a family of three that was the route we went, before those larger ATVs were being made. It worked very well and removed the need for a winch and also opened the possibility that one could tow the other home in the event of mechanical failure (we never had to).

I'm not familiar with the bobcat brand at all. I would stay away from companies that are new to the ATV industry. Polaris was once the new kid on the block and they've only just now started to produce ATVs that are semi-respected by those that fix them. If nothing else, stay away from Polaris. They're overpriced and undervalued even now.

Most of the people my father rides with don't ride larger ATVs that you're looking at because there isn't a clear cut option that's a good purchase. Most of them have converted over to Honda or Suzuki. You may want to wait a few years for a Honda that has three seats. I went over to their site and noticed they have a larger model that seats two now. In my opinion if a three seat model is really what you want then it might be worth it to wait for Honda to produce one. It's a pretty expensive purchase that you don't want to make lightly.

You probably know this but when you're reading the reviews if durability and reliability is not mentioned it most likely means the publication had issues that they don't want to mention or just weren't impressed, so they're skipping over that part. Sadly I've seen brand new ATVs in my Dad's garage that didn't even make it through the maiden voyage.

Of the choices you've listed I would check into the Bobcat brand first and drop the Polaris 6-seater from the lineup. That thing has trouble written all over it. I can smell the transmission dieing from here.

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Granted Bobcat is new to the ATV market... but they have been making serious professional construction equipment for years Link to Bobcat I'm sure you've seen their skid-steers on work sites even in passing... they are kind of the standard everyone follows for that type of equipment...

Plus they have a great warranty... but like I said... high dollar...
shame about the Polaris... I kind of like it... oh well always ask a pro right???
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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I will second that i have heard bad things about polaris snow mobiles.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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This video can explain to you why Polaris sucks much better than I can.



Looks like a go-kart transmission right? Because it works exactly like a belt driven go-kart. They call it a PVT or a CVT transmission. PVT stands for Polaris variable transmission. CVT stands for constant variable transmission. It looks like both the Bobcat and Polaris use this, which makes them both pretty crappy. The belt you see in the video is a part of all CVT or PVT transmissions and once it is wet it will do nothing but slip. It will also strip, fry, cook, break, whatever under hard loads. Try to find an ATV with a real transmission if you want one that's going to be reliable. Bobcat had no direct information on their site about the transmission that I could find, but they did have a PVT guard mentioned as a feature. Not sure what PVT stands for beyond a Private, or a Polaris variable drive transmission. Which leads me to believe that the Bobcat may be using Polaris parts which is REALLY a bad idea. If it does use a CVT/PVT transmission you can bet that it will be the weak link. Which is very bad.

Check out what Honda has to say about transmissions and what they're offering in their very first large ATV.

Honda

Bottom line: You need to look at the Bobcats at dealers and ask them what kind of transmissions they're using. Don't let the salesman tell you that an 1800 lb belt driven machine is a good idea, because they will try to. As I said I'd avoid Polaris or any of their parts, especially transmissions.
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posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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Interesting thread


I agree on the sentiments of Polaris, not what they used to be


I am surprised not to see mention of the Can-Am range of atvs. I own a 2008 Can-Am Outlander 650 Max (Longer version)

Here is me on mine:

Certified 2 seater, very capable and resilient to almost any abuse you can throw at it.

If its side by side then also check out the Can-Am Commander, available with a few engine choices from 800 to 1000cc and also recently someone has made an attachment to enable 2 more seats at the rear.

Can-Am Commander


Accessories for the Commander, Part 1:


Accessories for the Commander, Part 2:


The rear seat conversion I have mentioned above:


Having owned and used many other makes of atv, I can say that there isn't much better than Can-Am so do take a look and see if anything they offer would suite you better. For a full range of their atvs visit the link below:

Quad Bike Range

Side x Side Buggy range:

Choose wisely because if this is for Bug-Out purposes you need something you can rely on when you most need it.
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