The book of morman - *shakes head*

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posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 07:42 AM
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The book of morman, of the church of latter day saints - supposedly, a conman interpreted this book from gold slabs given to him by an angel. Where are these slabs now? Has anyone seen them? Is there a picture of them? When was it written? Why did God wait so long to make this book if it is legit? All those poor souls that died before this book was written were misled?

Sure it is one thing to take writings out of the bible we have today by the old roman catholic church, but to make a new one? And 12 million people follow this? Why?

hmmm...




posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 07:50 AM
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I agree with you crazy. dumb, dumb, dumb.


But I feel all Faith is the same, it was made because persons taught there needed to be change. Change can always been done with god.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 08:00 AM
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South Park had a VERY nice episode on this subject.

Supposedly a white native american angel appeared to Joseph Smith and told him where to dig for the golden tablets and the seer stones and that Native Americans were originally white but God turned them redish for being bad. Then he dug em up and told everybody about them. He then supposedly asked some dude to record what he read from the golden tablets out of a hat. The dude tried to see if he was telling the truth by hiding the copy of reading and saying he lost it. Then Joseph Smith said that he wasnt allowed to read from the first golden tablet again and had to read from another one, so the story will be a little bit off. And everybody believed him.

I didnt think Id find something as stupid as the story of christ until I saw this. How can people not see that this is 1 big lie??



[Edited on 19-8-2004 by dreamlandmafia]



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 08:24 AM
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I wonder how the Natives from this nation takes that part of the story of Joseph Smith, I will feel very offended if were a Native American.

The way I see it is if you do something in the name of the lord and do it with conviction is always people out there that will follow you blindly.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 02:31 PM
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Here it is:


"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticting unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it and it was done."
(2 Nephi 5:21-23)



:shk:



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 02:46 PM
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So this mean that if you believe this,

the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities

It means that anybody with dark skin ( I am tan Puerto rican) it means that we are comdemn by the lord?

What a joke, now I see were the white surpremacy may had come from, what a joke ha, ha, ha,



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 02:48 PM
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The church of ladder day saints? I just don't get it! Are they all short or something that they can't reach the top shelf and so worship elevation devices? Why don't they all just wear platform shoes?










I'll show myself out.:bnghd:



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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Its just one of the biggest cult's maskarading as a real religous body. If you look at the actions of mormons it all makes sense. Why do they have families of 12+? Because easiest way to indoctronate someone is when they are young.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 03:25 PM
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Agent, just remember, every "religion" starts out as a cult until it gets enough followers to be called a "religion." Look no further than Christianity. :-D

I'd say that when you have about 50-100 million followers, maybe the rest of the world will start calling it a religion, lol.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 04:38 PM
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True but one cant help but look at how the book of morman came about , and how if you masturbate you won't attain the highest level of heaven and realize it has the great trappings of a cult.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Agent47
True but one cant help but look at how the book of morman came about , and how if you masturbate you won't attain the highest level of heaven and realize it has the great trappings of a cult.


Don't you love modern mythology? This site is probably the best site for early mormon church history and doctrine. The site is maintained by a former mormon who lost his faith once he actually investigated his church's origins.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by EmbryonicEssence
I'd say that when you have about 50-100 million followers, maybe the rest of the world will start calling it a religion, lol.



Zionist websites and media purport that there are only 15,000,000 Jews in the world. By this reasoning Judaism does not a religion make.



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 10:06 PM
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The following was said by member of the Roman Catholic Church concerning Mormons:

"You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You dont even know the strength of your position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong; if you are right, we are wrong; and thats all there is to it. The Protestants havent a leg to stand on. For, if we are wrong, they are wrong with us, since they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we have the apostolic succession from St. Peter, as we claim, there is no need of Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonisms attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the gospel in latter days.

[Edited on 8/22/2004 by petey_pongo23]



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 10:51 PM
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Let's not forget you have to give them like 6% of something of your PAYCHECK.......Now if this isn't a scam, I don't know what it is......

12 million gulilble people in America, and i'm sure their's millions more.......:shk:

like spittincobra said "dumb, dumb, dumb"



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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Tithing is constituted as 10%, and not everyone pays it. It is a commandment of the Lord, not of the Church. You don't go to Hell for not paying it, but there are faithful members that have recieved blessings because they pay their tithing. It is remarkable the good fortune that can befall you when you are doing what you feel to be right.

Also, the tithing is along the ideal of charity in that it should be given for the right reasons. Giving to expect good fortune is fruitless. However, there are blessings to be had from paying a regular tithing from what I have heard.

Also, it beats the heck out of a paid clergy. Should mankind have a paid salary to spread the Word of God? Also, should there be a public giving of money where the congregation battles over who gives more, because you know people are looking at what you give. In tithing it is done moreless in privacy, and in the LDS Church their is no paid clergy. Even the prophet Gordon B. Hinckley is not paid with a monetary salary.



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by petey_pongo23
Also, it beats the heck out of a paid clergy. Should mankind have a paid salary to spread the Word of God? Also, should there be a public giving of money where the congregation battles over who gives more, because you know people are looking at what you give. In tithing it is done moreless in privacy, and in the LDS Church their is no paid clergy. Even the prophet Gordon B. Hinckley is not paid with a monetary salary.


Not entirely accurate. While the bishops, stake presidents, etc. are not paid - the heirarcy makes out like bandits. The General Authorities receive salaries, allowances, and are paid as board members for the various church-owned businesses. Hinckley's own penthouse in SL is estimated to be worth around 3 million dollars, all paid for out of tithing funds.

BTW - This is not a new feature, it all started back during the early days of the LDS church. Smith's first "patriarch" was his own father, who charged members a dollar a blessing. :shk:



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 11:58 PM
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Of all the religious texts I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Koran are the least compelling and I am left scratching my head as to how any one can find legitimacy in them.

Given the era in which the Book of Mormon was "translated" it would make a lot more sense that it would read much more like Nathaniel Hawthorne than a cheap imitation of 17th century English.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 12:26 AM
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Why don't some of y'all go over to ATS and reply to the three topics that I started. Y'all have something to say about just about everything, and nobody else is commenting. I'd like to see what y'all have to say...



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 08:30 PM
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I began as a Mormon. Nothing delighted me more as a child than singing in Primary, or learning the lessons of holy books.

I loved my faith, and I left it only to gain higher knowledge.

Upon my return, I found even higher knowledge waiting for me, hidden.

However, because my eyes were open, I saw my people for the first time.

I understood that the book of mormon was a book revealed by angels, and a fiction received to express a spritual truth and a mystery. The wonderful thing is that these revelations in the book of mormon ARE true, or at least the spiritual truths are. The names are inventions, along with the details. But Smith was a genuine prophet, one that I particularly love. his genius was in understanding how to build a faction and a religion for his beloved nation.

There are pleny of detractors out there challenging the words of the BOM. Of course! The work is a fictional analogy. The names and places are made up. Yet the Spritual truth is a wonderful revelation. No one knew back in the 1820's of the connections between the old world and the pre-columbian nations. Yet here they are today. Smith was channeling! He was America's first prophet.

I don't want to quarrel with bible thumpers. The BOM is not a bible. The mormon religion is building its own mystery, they are forming their own families. How successful they are is another matter! I love my people, even if they cast me out and hate me, and judge me harshly. Yet I will remain faithful.

Mormons have built their own angel combination, which is what Jesus built with his own people. However, upon sampling their wares, I didn't find what they built to be superior to anything, it was mingled with the world to a very large extent. They have become a very rich people, and maintaining this wealth requires a frame of mind that is generally incompatible with the Christ.

So I am forced to say to my people, where have you planted these vines?

Indeed, Mormonism has become mature, and powerful, and they have built quite a powerful angelic combination among themselves. It has nothing to do with the BOM, they want to form a power and authority unto themselves. This is what the lower powers did. If you have studied Gnostisicm, you will understand the danger in this. They are quite far from Christ, yet he has increased them because they keep bearing the fruit he really likes. But I am looking at the whole tree! I won't judge it yet. It's still bearing yummy fruits.

Perhaps that's the real lesson about the Mormons.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Arkaleus
However, because my eyes were open, I saw my people for the first time.


Arkaleus - are you a Jeffs or a Kingston?


I understood that the book of mormon was a book revealed by angels, and a fiction received to express a spritual truth and a mystery. The wonderful thing is that these revelations in the book of mormon ARE true, or at least the spiritual truths are. The names are inventions, along with the details. But Smith was a genuine prophet, one that I particularly love. his genius was in understanding how to build a faction and a religion for his beloved nation.


The first half of this section is apostasy since Moromon's believe that the BOM is the word of god as received by Smith. In fact Mormon's believe that it is more accurate than the bible itself.

As to the rest Smith was never a prophet but a con man and a pedophile, pure and simple.



There are pleny of detractors out there challenging the words of the BOM. Of course! The work is a fictional analogy. The names and places are made up. Yet the Spritual truth is a wonderful revelation. No one knew back in the 1820's of the connections between the old world and the pre-columbian nations. Yet here they are today. Smith was channeling! He was America's first prophet.


More apostacy - you've got to be a fundamentalist or old school mormon. And there is no connection between the old world and pre-columbian nations - the DNA isn't even close.


I love my people, even if they cast me out and hate me, and judge me harshly. Yet I will remain faithful.


An excommunicated fundamentalist?

The mormon religion is a sick joke that has been going on for over 150 years. It amazes me that some of my dearest friends still remain loyal to such a sad religion that sees people of color as being sub-human. That is until the feds threatened to revoke their tax-exempt status.

That condemns the actions of Islam, but yet treats its own women as lesser beings.

A religion that refuses to accept that one of their holy books, the Book of Abraham, is actually an egyptian funery text and has nothing to do with Abraham at all.

A religion that still tolerates the practice of polygamy although it is simply not discussed.

Arkaleus - my heart goes out to you, someone has certainly sold you a bill of goods that isn't worth the paper it was written on.

I hope you will take a look at these sites:
The failed prophecies of Joseph Smith

People of Color and the LDS church

Smith and Polygamy





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