As U.K. Releases UFO Files, Former UFO Project Chief Apologizes For 'Spin And Dirty Tricks' (Exclu, page 1


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Topic started on 17-8-2011 @ 10:33 AM by skunknuts
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Wow, I was blown away by this article. Nothing super crazy (except for mention of a mile long ship being reported by multiple pilots lol), but just a very sober sounding compendium of how the UK dealt with the 'UFO problem.'

Not that there aren't 'nuts' in the UFO field, but this is pretty telling:

"I'm a little bit apologetic about this because obviously, when I was in MoD, I had to play this game myself. To really achieve our policy of downplaying the UFO phenomenon, we would use a combination of 'spin and dirty tricks.' "We used terms like UFO buffs and UFO spotters -- terms that mean these people are nut jobs. In other words, we were implying that this is just a very somewhat quaint hobby that people have as opposed to a serious research interest." But Pope said the ridicule policy went much further than that. "Another trick would be deliberately using phrases like 'little green men.' We were trying to do two things: either to kill any media story on the subject, or if a media story ran, insure that it ran in such a way that it would make the subject seem ridiculous and that it would make people who were interested in this seem ridiculous." WATCH: Pope further admits that he may have been the one who drafted actual MoD statements that contributed to the ridicule policy. "If it was my words, then I apologize, I'm very sorry for that. I believe in open government and freedom of information. I believe that the UFO phenomenon does raise important defense, national security and air safety issues, and if I helped kill any initiative on that, I'm deeply sorry." Some U.K. cases were apparently easier than others in trying to make them seem non-credible. Like the file that describes UFOs reported at the June 2003 Glastonbury Music Festival. "It was very easy to find an incident where something is seen at an event like a rock concert," Pope noted. "You don't even need to say a thing without the public or media perception being that drugs and alcohol might have played a part. It was all part of the way in which we spun the subject, to try and discredit it."



Also, what is this about?


A file from 1993 (while Pope was chief of the UFO Project) describes how European Union funds had been wasted on a report that included a theory that aliens had established a base in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.



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reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 10:42 AM by wildapache
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make total sense to me!this would explain why no scientist will risk his career or his credibility looking into the UFO problem seriously.


reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 10:48 AM by skunknuts
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That true, but don't forget that the most recent files have yet to be released. Somewhat interesting that they are holding it back.


reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 10:51 AM by Acidtastic
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I saw Nick Pope speak at a UFo day thingy a couple of years ago, he said that the bulk of what was left to be released was mainly FOI requests from people asking when the files will be released. I have no idea how true this is, but that's what he said. So don't expect too much from the last few batches to be released.


reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 10:58 AM by skunknuts
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Ah, well that would be somewhat disappointing....Of course, the real knowledge is held above the PR people anyway....

So, did Pope seem like a credible guy in person?


reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 11:00 AM by Acidtastic
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Ah, well that would be somewhat disappointing....Of course, the real knowledge is held above the PR people anyway....

So, did Pope seem like a credible guy in person?
Yeah he kind of did, he answered any questions which came his way, even those which questioned his own agenda for doing what he's doing. Again, no idea if he was telling the truth, but he seemed ok.


reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 12:34 PM by remymartin
The archives are still free to download, dont now how long for though.

ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk...

Right click on the files and save as.

Ive got them but not much new in them really.
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reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 12:39 PM by TrixXxtaR
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Nice little read, thanks!

I always thought that Nick Pope was a bit devious back in the day, though he's certainly helped the progression of Ufology since leaving the MoD. I mean c'mon, who better to have on your side than a former MoD employee spilling the beans on how they cover this stuff up..




reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 02:57 PM by Kandinsky
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Some U.K. cases were apparently easier than others in trying to make them seem non-credible. Like the file that describes UFOs reported at the June 2003 Glastonbury Music Festival. "It was very easy to find an incident where something is seen at an event like a rock concert," Pope noted.


I was at Glasto that year and might have seen the UFOs he mentions. We were watching the Super Furry Animals on the Pyramid Stage and the people around us started pointing up and swearing. As we looked up, a group of lights slowly moved against the night sky. It was a genuine 'WTF moment' and there was something magical to it all. They stopped moving and just hovered there for a few moments before moving on in the same direction.

The wonder passed and we carried on watching the Furries before moving on to catch the end of the Radiohead set.

Later on, we saw some people sending up Chinese lanterns, made from bags, from the Green Fields and I think that was what we had seen. If it was lanterns, they'd been joined together because they moved at the same time and didn't drift apart like they usually do.

It's put a smile on my face remembering it and not expecting to see that it got reported.


reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 08:59 PM by simone50m
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Yup, I was looking at his Facebook profile, and he proudly shows that he is a "Neoconservative Democrat" "hawkish on defense and foreign policy".
Really surprised me, I woulda figured him for someone kinder-and-gentler.

9-11 IS AN INSIDE JOB tricky Nicky.
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