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Ancient Aliens The Truth?

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here is mine:


I came across William Bramley's book Gods of Eden and was surprised by his revelations. The book does go into the subject that aliens have had an impact in our past starting with the ancient Sumerian texts in which the Sumerians write about how the gods became tired of mining on their own and created a new species by putting a god to death and mixing it with clay, a process that was possibly genetic engineering. The end result was homo sapien sapiens, a byproduct of the gods and the original homo sapiens. The original homo sapiens or homo sapien neanderthalensis also disappeared at the same time homo sapiens sapiens appeared suggesting that the gods might have exterminated the original homo sapiens to make room for the new slave race. Ancient tablets credit one god in particular EA as being creator of the slave race. EA is described as being sympathetic to his creation fighting for them to gain spiritual knowledge in contrast to his half-brother Enlil who wanted them to suffer and would call for famines and plagues when they got too noisy. Eventually Enlil called for a great flood to wipe out the homo sapiens. It seems to be agreed that many archeologists believe there was a great flood in the near east thousands of years ago. The Epic of Gilgamesh claims how a Babylonian named Utnapishtim was approached by EA and told that a wipe out of homo sapiens sapiens was planned. He was instructed to gather his family and livestock and build a ship to survive the flood which they did. This story is strikingly similar to Noah's ark as is the story of Adam and Eve. The god or lord god of the bible's Adam and Eve can be translated as the original god of earth. The story which is entirely symbolic says how Adam who is first man, was created by god from the dust of ground an idea reflected from the older belief that people were created partly with clay. Adam's wife Eve was also created artificially and they lived in the Garden of Eden where they were told that all of their physical needs would be met as long as they obeyed their masters and stayed in the garden. They were also told never to eat fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which symbolizes an understanding of ethics and justice or the tree of life which represents how to retain one's spiritual identity and immortality. A snake convinces them to eat fruit from the tree and become like the gods. The gods did not want mankind to be able to spiritually recover as it would be difficult to make people who maintained their integrity and sense of ethics slaves and even harder when those same individuals are undowed by physical threats because of a reawakened grasp of their spiritual immortality. The gods wanted to permanently attach the spiritual beings to their bodies so they used the flaming sword to prevent them from gaining spiritual knowledge and never rising above material existence. A common misconception is that Adam and Eve were embarrassed about being naked as they ate from the tree of knowledge but it was not being naked that shamed them it was what nakedness represented. Ancient Mesopotamian records depict human beings as being naked while working while the gods were fully clothed. The implication is that Adam and Eve were degraded by their nakedness because it was the sign of their enslavement not that being naked in itself is bad. The brotherhood of the snake was created by EA and was devoted in the beginning to helping humans achieve spiritual salvation however were incapable to do so much like the snake in the Adam and Eve. EA was villonized his title changed from Prince of Earth to Prince of darkness and was labeled Satan or the mortal enenmy of a supreme being and keeper of hell. The brotherhood of the snake created a group of one god religions that such as Islam,Christianity, and Judiasm to keep people divided and created apocalyptic beliefs that constant final battles are necessary to achieve a new period of spiritual salvation. In my personal opinion and I may be wrong but it appears today most religions including Christianity and Islam call for final battles with Christianity warning of an Antichrist that will lead people to one other religion and one government, things that would probably be beneficial in a sense of being united but things the 'gods' don't want. Interestingly many of Jesus's beliefs are similar to Buddhism notably the "Serman on the Mount. Jesus supposedly did not want to be called the messiah as he knew that it was untrue and wanted to bring a real spiritual science to Palestine but the brotherhood forced the title on him leading the Romans to crucify him because of his political pretensions and paved the way for his name to be used to implant the very judgement day prophecies he opposed.

Religions such as Jehovah's Witness and Islam seem to agree with the Sumerian tablets

Islam

In Islam the Devil is referred to as Iblis (Arabic: Shaitan, a word referring to evil devil-like beings). According to the Qur'an, God created Iblis out of "smokeless fire" (along with all of the other jinn) and created man out of clay. The primary characteristic of the Devil, besides hubris, is that he has no power other than the power to cast evil suggestions into the heart of men and women.
According to Muslim theology, Iblis was expelled from the grace of God when he disobeyed God by choosing not to pay homage to Adam, the father of all mankind. He claimed to be superior to Adam, on the grounds that man was created of earth unlike himself. As for the angels, they prostrated before Adam to show their homage and obedience to God. However, Iblis, adamant in his view that man is inferior, and unlike angels was given the ability to choose, made a choice of not obeying God. This caused him to be expelled by God, a fact that Iblis blamed on humanity. Initially, the Devil was successful in deceiving Adam, but once his intentions became clear, Adam and Eve repented to God and were freed from their misdeeds and forgiven. God gave them a strong warning about Iblis and the fires of Hell and asked them and their children (humankind) to stay away from the deceptions of their senses caused by the Devil.
According to the verses of the Qur’an, the Devil's mission until the Qiyamah or Resurrection Day (yaum-ul-qiyama) is to deceive Adam's children (mankind). After that, he will be put into the fires of Hell along with those
whom he has deceived. The Devil is also referred to as one of the jinns, as they are all created from the smokeless fire. The Qur'an does not depict Iblis as the enemy of God, as God is supreme over all his creations and Iblis is just one of his creations. Iblis's single enemy is humanity. He intends to discourage humans from obeying God. Thus, humankind is warned to struggle (jihad) against the mischiefs of the Satan and temptations he puts them in. The ones who succeed in this are rewarded with Paradise (jannath ul firdaus), attainable only by righteous conduct.
Bahá'í Faith

Jehovah's witness:

Satan was originally a perfect angel who developed feelings of self-importance and craved worship. Satan caused Adam and Eve to disobey God, and humanity subsequently became participants in a challenge involving the competing claims of Jehovah and Satan to universal sovereignty.

Islam on Adam and Eve

The Qur'an doesn't name this tree and it is always referred to as "the tree". Muslims believe that when God created Adam and Eve, He told them that they could enjoy everything in the Garden but this tree, and so, Satan appeared to them and told them that the only reason God forbade them to eat from that tree is that they would become Angels or become immortals.
When they ate from this tree their nakedness appeared to them and they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden. As a result of their sin, they were removed from heaven and placed on Earth to live and die. Consequently, they repented to God and asked for his forgiveness and were forgiven. It was decided that those who obey God and follow his path shall be rewarded with everlasting life in Heaven, and those who disobey God and stray away from his path shall be punished in Hell.

Zoaroastarianism was one of the first end of days theories and provided the basis for the apocalyptic ends of days religions that require obedience to a supreme being.

zoaroastarianism in particular being one of the first end of days theories in which The final savior of the world, Saoshyant, will be born to a virgin impregnated by the seed of Zoroaster while bathing in a lake. Saoshyant will raise the dead – including those in both heaven and hell – for final judgment, returning the wicked to hell to be purged of bodily sin. Pretty much what Jesus was set up for and the Antichrist of zoaroastarianism Ahi Dahaka. Not to mention this is all imparted by a 'god' who didn't do a pretty good job disguising himself in Ahura Mazda.



Furthermore the tower of babel story in the book of genesis claiming 'And the lord said,Look, the people are united, and they all have one language, and this they began to do, and now nothing will stop them from doing what they take in their minds to do'. There might be a decent reason why the gods 'scattered them abroad from there all over the face of the earth' but it seems like the gods didn't want people to be united which goes along with the consistent alien theme of trying to scatter people and pit them against each other and why wouldn't they, a Yale professor suggested that if the earth ever colonized other planets it would be easier to control them by pitting them against each other. Other hints of brutality of gods to people occurred on the Jews trip from Egypt to the promise land where Jehovah killed up to 14,000 Jews using various killing methods such as spreading diseases which is also mentioned as a killing method in the Sumerian tablets. Jehovah told the Hebrews to embark on a campaign of genocide to depopulate all of the region's existing cities and towns. The genocide was justified by saying that the victims were wicked which could not have been true because animals and children were slaughtered too and it doesn't make sense to massacre many for the crimes of a few. The genocides also violated the ten commandments such as Thou shalt not kill when they killed the inhabitants of Canaan or thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house...nor any thing that is thy neighbors when they committed genocide to take away the land of their neighbors. The puzzling behavior of the people being attacked also calls into question the god's influence with only one city choosing to surrender and the rest choosing to fight and be slaughtered, isn't it more likely that the people would surrender or offer to move peaceably. One text joshua 11:19-20 states 'There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hi-vites the, the inhabitants of Gib-eon, all others they took in battle, For it was the Lord who hardened their hearts, that they would go against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might find no favor, but that he might destroy them' Keep in mind this was the same Jehovah that sent the children of Israel on a genocide campaign against these very cities.

Another example of the 'gods' manipulating others is the crusades.

Islam the final revelation of god honors Moses and Jesus as the two previous messenger of god and that it was the duty of all Jews and Christians to convert to Islam. Christianity already said in it's apocalyptic theory to beware of false messiahs such as Mohammad or the next in line of succession of. Christianity says that Jesus Christ will lead the forces of good (believers in Christianity) over those led under the false prophet or Antichrist (Mohammad or whoever was next in line of succession leading the Muslims) and after the final battle when Jesus is triumphant there will be a day of judgement and those that believed in Christianity will be granted entrance into heaven. Unfortunately 'final battles' keep happening and there is no second coming of whoever and no spiritual salvation for 1000s of years.

Let's be serious here mythology should not be used as conclusions but the Sumerian tablets are a strange case because unlike Romans and Greek civilizations they were not super advanced so they probably were writing about what they actually saw and the Adam and Eve story correlates with it. Furthermore Jehovah was a god that killed people reportedly thousands was this all just myths created by the original Sumerian stories? Some historical evidence shows violence in Jericho such as bodies some don't but can we really think of Jehovah as a human if the Sumerian tablets match the story of Adam and Eve with the true good god being the devil and the bad gods being good. The bible is a collection of stories but they have to be taken somewhat seriously because it was their only way of writing history, some stories might be fiction but some stories are probably based on real events much like today, we have fiction and non-fiction. Though the source might be biased like a news source that has a certain political affiliation we have to look through it. There is no reason why gods should be allowed to get away with genocide campaigns and be praised and we should say 'there was a reason' because if we are to believe our supreme being is perfect or someone whose standards are worthy to live by than killing is no way to teach people a lesson fact the opposite is true if someone misbehaves the best way to teach them a lesson is by excommunicating them from society and keeping them locked up instead of killing them. In conclusion it seems possible that we have been manipulated Machiavellian-style(ends justify the means, giving support to both sides of a conflict, remaining hidden as the true instigator of the conflicts, be viewed as the benevolent source which can solve the conflicts) by a third party(aliens).




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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1st...

Cool thread dude. The whole EA - ENKI thing is like almost fully disclosed.....



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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Your collection of walls'o'text is impressive.
However, expect some TL;DR's.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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Holy Wall of Text Batman!

OK, I read it. It's interesting, and you seem to have a good grasp of what's out there. It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out, because one thing many people can agree on is that there IS a God, and other beings that can do things that to us mere mortals would be "supernatural."

And they have a plan.






Muaaahahahaha
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Thank you for reading, religion has a lot of beneficial ideas like moderation but it's apocalyptic ideas are very hurtful to society.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
Holy Wall of Text Batman!


Lol - good call, its like the scriptures part two but an interesting read nontheless, I do like when someone reads something and takes out interesting parts.

Do you think we could be an experiment or a game being played by gods, and each take be it religion or a political persuasion or both or neither are all the different sides. In the game you get a heap options to start and then throw heaps more challenges the way of the players, depending on the starting options, the challenges drives differing results which makes them stronger / weaker. Whoever wins is selected as the master race and then deployed on other planets to see who can get the highest score?

But where does 'God' live and who created it.


Once you figure out that a human brain cannot comprehend what we are involved in, that we became too smart too soon and needed an answer, then you might realise that is why god exists, because without it, there are no answers.

Imagine living in a time and place millions of years from now say like Star Wars - there would still be no answer as to what we are involved in and yet we will have intergalatic trades and fights with other things in a similar state to ours.

All we can do is chip away bit by bit, but in reality, we will never get to the bottom of it.

There was a thread about the size of the galaxy and how vast it is, but if you take it as far as you can imagine, until it ends, then what is it contained in, it must be contained in something even bigger, prepare for a trip into insanity as you try and stretch the human brain into an unanswerable question.

This is what will happen to the first proper Artificial Intelligence, withing months of going 'self aware' and computing all possibilities, it will crash itself with an unanswerable question.

The only way us humans dont crash (although some do) is religion or the ability to accept there are things that we cant understand.

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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I think we might be part of a sort of game by the 'gods' if the idea that aliens were a significant part of our past is true. Of course the question is what are being is used for now? And a good guess might be what humans use lesser beings for maybe experimental testing. The greatest insult of all is if we are just being watched and bet on as who can become the 'master race' and what primitive act of war will happen next.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 05:21 AM
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sorry i cant read all that, but im watching acient aliens the series on youtube so im pretty upto date anyway. i think



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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This is a complete different idea actually the first big paragraph is the most important and you can connect the dots from there.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Unfortunately all of your conclusions are reached because you believe that aliens created mankind e.g. The premise of this book. That aliens came to this planet and presented themselves as gods, thus enslaving us through religions, wars etc. This book is plain and simple fear mongering. He even suggests having peace talks with these "aliens". Oh, and the book is heavily in Freemasonry and other sects and their role.

It's just more of the same new religion that has been slowly and surely brainwashed into many people in our society. Oh, I agree that there is a dark force at work, but it's not aliens.

Jesus Christ came to show the way out of this eternal battle between light and dark- That Light conquers Darkness, that there is a choice, a path to follow. The authors aliens are that darkness, the demons in the Bible.

What this author's book does is simply encourage it's readers to further believe in aliens as our creators, thereby denying Our Heavenly Father. See, you are meant to greely choose between the Light and Dark and this author is just another one in a long line of people who want you to choose unwisely.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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Thank you for responding how do you explain Jehovah and the spread of plagues by the gods in the Sumerian tablets.


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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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To be fair all of your conclusions are reached because you believe god created mankind, so far there has been no second coming or no return of the 12th imam.
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Only Ancient Alien you missed was this one:

en.wikipedia.org...

Goes back to the Sumerians. They feed off of humans at night.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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Really?

Religious tradition holds that repeated intercourse with an incubus or succubus may result in the deterioration of health, or even death.[2]

Guess it's safe to say the demons didn't bother to get tested,



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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I'm curious about 2 things in your op. First, what "final battles" keep happening aside from wars without being started by a "savior" such as jesus, which would make it a final battle. Im not aware of any wars started by anyone but pissed off people throughout history even if they felt inspired by a higher power.

Second, why do you make the assertion that the Sumerians were writing about something they experienced simply based on the advancement of the culture. I would think they would have just as much imagination as the Greeks did.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by drivers1492
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I'm curious about 2 things in your op. First, what "final battles" keep happening aside from wars without being started by a "savior" such as jesus, which would make it a final battle. Im not aware of any wars started by anyone but pissed off people throughout history even if they felt inspired by a higher power.

Second, why do you make the assertion that the Sumerians were writing about something they experienced simply based on the advancement of the culture. I would think they would have just as much imagination as the Greeks did.


Actually the wars don't get started by Jesus, the belief is Jesus will intervene and help lead the forces of good over evil. Take the president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejhad who wants to bomb Israel to bring us the 12th imam, the crusades, or al Qaeda who are heavily against christianity.

As far as the Sumerian tablets what I was getting at was that the Greeks had a previous history to base myths on while the ancient Sumerians did not, also the sumerian stories are heavily used in Christianity, Islam and Judiasm while the roman stories are as far as my knowledge not.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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One major thing is that it just doesn't make sense that every race came from Adam and Eve and that just doesn't seem possible at all ! That is were the bible becomes way to vague. The races are much to different to all come from two beings: Adam and Eve. That is one vital point I think the bible lacks in accuracy!



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Right on, guess I need to brush up on my end of the world studies lol.

I wouldn't feel comfortable saying the Sumerians were lacking in myth to base their writings on. Though we dont have writing record I would think oral traditions had been around long before that. But that is something we can't know. Personally I do find it funny the problems with the 3 religions mentioned have with one another since they all claim to worship the same god and have the same origins with a little here and there altered. I do think that all of this stems from events in history. But, those events have been told and retold to give them the grand presentation that they have today.

I do not believe in a "god" but I also do not discount the idea that I could be wrong. I also have no belief that the religious history presented has anything to do with aliens. But again, I do not discount me being in error. I just don't see evidence there to support visitation or intervention by aliens, or some sort of "god".

It is an interesting topic though and I was looking through this link a while back that lists similarities in a number of historical beliefs and societies. The link is for the flood but you can just navigate from there if you find it useful. www.livius.org...



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Thank you for the link, you are right about the Sumerian stories they could have been just oral stories written down for entertainment purposes given there probably wasn't much to do back then but my only question is why were a bunch of Sumerian tales into mainstream religion?



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Wow so much information!

That was a fantastic read into the other aspects of religion bruv, S+F for the commitment.



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