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Originally posted by habfan1968
Let's just say that incredibly this is an actual palestinian attack on Israel. The thing that really gets me is the notion here on ATS that Israel should somehow live with it and not retaliate. If they don't retaliate they show the terrorist they can be had. If they do, everyone condemns them. It is a known fact, if you launch a little homemade rocket into Israel they will fly a jet over and bomb something. Didn't the population vote Hamas into power there? That makes them complicate IMHO.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by MorfeuZ
How about just a PINCH of concern for the Israeli civilians who were just slaughtered like stock animals because they were on the wrong bus at the wrong time? I feel for the Palestinian civilians (You know, the REAL civilians who aren't simply without their weapon when counted) but it drives me nuts to see sympathy flowing freely to one side's innocent civilian population but somehow the other side's civilians are different?
Arab and Jew alike are both in deep trouble and they're in it together whether either side wants to admit it or not. Their leaders just don't care about individuals on either side all that much, so the killing never stops. IMHO
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.
All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed
I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.
I just wanted to clarify my POV. I'm just saying that the Israeli governament usually reacts with much more violence than that inflicted upon it's land. And hundreds, maybe even thousands of palestinians may suffer greatlly from this.
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by MorfeuZ
I just wanted to clarify my POV. I'm just saying that the Israeli governament usually reacts with much more violence than that inflicted upon it's land. And hundreds, maybe even thousands of palestinians may suffer greatlly from this.
Correct me if I am wrong, but they did vote for a terrorist group to be their representatives; didn't they? If you choose terrorists to represent your views, what does that say about your views and supposed innocence?????????
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
Real quick post to your assumptions and this'll be the last one to you. Do you know me? Do you know what I stand for? Do you know my views on the Middle East and Israel? NO you don't. You assume, just like I assume about you based on your weak arguments and screen name.
I'm all for Israel, Palestine and peace in the middle east. Just like I'm all for the USA, UK, France, etc, I love the people but can't stand the Gov't.
I support Israel, I do not support its Gov'tedit on 18-8-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)
You're asking me questions I could easily mirror back to you. I know you by the tone of your posts, and I am sure you are not "for" Israel just like I'm not "for" Nazi Germany.
Now, do you know me? Do you know my stance? You only assume so by throwing weak arguments (sorry, not even arguments yet) at me.
...
When you intend on making this a real debate I'll be more welcome to hear it. So far you are throwing half-assed personal conclusions then you whine about how I don't know you. Pathetic and immature. Not that I expected anything better than someone with your awfully twisted opinions.
Europeans are NOT real jews just converts simple as that, no claim over the holy land, same with euro christians simple
Where do you and others get these ideas? This is crazy! Are you saying the real Jews are Black people or something else in nature? Explain your views! How can you say a huge statement like this and not back it up.
They are not euro just like there are no Peruvian hindus and sikhs
So, what you're saying that converts are not the originals so it doesn't matter about them? Is that what you're saying?
3 of G-d's commandments are to love Jews, non-Jews, and converts to Judaism.
To love other Jews--Leviticus 19:18
To love converts--Deuteronomy 10:19
Not to hate fellow Jews--Leviticus 19:17
There many laws and commandments for Jews and Non-Jews to love and care for one another. There is nothing in Judaism ordering Jews to enslave gentiles. Of course there are black sheep. Just like in every belief system out there.
But if your of European decent then you have no direct blood line to the so called holy land, you can practice the faith all day long but you have no historical claim to the land and therefore you are just a part of the problem.
Religion is just a bull# story and thats it just face it.
That doesn't make sense! You're going with this claim that Jewish converts of European decent are in fact fake Jews and therefore have no claim to their land or faith. I'm no Zionism and not 100% of European decent. But as I stated with the commandment converts are to be loved and welcomed. HaShem will settle things out. I'm just confused by your claims.
Your confused because you have been brainwashed
Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.
All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed
I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.
Ashkenazi jews are a european version (convert)of the middle eastern jews, to be honest you are probably closer related to Romanian gypsies.
Your blood would tell you that if its pure enough but still it would still say you have a European bloodline.
The euro jew has spoilt the life of the M.E. jew and you just don't want to face it. Like I said you can follow the faith but you can't change your personal history. You or your parents were probably the first time your bloodline ever stepped foot in the middle eastedit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bigyin
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by MorfeuZ
I just wanted to clarify my POV. I'm just saying that the Israeli governament usually reacts with much more violence than that inflicted upon it's land. And hundreds, maybe even thousands of palestinians may suffer greatlly from this.
Correct me if I am wrong, but they did vote for a terrorist group to be their representatives; didn't they? If you choose terrorists to represent your views, what does that say about your views and supposed innocence?????????
The same can be said of Israeli's who voted for their leaders who carry out terrorist attacks on civilians !
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by rebelrich
Judaism is not just a religion, it's a way of life!
Now what does it take to drum that in to your thick skull?
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
Real quick post to your assumptions and this'll be the last one to you. Do you know me? Do you know what I stand for? Do you know my views on the Middle East and Israel? NO you don't. You assume, just like I assume about you based on your weak arguments and screen name.
I'm all for Israel, Palestine and peace in the middle east. Just like I'm all for the USA, UK, France, etc, I love the people but can't stand the Gov't.
I support Israel, I do not support its Gov'tedit on 18-8-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)
You're asking me questions I could easily mirror back to you. I know you by the tone of your posts, and I am sure you are not "for" Israel just like I'm not "for" Nazi Germany.
Now, do you know me? Do you know my stance? You only assume so by throwing weak arguments (sorry, not even arguments yet) at me.
...
When you intend on making this a real debate I'll be more welcome to hear it. So far you are throwing half-assed personal conclusions then you whine about how I don't know you. Pathetic and immature. Not that I expected anything better than someone with your awfully twisted opinions.
Europeans are NOT real jews just converts simple as that, no claim over the holy land, same with euro christians simple
Where do you and others get these ideas? This is crazy! Are you saying the real Jews are Black people or something else in nature? Explain your views! How can you say a huge statement like this and not back it up.
They are not euro just like there are no Peruvian hindus and sikhs
So, what you're saying that converts are not the originals so it doesn't matter about them? Is that what you're saying?
3 of G-d's commandments are to love Jews, non-Jews, and converts to Judaism.
To love other Jews--Leviticus 19:18
To love converts--Deuteronomy 10:19
Not to hate fellow Jews--Leviticus 19:17
There many laws and commandments for Jews and Non-Jews to love and care for one another. There is nothing in Judaism ordering Jews to enslave gentiles. Of course there are black sheep. Just like in every belief system out there.
But if your of European decent then you have no direct blood line to the so called holy land, you can practice the faith all day long but you have no historical claim to the land and therefore you are just a part of the problem.
Religion is just a bull# story and thats it just face it.
That doesn't make sense! You're going with this claim that Jewish converts of European decent are in fact fake Jews and therefore have no claim to their land or faith. I'm no Zionism and not 100% of European decent. But as I stated with the commandment converts are to be loved and welcomed. HaShem will settle things out. I'm just confused by your claims.
Your confused because you have been brainwashed
Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.
All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed
I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.
Ashkenazi jews are a european version (convert)of the middle eastern jews, to be honest you are probably closer related to Romanian gypsies.
Your blood would tell you that if its pure enough but still it would still say you have a European bloodline.
The euro jew has spoilt the life of the M.E. jew and you just don't want to face it. Like I said you can follow the faith but you can't change your personal history. You or your parents were probably the first time your bloodline ever stepped foot in the middle eastedit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)
From the sounds of it you're mad! I mean mad like crazy! I continue to ask you to source you're information. This is not a debate to win or lose. I'm multiracial but I'm Jewish and yes it is a way of life. The only three countries I ever been in were U.S, Mexico, and Canada. Other then that I haven't been to Europe or the Middle East.
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
Real quick post to your assumptions and this'll be the last one to you. Do you know me? Do you know what I stand for? Do you know my views on the Middle East and Israel? NO you don't. You assume, just like I assume about you based on your weak arguments and screen name.
I'm all for Israel, Palestine and peace in the middle east. Just like I'm all for the USA, UK, France, etc, I love the people but can't stand the Gov't.
I support Israel, I do not support its Gov'tedit on 18-8-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)
You're asking me questions I could easily mirror back to you. I know you by the tone of your posts, and I am sure you are not "for" Israel just like I'm not "for" Nazi Germany.
Now, do you know me? Do you know my stance? You only assume so by throwing weak arguments (sorry, not even arguments yet) at me.
...
When you intend on making this a real debate I'll be more welcome to hear it. So far you are throwing half-assed personal conclusions then you whine about how I don't know you. Pathetic and immature. Not that I expected anything better than someone with your awfully twisted opinions.
Europeans are NOT real jews just converts simple as that, no claim over the holy land, same with euro christians simple
Where do you and others get these ideas? This is crazy! Are you saying the real Jews are Black people or something else in nature? Explain your views! How can you say a huge statement like this and not back it up.
They are not euro just like there are no Peruvian hindus and sikhs
So, what you're saying that converts are not the originals so it doesn't matter about them? Is that what you're saying?
3 of G-d's commandments are to love Jews, non-Jews, and converts to Judaism.
To love other Jews--Leviticus 19:18
To love converts--Deuteronomy 10:19
Not to hate fellow Jews--Leviticus 19:17
There many laws and commandments for Jews and Non-Jews to love and care for one another. There is nothing in Judaism ordering Jews to enslave gentiles. Of course there are black sheep. Just like in every belief system out there.
But if your of European decent then you have no direct blood line to the so called holy land, you can practice the faith all day long but you have no historical claim to the land and therefore you are just a part of the problem.
Religion is just a bull# story and thats it just face it.
That doesn't make sense! You're going with this claim that Jewish converts of European decent are in fact fake Jews and therefore have no claim to their land or faith. I'm no Zionism and not 100% of European decent. But as I stated with the commandment converts are to be loved and welcomed. HaShem will settle things out. I'm just confused by your claims.
Your confused because you have been brainwashed
Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.
All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed
I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.
Ashkenazi jews are a european version (convert)of the middle eastern jews, to be honest you are probably closer related to Romanian gypsies.
Your blood would tell you that if its pure enough but still it would still say you have a European bloodline.
The euro jew has spoilt the life of the M.E. jew and you just don't want to face it. Like I said you can follow the faith but you can't change your personal history. You or your parents were probably the first time your bloodline ever stepped foot in the middle eastedit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)
From the sounds of it you're mad! I mean mad like crazy! I continue to ask you to source you're information. This is not a debate to win or lose. I'm multiracial but I'm Jewish and yes it is a way of life. The only three countries I ever been in were U.S, Mexico, and Canada. Other then that I haven't been to Europe or the Middle East.
So your not a jew just a hater of Palestinians and a destroyer of their homeland from a distance still we've made a pretty box along the way LOL
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
Real quick post to your assumptions and this'll be the last one to you. Do you know me? Do you know what I stand for? Do you know my views on the Middle East and Israel? NO you don't. You assume, just like I assume about you based on your weak arguments and screen name.
I'm all for Israel, Palestine and peace in the middle east. Just like I'm all for the USA, UK, France, etc, I love the people but can't stand the Gov't.
I support Israel, I do not support its Gov'tedit on 18-8-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)
You're asking me questions I could easily mirror back to you. I know you by the tone of your posts, and I am sure you are not "for" Israel just like I'm not "for" Nazi Germany.
Now, do you know me? Do you know my stance? You only assume so by throwing weak arguments (sorry, not even arguments yet) at me.
...
When you intend on making this a real debate I'll be more welcome to hear it. So far you are throwing half-assed personal conclusions then you whine about how I don't know you. Pathetic and immature. Not that I expected anything better than someone with your awfully twisted opinions.
Europeans are NOT real jews just converts simple as that, no claim over the holy land, same with euro christians simple
Where do you and others get these ideas? This is crazy! Are you saying the real Jews are Black people or something else in nature? Explain your views! How can you say a huge statement like this and not back it up.
They are not euro just like there are no Peruvian hindus and sikhs
So, what you're saying that converts are not the originals so it doesn't matter about them? Is that what you're saying?
3 of G-d's commandments are to love Jews, non-Jews, and converts to Judaism.
To love other Jews--Leviticus 19:18
To love converts--Deuteronomy 10:19
Not to hate fellow Jews--Leviticus 19:17
There many laws and commandments for Jews and Non-Jews to love and care for one another. There is nothing in Judaism ordering Jews to enslave gentiles. Of course there are black sheep. Just like in every belief system out there.
But if your of European decent then you have no direct blood line to the so called holy land, you can practice the faith all day long but you have no historical claim to the land and therefore you are just a part of the problem.
Religion is just a bull# story and thats it just face it.
That doesn't make sense! You're going with this claim that Jewish converts of European decent are in fact fake Jews and therefore have no claim to their land or faith. I'm no Zionism and not 100% of European decent. But as I stated with the commandment converts are to be loved and welcomed. HaShem will settle things out. I'm just confused by your claims.
Your confused because you have been brainwashed
Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.
All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed
I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.
Ashkenazi jews are a european version (convert)of the middle eastern jews, to be honest you are probably closer related to Romanian gypsies.
Your blood would tell you that if its pure enough but still it would still say you have a European bloodline.
The euro jew has spoilt the life of the M.E. jew and you just don't want to face it. Like I said you can follow the faith but you can't change your personal history. You or your parents were probably the first time your bloodline ever stepped foot in the middle eastedit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)
From the sounds of it you're mad! I mean mad like crazy! I continue to ask you to source you're information. This is not a debate to win or lose. I'm multiracial but I'm Jewish and yes it is a way of life. The only three countries I ever been in were U.S, Mexico, and Canada. Other then that I haven't been to Europe or the Middle East.
So your not a jew just a hater of Palestinians and a destroyer of their homeland from a distance still we've made a pretty box along the way LOL
You don't even know what I am. Your logic doesn't make sense and you act like a child. Please grow up pal!
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Originally posted by rebelrich
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
Real quick post to your assumptions and this'll be the last one to you. Do you know me? Do you know what I stand for? Do you know my views on the Middle East and Israel? NO you don't. You assume, just like I assume about you based on your weak arguments and screen name.
I'm all for Israel, Palestine and peace in the middle east. Just like I'm all for the USA, UK, France, etc, I love the people but can't stand the Gov't.
I support Israel, I do not support its Gov'tedit on 18-8-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)
You're asking me questions I could easily mirror back to you. I know you by the tone of your posts, and I am sure you are not "for" Israel just like I'm not "for" Nazi Germany.
Now, do you know me? Do you know my stance? You only assume so by throwing weak arguments (sorry, not even arguments yet) at me.
...
When you intend on making this a real debate I'll be more welcome to hear it. So far you are throwing half-assed personal conclusions then you whine about how I don't know you. Pathetic and immature. Not that I expected anything better than someone with your awfully twisted opinions.
Europeans are NOT real jews just converts simple as that, no claim over the holy land, same with euro christians simple
Where do you and others get these ideas? This is crazy! Are you saying the real Jews are Black people or something else in nature? Explain your views! How can you say a huge statement like this and not back it up.
They are not euro just like there are no Peruvian hindus and sikhs
So, what you're saying that converts are not the originals so it doesn't matter about them? Is that what you're saying?
3 of G-d's commandments are to love Jews, non-Jews, and converts to Judaism.
To love other Jews--Leviticus 19:18
To love converts--Deuteronomy 10:19
Not to hate fellow Jews--Leviticus 19:17
There many laws and commandments for Jews and Non-Jews to love and care for one another. There is nothing in Judaism ordering Jews to enslave gentiles. Of course there are black sheep. Just like in every belief system out there.
But if your of European decent then you have no direct blood line to the so called holy land, you can practice the faith all day long but you have no historical claim to the land and therefore you are just a part of the problem.
Religion is just a bull# story and thats it just face it.
That doesn't make sense! You're going with this claim that Jewish converts of European decent are in fact fake Jews and therefore have no claim to their land or faith. I'm no Zionism and not 100% of European decent. But as I stated with the commandment converts are to be loved and welcomed. HaShem will settle things out. I'm just confused by your claims.
Your confused because you have been brainwashed
Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.
All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed
I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.
Ashkenazi jews are a european version (convert)of the middle eastern jews, to be honest you are probably closer related to Romanian gypsies.
Your blood would tell you that if its pure enough but still it would still say you have a European bloodline.
The euro jew has spoilt the life of the M.E. jew and you just don't want to face it. Like I said you can follow the faith but you can't change your personal history. You or your parents were probably the first time your bloodline ever stepped foot in the middle eastedit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)
From the sounds of it you're mad! I mean mad like crazy! I continue to ask you to source you're information. This is not a debate to win or lose. I'm multiracial but I'm Jewish and yes it is a way of life. The only three countries I ever been in were U.S, Mexico, and Canada. Other then that I haven't been to Europe or the Middle East.
So your not a jew just a hater of Palestinians and a destroyer of their homeland from a distance still we've made a pretty box along the way LOL
You don't even know what I am. Your logic doesn't make sense and you act like a child. Please grow up pal!
You dont know what YOU are, I know your not a real jew.
PS the pretty box is the multi ragial i mean multi gray boxes on your screen.
Been playing with you and IG all night!!
but that said YOU ARE NOT A JEW just a brainwashed son of some distant convert!!
Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
Ahhh,but G-d punishes His people.
That is why Israel is surrounded by her enemies.
Israel is being punished for her past transgressions.
When the Messiah returns,He will save Israel from
being completely destroyed.