reply to post by josh2009s
Good catch!... but I had a closer look at the footage and there does actually appear to be darkening of the pixels consistent with the jets going
behind the trees. It's subtle, and the footage is blurring (either a real camera blur, or an applied blur effect depending on whether it's real or
fake) making it more indistinct, but you can definitely see motion where the jets should be.
reply to post by homeslice
I don't necessarily think you're wrong, in fact I think it is most likely a fake too, but I don't think it's as obvious a fake as you're making
out, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if the jets were real footage and only the UFO was edited in. If it is a fake, I think it is in fact a very good
fake. My view is that it's very hard to make the judgement based purely on this fairly short and low-res footage alone, especially at a glance.
I guess that puts me in the 10% of people "... with any real video or graphics skills..." who don't make sweeping statements of fact without having
a closer look at the evidence first... which is fine by me.
I somewhat agree about the perspective issue of the objects, that has been raised a few times, but I would argue that the perceived distance of the
objects mixed with perpendicular view angle of the first portion of the video and the oblique view angle of the second portion, with the relatively
short times, makes it hard to determine for certain about the perspectives, especially because in the second portion the perspectives do seem to shift
slightly, though based on the few pixels that make the objects it is hard to be certain.
The biggest issue to me is the seemingly sharp turn that the jets would have had to make while behind the building to change their perspectives so
significantly... but again, if real, that could just be an angular illusion thing.
From my work with photorealism I have learned that the real doesn't always look real, and the graphically represented can often look more real than
reality itself. The hyperreal is a known phenomenon where our brains trick us into believing something is real even if we know it's fake. This has
led to a generalised sociological phenomenon where we as viewers disbelieve reality because of our reluctance and fear of being fooled, meaning that
the hyperreal is often believed more readily than reality. There is much research into this area, and as digital media intermingles with reality more
and more the blurring line of what's real and not real will have some very interesting effects on society.
Here are some real-time comparisons of real and not real (this is from a few years ago now), and if you look at rendered rather than real-time the
results are even more astounding.
Crytek Cryengine 2 comparisons
If one of my students had created this, they would be getting a very high mark... in fact I think I might make this into an assignment... to make a
"believable" UFO sighting... I'm sure some of my best students would have heaps of people believing. Sounds fun!
For those of you who say "why would you even bother wasting your time on this..." well, I enjoy it. I like looking at footage and graphics, I enjoy
discussion and other people’s opinions and evidence and I can possibly even show some of these examples in classes as teaching points, if I feel
it's relevant. I'm happy to devote a small portion of my leisure time to exercises like this, and it's interesting from a purely analytical point
of view as well.
The more I look at this footage the less sure I am one way or the other, which is interesting in itself, generally obvious fakes make you more and
more certain the longer you analyse them, which gives a small boost to the credibility of this possibly being real. After a quick search online, I
can't find anything conclusively confirming or debunking this, though the lack of explanation and information tends to favour the "fake" label
more. In the end, while I think it is likely a fake, I just don't think you can definitively make the determination based on this clip alone, more
evidence is needed (better quality version, the original unedited footage, multiple eyewitnesses confirmation, etc.).