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America and Americans - What exactly are we good at? What makes us "the best"?

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

I think America has fallen because..well, of all of you lot.
Not specifically, what was typed in this thread (myself included) is almost purely pessimism...and you can't be on a winning team if everyone is saturated in self defeat. The problem isn't the government, because we are the government, the problem is our attitude, and we are not helping or adding to it.


From an outsider's perspective, I think while many have a self-defeatist attitude, I think just as many Americans have an attitude of "there's nothing wrong - what the hell is wrong with you for suggesting that? Are you jealous?". This attitude of not accepting that there is a problem is helping to compound and worsen them.




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Err I think you will find it was a British chap who invented the i Pod. Have a look at this:-

www.securinginnovation.com...



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by SecretKnowledge

Originally posted by daynight42
The US is the entertainment capital of the world. When other countries watch our TV, they compare it to their own (in many places) and say that their own is relatively much less exciting. Our movie industry is also huge. When you hear about pirated DVDs being sold, where'd they come from? And, our music industry is also known for producing and serving as a magnet for new talent. America is known for mega-stars.

If anyone doubts any of this, just look at how overly entertained the average American is. Between YouTube, ipods, video games, movies, and television, we are all hooked on this stuff.

Also remember the US is the source of the world's leading operating system - MS Windows.

McDonald's and Coca-Cola are global brands selling in places you'd never imagine.





every single thing you've pointed out there is bad for you
mcdonalds and coke? extremely unhealthy
ms windows? great but your sitting down all day using it
movies, television? sitting down for hours watching csi america
youtube? check all the above
all of which contribute to obesidy


Let me guess, you surf the net and look at ATS while standing up!

People don't get fat by watching videos or listening to music. They get fat by eating too much junk and not moving enough!

...BUT...

The whole point of the thread was, What are we good at? Not, what is our moral obligation to the safety and well-being of the world. I used one measure (profit) to determine what we're good at. I answered the question whether you like the answers or not.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Quick question that has been bothering me for awhile now.

As I watch nasa being dismantled and ripped apart, as I watch legislation trying to be passed to retard the scientific process even more, I wonder...What are we good at now

What is the vision? In the 60s, it was going into space...in the 90s, it was all about pushing the internet to be the medium that connects the globe, but where is our vision now?

Robotics are now gone to the far east for superiority
Physics is the domain of europe
Medicine is also becoming a european breakthrough area
Serious money is now being pushed into places like bollywood and other foreign entertainment industries (not to mention the massive rise in japanese entertainment)

What is our place in this new world? Are we becoming redundant? Have we lost the will to strive for great things? Do we even have the right to call ourselves the best at anything anymore (beyond military, but lets be honest...that is not a point of pride...just because someone carries the largest stick doesn't mean he is the best person to know).

So...this is actually -not- an america bashing thread...its actually a where do we go, what can we do type thread. I love the global community, but I sit currently in America, and I don't like this sunk ship feeling.

What national projects should we unify and push for? or should we simply give up and give the greatness name to some other nation that will step up and lead the new century



What are we good AT?? Seriously, alot.
1.) Google (Search, Android Phones, GMAIL, Chrome Brower)
2.) Microsoft (Bill Gates, Live Search, Windows Phones, Windows OS, IE)
3.) Facebook
4.) Apple (Steve Jobs, IPOD, IPAD, MAC Books, Pro Tools,)
5.) Hollywood / Movies
6.) Music (Top 40, Rap, HipHop, R&B, Country, Dance, Jazz, POP)
7) Virgin (Richard Branson, Virgini Galactic space missions, Virgin Mobile Phones, Virgin Airlines
8) IBM, DELL, HP
9) Norton, Mcaffe
10) Chevrolet, Ford, etc
11) WALMART, Bed Bath and Beyond, TARGET, KmART
12.) Wegmans, Food Lion, Giant, 7-11, HARRIS TEETER
13.) COSTCO, BJ's
14.) SHELL, EXXON
15.) MCDONALDS, WENDY's, BURGER KING, PIZZA HUT, TACO BELL

Countless other companies and functions that are TRAILBLAZING around the world, and the providing the future on how we communicate and interact, and use produces. ALL FROM THE United States. ALL SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. Can't remember the stat, but there are more people in the world that use facebook other than people in the US. How many people around the world use WIndows OS? How many people watch our Hollywood movies, that make BANK!! How many people around the world listen to our music?

All the stuff you don't think about, is the stuff that the US does. Period. Get your facts straight.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Re -Education time again

Virgin is a British Company (And so is Richard Branson)

Shell is an Anglo-Dutch Company

See my previous post about the i Pod (British Invention)



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Kennyb72, You beat me to the punch with your answer, I was going to say the same, albeit not so in depth nor as articulate as you.
I do belive that the USA. is the best at influencing other countries. And by no measure do I mean always for the good. The USA, is very influential, not only in major occurances, But also in trivial matters..
With that being said, I agree with you that the USA should realize this and try to set a better example. Not so we can "set a good example" for others. But for the simple fact that it is the propper thing to do for our nation itself.
I know, this is a simplistic ideal, and it does sound very naive, But it is simple enough that it could work.
With that being said, I shall now take my leave and go look at some good American Porn...(JOKING) IE just kidding,



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
... so, its a good thing i'm used to flying by the seat of my pants and without a map...

... so, my plan is to drive an RV all the way to the bottom - go down the pacific side, come up the atlantic side - and - thats where the logistical problems come into play...



One other good thing the US does is label their highway exits and give some warning when these turn-offs are coming up, Mexico not so much. It gets worse as you go further south and with a few exceptions doesn't get much better again until around Argentina or so. That sort of travel is a great passport for adventure, which can be a good thing. Being here has certainly changed my perspective about the ways of the world, and that is a good thing.

In our brief conversation I suspicion you were already more enlightened than myself in these regards. I believe America overall, the American people especially, could benefit from a larger world view. Things are not always as they appear when viewing the world through the Hollywood facade as I was accustomed to seeing it.

I might suggest when your trek takes you to the central part of Mexico you swing into the highlands for a part of the journey, the weather is much nicer here for one thing. You could find me right around the geographical center of this strange land. I would hope you could take some time out to look us up and and get treated to a little tour of our pueblos magicos. It could add color and depth to how you view the rest of your trip.

For the Tea Party types I would suggest a similar jaunt into a land that is already somewhat how they view their ideal world. We have low taxes, little government interference into our lives, few social services, and the country's revenues being applied to building and maintaining the infra-structure that society deems necessary in order to move about. There is a web-cam on the front page of the link in my signature line looking at our downtown area - best viewed in the afternoon due to alignment with the sun's path.

It's not too different here, really. Few Mexican teenagers are without their cellphones, X-Boxes, laptops, and the other trappings of society. When you look at their faces you find more smiles, more inner peace and tranquility. I believe when there is less government interference humanity takes on a somewhat different tone and the people are more carefree and friendly. I know some will point to the violence at our border, but keep in mind that is a reaction to some enforced taboos and the people working their way around those restrictions as people will attempt to live free despite their restrictions, and that is not always pretty. There is an outside evil that is arming these factions and setting them to confrontations. Here in the central highlands that is much less a factor and life truly is pretty. And we do have fun in a clean and wholesome way.

Please come, anytime.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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And not very good at this (Light Hearted)


uncyclopedia.wikia.com...



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Raivan31
As for being arrogant, find one of my posts where I have been so savegly anti American, your unlikely to because it is pointless. Cleary most of your country is incapable of humility



Rarely do you see someone disprove what they say at the starting of a statement by the end of the statement..that was pretty cool.


Its like saying: "Show me one instance where I am being rabidly anti-brazilian. You can't, because most brazilians are morons!"

Funny stuff. I sometimes wonder if people are just trolling as some sort of career.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by kennyb72
What I am getting at is, that America is very good at setting an example for both good or bad. It was your parents or grandparent who set the example for the world back then, but now its up to you guys. The way it stands now it looks as though the USA is in a headlong race to the bottom of depravity.

I would like to think that we always held at least a foot in there..not as a cultural standard mind you, but well, America isn't a native country..it is a import of all other world countrys working together..so, if its happening in some part of the world, it is also happening somewhere in the US. the concept of the states is a sort of mini globe with all the nations in a cardboard box and an experiment to see how well we can work together under one flag...some sort of divine one world government in a micro example...we have the most moralistic areas, and the most depraved areas...find what you want..but is the world reflecting america? I actually think not...I think America reflects the culture of the world mixed up in a bowl.



The most violent movies or games the most depraved porn (can't let those Europeans be more gross than we are) the most obscene weapons the most arrogant stance on foreign relations. If you guys just stopped buying this sh!t and demanded higher standards, then the market for violence and degrading entertainment would dry up.

Well, here is where I semi disagree.
Not about the violence...violence is extreme here, but more to the point, pointless violence is the issue. Violence should be something shocking, something that disgusts someone. When used in media forms, it should be something talked about as something a bit disturbing. I love me my video games, however I recognise that vid games and media in general tends to sensationalize and glamorize violence above all. Superheros are not those with amazing minds that can resolve issues through sheer brilliance, they are the ones with retractable claws, lazer eyes, etc...violence. As a hypocrite, I will shake my head at this entertainment, but also watch it...it is still one area we have an edge on (we still make damn good movies...but we need to refocus the message).
We need less independence day aliens and more ET aliens...(watched independence day last night...freaking awesome movie...but meh)
I have no opinion about the porn stuff...we don't hold a candle to germans still..I think actually the fact that america is still ashamed of breasts leads to a taboo culture though..England has bare chested women on your page 3 papers at the news stand that kids are allowed to get. This leads to them being less "pervy" overall...I think we need to stop being so prudish on the small stuff and in turn it may lead to less extreme thinking overall.


As leaders in trends that influence the rest of the world it is time to make a choice. Demand that you want more innocent entertainment where even the worst would still be suitable for your children.

Somewhere along the way, being decent became uncool.

I think I sort of disagree with you here.
I would say that this very new generation...the late teens, early 20s have some hope. I love my niece to death and so am good friends with her. she is 21 now. She is also Ms. Super popular and tends to have a wide circle of friends. I got to know these friends..and she hangs with all walks of life, from the urban hoodrat, to the jockish type, etc...there are no cliques with her..and beyond being young, I would say there is a upswing in manners and overall optimistic view in life. My issue is that, even though their "moral compass" seems to be better than when I was their age, they are turning out dumber...the education system seems to be doing well in social integration and adaption...at least here...but at the expense of quality education.

If I was paranoid, I would suggest they are designing people to be happy slaves

And I guess thats my problem overall..I see plenty of good intentions, love, and compassion with the new generation...comparably moreso than my days...but I am not seeing the glimmer of brilliance for future generations...this may be from endless distractions destroying focus...the thing that allows you to remove your bigotrys (the internet) is probably the same thing that is also weakening your innovation..and to me, that is a very big problem.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by daynight42
I used one measure (profit) to determine what we're good at. I answered the question whether you like the answers or not.


Good answers mind you.
But personally, I don't see profit...immediate profit anyhow as the qualifying factor of a nations success.
Although, something that will eternally be unprofitable is clearly not a successful venture.

Consider the internet...built to decentralize the government. Totally a non-profit venture. Same with nasa, and many other big builds and research.
Yet it paved the way for private enterprise and innovation to reach unparelled success.
The ipod or facebook is a good example to bring up. Neither are qualifiers in a nations success...just individuals success, but what the success here is, what they run on...the internet. the thing that was built with no real profit in mind but just something really big and great by the fed, then tossed to the people so endless innovation globally can come of it.

Thats what we need...we don't need government to build ipods, just the infrustructure for it to run on.

Government should be working hard and tossing billions into some new promising infrustructure that no corporation on earth will invest in due to it not being profitable...Building the medium for virtual reality, or some molecular building machines, etc...build it and we will make it profitable



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by uSNUUZuLUUz

What are we good AT?? Seriously, alot.
1.)...


Dude...

This is ATS.


It is considered Ill mannered, Arrogant, Rude, Self centered, Egotistical and basically all around poo pooed on for an "American" Yes! I said American. [Doesn't matter what a Canadian Border Agent believes or not] to defend himself. For example, We are supposed to give complete credit to the NAZI's for our space program. [Ignoring all the other critical & Uniquely American innovations] which made the journey to the moon possible because it doesn't fit the stereotypical internet Pop-Culture Voodoo version of events.

We cannot mention our contributions [even in the slightest] to the victory of WWII without some Euro-Centric jack wagon spewing some sort of Anti-American Rant about how most Americans believe "Hollywood's" version of events. Meanwhile many of us who come from a long line of Servicemen had first hand accounts from our Grandfathers and some Great Grandfathers of the fighting in Europe. My Grandfather fought in the Pacific as a US Marine [he wouldn't talk about it] Nor are we to mention ANYTHING possitive since the end of WWII to the present.

The Cold War apparently doesn't matter anymore since the largest percentage of the planet is basically free and now a majority of those are Democracies. Now aint that a shame? Communism bit the dust. The Cold War is over and we won. Get over it people. Free markets and Enterprise are flourishing. The vast majority of the planet now live with a much much higher standard of living than pre WWII periods thanks mostly to the US and it's Western Allies [Mainly Western Europe] But we as Americans are not allowed to take credit for our part because it is frowned upon as American ignorance and arrogance. Meanwhile and this is always funny. They'll oftentimes turn right around and spew how THEIR country did this or that just as vigorously and oftentimes with even more bravado than did the previous "American" poster.

Hypocrites...

They will drag out their flawed one sided version of events and time line omitting ANYTHING positive about US contributions. One in which people like Stalin, Mao, Castro and a few infamously known others are now "Folk Heros" Why? Because it is a coordinated effort by a simple minded few in an effort to make the US look as bad and evil as possible out of nothing more than wanting to spread their version of both History and Morality.

They drive around in their Cars or fly around from here to there feeling supreme in their misquoted beliefs yet give little or no credit to the likes of Henry Ford or the Wright brothers, always, all too often and willing to "Add" who invented "this or that first" Meanwhile, in reality it doesn't really effect anything about the overall thrust of Americas true contributions.

Many of them are chomping at the bit for China to become a "New Global Power" They are going to be in for one hell of a massive rude awakening. As bad as some feel the US has been [Most are probably under thirty] and have never seen the world the way it was or don't understand how it could be again. But, they'll learn soon enough.

Most of us mature intelligent Americans know full well what we've done both good and bad. Yet we are to sit here and are to be told all the evils we have done and that nothing we have accomplished is deserving of any real credit.

Screw that.

It's most likely some sort of grotesque psychological Penis Envy on their part...

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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totally agree......unfortunately I think the last 2 generations have been "purposely" dumbdowned and over medicated by the powers that be, to create indifference and passivity in mainstream society. Tell you what, if what we've been seeing over the last 10 years in this country had happened in the 60's or 70's.......you'd see Washington, DC being burned to the ground!

Peace!




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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It's more the ones who continually parrot how great the U.S. is without acknowledging the bad, in fact some even denying any bad at all, that annoys some international people. Not only that but usually those same people will do their utmost to drag down the country of origin of the people they are parroting to. I've seen this way to many times to believe it's a one-off thing that one or two morons got into their heads.

I will admit that it get's on my nerves too, but I certainly don't believe this applies to all Americans. It's just that those who it does apply to all seem to have swallowed microphones at birth and cannot be ignored, so we address them instead.
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Brilliant reply!




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Here here! Preach it Brother!

I agree with the post in it's entirety, but feel the following deserves additional commentary:


Originally posted by SLAYER69

Many of them are chomping at the bit for China to become a "New Global Power" They going to be in for one hell of a massive rude awakening. As bad as some feel the US has been [Most are probably under thirty] and have never seen the world the way it was or don't understand how it could be again. Most of us mature intelligent Americans know full well what we've done both good and bad. Yet we are to sit here and are to be told all the evils we have done and that nothing we have accomplished is deserving of any real credit.

Screw that.


Now, to be fair, when you and I were younger, the mantra was to "not trust anyone over 30". Everyone over 30 was going around saying "kids these days!' which had been the going thing in the over 30 crowd since at least the days of Socrates, and likely will be for the forseeable future. They even coined a term for it back then, called it the "Generation Gap".

Now we're on the other side of that gap, having climbed the mountain, and are looking back wondering if any of those under 30 laggards are going to even make it to the gap, much less through it. I guarantee some of them will - after all, we are the stock they come from!

You know, when I was a teenager, my dad and his cohorts were all, to a man, absolute idiots. I never could figure out how they survived as long as they did. The funny thing is, the older I get, the smarter HE gets. He died several years ago, but even to this day I hear his voice from time to time, and marvel at the wisdom there - which wasn't there at all when I was a teenager. Being dead, I doubt that he's the one who has changed.

So too, somewhere down the road, some of these now telling us how we know nothing, and how they have far more experience of the world than we, will sit down as the smoke clears after yet another of their battles, wipe the sweat and grime from their eyes, light up a smoke (or whatever it is they'll be allowed to do to relax by then) and secretly think to themselves "How'd those old farts get so smart after they died?"

It's the way of the world, and some of them will make it. The ones who do will look with a jaundiced eye at the new, upcoming generation, and wonder if any of them will survive their own stupidity.

Most now laud the theories of communism, stating emphatically that "that's real communism!" and claim it ain't so bad, having never had the experience of dealing with the reality of it as it shakes out. They Idolize Che, Fidel, Lenin, Mao, and not a one of them are old enough to have lived through those days, and seen the reality of it as applied on the ground.

They want China for the new World Overlord? Good on 'em. Live and learn... and some of them will. Perhaps "their" adversary hasn't been selected yet, perhaps it has, but in any event they will find it, and some will prevail. It may well be something they praise now as the best thing since sliced bread, but they'll learn through the school of hard knocks, just as generations before have.

Their kids will live the same cycle, as will their grandchildren, ad infinitum, because few if any young people are capable of actually listening to older folks and learning by the experiences of others. Kids have to make their own mistakes.

So then, let' em rant and rave. Just smile and nod, and know that some day, YOU too will be a genius.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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As much as I dislike our current foreign foreign policy I have to say that I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, SLAYER. My family is full of noble yet humble men who fought out of sincerity of heart and for all the right reasons. And that includes sacrificing their lives in some instances just so a human brother/sister in another country would have a chance at freedom.

Of course, it's more complicated than that these days--evil abounds--but it's not the fault of those quiet Americans who followed their conscience. Coming from such honorable folk, I also feel it's my duty to combat injustice wherever I see it...even if that means that which is "whacked" in my own government.

We have pulled other nations bacon out of the fire more than once. It's true. The World, however, is dichotomous and that's a reflection of us individuals: Nobility and Selfishness residing in the same body.

Let's not get caught up in nationalism--that's about governments--but rather the brotherhood of man. Give credit where it is due and dissent where it's deserved.

The Space Program? When all is said and done: That's an American flag up there no? Yes.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Resources and the ability to harvest them.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
One other good thing the US does is label their highway exits and give some warning when these turn-offs are coming up, Mexico not so much. It gets worse as you go further south and with a few exceptions doesn't get much better again until around Argentina or so.


...true about usofa signage - except for chicago... someone with dsylexia or a really sick sense of humor hung their signs... they take you around the world to get to the next block... i dont mind taking the long way around or a scenic route except when i'm on a schedule and that was usually the case with me and chicago...

...proof that they're a strange bunch up there is that the lobby of the petro has a massive kodiak bear standing up on its hind legs, mouth wide open, arms in "grab you" position... thats so wrong that i dont have a polite word for it, lol... maybe things have changed since i was there last (10yrs ago) but i'm not interested in finding out cuz the last time i was leaving chicago i ended up in indiana and that was not my plan (teasing again, sorta kinda)...

...and bill-boards - we're real good at mucking up beautiful views with advertising...

...and spending millions upon millions widening our highways, only to have to do it again 10-20yrs later... i used to think that somebody in charge of planning had no concept of future population growth but, then, i grew up and realized it was all about securing future contracts...


Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
That sort of travel is a great passport for adventure, which can be a good thing. Being here has certainly changed my perspective about the ways of the world, and that is a good thing.


...yep, yep, yep - totally agree...


Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
In our brief conversation I suspicion you were already more enlightened than myself in these regards.


...not really... my experience is mostly limited to the usofa, with short hops into canada and mexico... in the late 50s and early 60s, i lived in bermuda (dad was in the air force)... the social issues (racist / class based) there were no different from what i'd already been exposed to...

...was a beautiful place to live and i have a lot of good memories... when we're daydreaming, my older sister tries to talk me into going back for a visit but she cant get past my phobias with planes and ships - so we have to wait til they build a bridge, lol... that'd be a helluva trip, huh?...


Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
I believe America overall, the American people especially, could benefit from a larger world view. Things are not always as they appear when viewing the world through the Hollywood facade as I was accustomed to seeing it.


...thats true of some... i dont know if its true of most... could be true of people everywhere but not just because of hollyweird... religion was the most influential controlling factor long before hollywood was even an idea... controlling the masses via religion started to lose its grip when newspapers came along, then mass-produced books, radio and music moved us a little further away from archaic dominence... the internet certainly has had an impact and its more good than bad, imo...


Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
I might suggest when your trek takes you to the central part of Mexico you swing into the highlands for a part of the journey, the weather is much nicer here for one thing. You could find me right around the geographical center of this strange land. I would hope you could take some time out to look us up and and get treated to a little tour of our pueblos magicos. It could add color and depth to how you view the rest of your trip.


...thx... if i get to make my "desire sketch" come true, i'll do that... btw, my down one side and up the other idea is just a loose description... i have to go inland to see most of the things on my list... ideally, the whole trip would take a year (at least) cuz i wanna wander a lot - see and meet the real people, not just those at tourist destinations...


Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
There is a web-cam on the front page of the link in my signature line looking at our downtown area - best viewed in the afternoon due to alignment with the sun's path.


...beautiful town... and thx for the link to that board - saved it to my favs so i can read there...



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Sat, I don't feel like I'm on a sinking ship. Do you really, honestly?
I think we are in one of many, many bad patches. No doubt things are crappy, but they have been much much worse. The Civil War? The Great Depression? Much worse than any of us have ever known.

It will take a while to dig out of this mess, but have a little faith. We will.

And what are we the best at? Without question, we have the best cheeseburgers.

And we are, most of us, not without HOPE. Many other countries are without hope.
We have that. And we have an abundance of resources to improve our lives. If we could just figure out how to best use them.
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