Ron Paul Wins The ATS Straw Poll!

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
This just shows that this site is just as naive and silly as the people who elected Obama. Im going to give you some quotes by Ron him self, and if this doesnt scare him away from you, then Im very scared for this country.

TR: “Under President Paul, if Iran invades Israel, what do we do?”
RP: (amused) “They're not going to: That's like saying 'Iran's about to invade Mars'”.

I forgot, Iran likes Israel. Its not like they have spoke hundreds of times about wiping them off the planet. (oh wait they have) This isnt fantasy land.


I guess I dont have the luxury or pleasure to live in a fantasy world with the rest of you or to see how the world works through your eyes. Keep thinking he is the answer and give him all your support, because I will bet my left arm, he doesnt win.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke






I love his answer. If Iran attacked Israel, Israel would turn iran to glass. It is very simple, and why Iran wants the bomb, because at it is right now, Iran is cornered and I am sure very worried that there might not be an Iran much longer. That is why they want the bomb, self preservation. I don't blame them either.




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
1 "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the ‘criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. — Printed In Ron Paul’s Newsletter (but not written by him)"


Oh, wow. See, this is what we're up against people. We need to counter these Establishment talking points EVERYWHERE we encounter them...

This is what Dr. Paul meant with the above statement, he was referring to the fact that black males are treated unfairly in the criminal justice system...


Repeal most federal drug laws; blacks are treated unfairly
Q: If you are elected president in 2008, what positive and significant legacy, if any, will you leave for Black Americans?

A: I would like to believe that if we had a freer society, it would take care of Blacks and whites and everybody equally because we’re all individuals. To me, that is so important. But if we had equal justice under the law, I think it would be a big improvement. If we had probably a repeal of most of the federal laws on drugs and the unfairness on how Blacks are treated with these drugs laws, it would be a tremendous improvement. And also, I think that if you’re going to have prosperity, it serves everybody. And if this is done by emphasizing property rights and freedom of the individuals, making sure that the powerful special interests don’t control Washington, that the military industrial complex doesn’t suck away all the wealth of the country, and then we would have prosperity.
www.ontheissues.org...




2 "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action. — Printed In Ron Paul’s Newsletter (but not written by him)"


Probably referring to the fact that welfare for those not disabled is unfair, and affirmative action is racist. Read above again..."I would like to believe that if we had a freer society, it would take care of Blacks and whites and everybody equally because we’re all individuals."



TR: “Under President Paul, if Iran invades Israel, what do we do?”
RP: (amused) “They're not going to: That's like saying 'Iran's about to invade Mars'”.

I forgot, Iran likes Israel. Its not like they have spoke hundreds of times about wiping them off the planet. (oh wait they have) This isnt fantasy land.


Israel is MORE than capable of defending themselves. They don't need us, but of course they would probably rather we spend OUR money and risk the lives of OUR troops to do what they can easily do themselves. He supports Israel's right to take out Iran's nuke program if they truly feel threatened. And unlike EVERY other candidate, his record shows that to be true...


Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 and — unlike the United Nations and the Reagan administration — defended its right to do so. He says Saudi Arabia has an influence on Washington equal to Israel’s. His votes against support for Israel follow quite naturally from his opposition to all foreign aid.
www.nytimes.com...


Do some research for yourself, you'll see he is the ONLY candidate that truly cares about this nation.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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You know guys, I have seen many people here saying.I will vote for Ron Paul......If the GOP nominates him.


Here is the thing,you can vote for him regardless of who the GOP nominates for their candidate.

If you want Ron Paul as your president.You vote for him via write in.

That goes for all here who voted for him in this poll.... Just remember that....

I don't know that the 12,000 or whatever votes that went to Paul here,would make much of a difference in the actual election,but it can't hurt either.

Think about it.

Do a Write in.

The two party system is not that hard to get around. We just have to vote for some one else.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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I've heard that if he doesn't get the Republican nomination, he may run as an Independent (in which case Jesse Ventura said he'd be his running mate if asked). Either way, the best case is for him is to get the Republican nomination...then, he CAN'T be ignored. I'd love to see the media try to ignore the other candidate in a two way election. We should ALL register (temporarily) as Republican to vote him in the primaries...I know the establishment will try and block that, but we need to stack things against them overwhelmingly.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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I wont try to stop you from your views, no matter how much I disagree. But I do know one fact. Ron Paul will never win.

Most current Rasmussen Poll:
Perry 29%, Romney 18%, Bachmann 13%



I dont see Ron Paul anywhere.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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First off- Whooo go Ron Paul!!


Every morning I get Ron Paul updates from his website sent to my e-mail. This morning I sent an e-mail back telling whoever recieves it, that they need to check out the ATS poll. Why you ask? So, they can get a better understanding of what the people like/dont like about Dr. Paul. Also for the same reason to check out what the people like/ dont like about the other canidates. Im sure Dr. Paul has a team of people drugging through piles and piles of surveys, but maybe someone on his team will take note of this one.


Another member stated that he would vote for Ron Paul even if he had to write him in.
How awsome would it be if (God forbid) Ron doesnt win the primaries yet still won the presidential election by write in's. That would be the biggest Bi*ch slap ever to TPTB!!



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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If you can assume the BBC to be neutral in this, given their summary of the major players, and particularly that of Ron Paul, if he didn't win a poll on this site he may as well stop now...

www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Ron Paul didn't just win the straw pole, he obliterated it. He has five times as many votes as all the other candidates combined! Honestly with the public support I have seen behind Ron Paul, if he doesn't win it will crush my faith in our electoral system.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
I wont try to stop you from your views, no matter how much I disagree. But I do know one fact. Ron Paul will never win.


Those aren't my views, those are facts. What do you disagree with? That the justice system is broken? That the war on drugs is failed and unconstitutional? That Ron Paul supported Israel's right to defend itself, when the rest of the U.S. government didn't?

As for you're knowing he won't win, I find that strange. Care to share your inside knowledge with us? Do you guys have a 'plan B' so to speak? Otherwise, you don't have a crystal ball, and since you want another Establishment candidate to win, I would venture to guess you haven't been paying attention to the groundswell of support Dr. Paul is getting.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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No matter how many votes..they will not allow him 2 be pres.US elections and we,the people,are rigged



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
How about a poll asking if Paul ran against Obama today who would you vote for., just out of curiosity.

Or you could include all the candidates.
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Oh, and ask how many people that voted for Obama would now vote for Paul,



Adding how many like Paul because of his stand on Israel?
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by AstroD
No matter how many votes..they will not allow him 2 be pres.US elections and we,the people,are rigged


Well, it's time to really put that to the test. If we can get enough support, we can force their hand and make them do something stupid...then I suspect people will REALLY wake up, and bring the house of cards down.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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As a Canadian I am seriously confused by the statement "I can't partake because I'm not republican"
Is this some sort of legally biding club that you belong to? and therefore not able to vote for who you truly believe will drag your country (and ours, because we are connected at the hip so to speak) out of the dumpster?

Or is this a choice you make based on a label (or engrained in your head from an early age)? that in this day and age has no connection to what the person in question truly believes in? (left -right is a lie)

Watching the political struggle down there is like watching ET, the debates are a joke...scripted answers to scripted questions with marginal differences between all. The only person worth listening to without laughing is RP who seems truly committed to the American people. However, the counter arguments to his ideas are hilarious, fear induced tantrums comparable to the failed captain of the high school football team who finally realizes he's going nowhere in life and screams out "IT'S NOT FAIR!!"



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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It would be great to see a poll on the affects of a grass roots effort to vote all sitting members of congress and the senate out for the next 3 elections and then the proposed legistature changes that should be demanded such as term limits, having to have the same benefits and rights as the average american, and how that would impact lobby groups, campaign finance and America's health in general.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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His interpretation of the Middle East is scary, and is not factual but opinion. It is a very delusional view I might add. I would vote for the guy on everything else other than his views on Foreign Policy. This is what scares me the most. Case in point, IRAN.

There is no crystal ball, no plan b like many conspirators lose precious time and life thinking that there is, no insider information......just common sense. Something most people are born with. I don’t go off of polls by an ATS website. Not the most credible. I use a vast majority, starting with current polls done and completed by respected institutions. Not ATS. So if your excited about this poll, don’t be.
It means nothing.

Start with Rasmussen, then move to Gallup, and work yourself down. Explore, expand, and think outside of one source of information.



Again! I will repeat "GOP Primary: Perry 29%, Romney 18%, and Bachmann 13%"

Ron Paul was at a pathetic 9%, only three points above Herman Cain

.www.rasmussenreports.com... chmann_13



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by something wicked
If you can assume the BBC to be neutral in this, given their summary of the major players, and particularly that of Ron Paul, if he didn't win a poll on this site he may as well stop now...


We certainly cannot assume that, given these little gems, it's quite obvious they aren't neutral...


Some of his backers also became known for espousing far-out conspiracy theories, such as the suggestion the US government was behind the 11 September 2001 terror attacks, tainting his movement in the eyes of the mainstream Republican electorate.

Mr Paul, 75, announced his candidacy in May in remarks that mixed anti-war cries with arguments for the legalisation of heroin and the end of federal flood and disaster insurance programmes.


"Some of his backers" aren't him. He has never once suggested the US government was behind 9/11. He also has NEVER mentioned heroin once, EVER. His position is to stop throwing people in jail for addiction, and crimes with no victims. His position is that it's not the federal government's job to tell us what we can put into our bodies. As for federal disaster insurance, that should be privatized, and people who choose to continue living in tornado alley, or on the coast in hurricane prone areas should pay for their insurance, or have individual state funded insurance programs that they can all pay into through state taxes. It's extremely unfair that we should ALL pay for others to keep rebuilding in the path of monsters.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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i don't know how conclusive this is. we might need a recount.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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I'm voting for anyone who has a strong record against illegal immigration. That's my "hot button issue". My wife (British) just got her U.S. citizenship, and we've done everything LEGALLY.

I like everything Ron Paul talks about, but he's been given an "F" by NumbersUSA and that's enough for me to NOT vote for him. Of the candidates left, Bachmann has the best grade. Since Pawlenty dropped out, that leaves Herman Cain as the next in line. I'll be voting for Herman Cain.

NumbersUSA 2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Score Card



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Right, Rasmussen and Gallop are probably more reliable than ATS, because they're part of the Establishment media. And we all see how the Establishment media gives Dr. Paul a fair shake.


It's sad that you allow your desire to be world police to be the ONE thing that stops you from voting RP. You do know we can't afford it anymore, right? So, the middle east will soon be without our interference, one way or the other. I would prefer it be with a strong U.S., as opposed to another failed and collapsed empire. But, that's just me I guess. On a side note, you do know that after 9/11, RP passed legislation to hire bounty hunters to take OBL, and Al Queda out the exact way he was finally taken out in the end? Only it would have been TRILLIONS of dollars cheaper, and thousands of U.S. soldiers would still be watching their children grow up.

Sorry, you can keep thinking your "common sense" is a crystal ball, but the movement is growing. We may, or may not win. But, we're gonna fight our @sses off.





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