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France and Germany Propose Unified European Government

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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From 2009, the infamous Red House report from 1944

www.dailymail.co.uk...


The paper is aged and fragile, the typewritten letters slowly fading. But US Military Intelligence report EW-Pa 128 is as chilling now as the day it was written in November 1944.

The document, also known as the Red House Report, is a detailed account of a secret meeting at the Maison Rouge Hotel in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944. There, Nazi officials ordered an elite group of German industrialists to plan for Germany's post-war recovery, prepare for the Nazis' return to power and work for a 'strong German empire'. In other words: the Fourth Reich.




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
From 2009, the infamous Red House report from 1944

www.dailymail.co.uk...


The paper is aged and fragile, the typewritten letters slowly fading. But US Military Intelligence report EW-Pa 128 is as chilling now as the day it was written in November 1944.

The document, also known as the Red House Report, is a detailed account of a secret meeting at the Maison Rouge Hotel in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944. There, Nazi officials ordered an elite group of German industrialists to plan for Germany's post-war recovery, prepare for the Nazis' return to power and work for a 'strong German empire'. In other words: the Fourth Reich.



I think alot of those news reports are fear mongering anti-Europeans agendas, they keep digging up stuff then report it with a slant in a different context to suit their own agenda.

What way politically does the daily mail swing?


edit on 17-8-2011 by JennaDarling because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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I know exactly what your saying regarding the 'divide and conquer' mentality thats been subliminaly engineered into modern society, When you see these people getting 'eggy' when they presume your 'badmouthing' there country, its just ludicrous, i can only imagine there the same people who get 'excited' when they hear a celebrity is in there country..........

People like this have no hope & it really upsets me that people still point and blame at whos fault it is, when in reality its all engineered from behind the scenes, for the exact purpose as to serve the hidden agenda that the uninitiated never see & therefore never have anyone to blame it on, in turn, blaming people who arent responsible at all, i.e So many brits are just straight up racist because we see a new article in The Daily Mail every week about how some Somalian family is being given a £1,000,000 house for free funded by the taxpayer, They dont stop & think 'wait a minute, why have they posted that as there front page story when we've got storys with only a small picture involving multiple people dieing' ? Its because they want you to see that story and get 'eggy' blame it on the immigrants, blame it on anyone except the ones responsible, this is how they operate and to the vast majority, it works perfectly, eat up what you are fed sheep. People dont even realise they dont have any of their own ideas, because there just so blinded by ignorance to there own brainwashing.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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What's your nationality JennaDarling?



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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no doubt 'pure bred 100% (insert country name here)



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by JennaDarling

Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ

Originally posted by JennaDarling

Originally posted by Vanishr
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Thats a nice paragraph you've wrote there, but what in anyway is it relevant to my comments ? none what so ever. I think you've missed the vital point i made very clear.


yes I am well aware Ireland's last bet for the country is on Tourism.

I am also aware why Dublin was EMEA HQ's for many companies, tax breaks, same in the UK, same anywhere really for large companies. That is the only reason they setup shop, that is the only reason they setup shop in Belfast too, tax breaks. lets not fool ourselves.

Once those tax breaks go away, those companies move on and the jobs go.

Frankly tourism will not save Ireland, not with its current debts, if your betting on lots of Yanks to go to Ireland on vacations, they cant afford it.


edit on 17-8-2011 by JennaDarling because: (no reason given)


Another ignorant comment, nobody mentioned tourism yet you bring it up

Anyway Irish exports are also performing strongly, you'll be glad to know.


Acutaly peopel I know working in Failte Ireland, tell me the government is banking on Toursm, they are getting huge investment drives to push it BIG Time.

Exported to where? Europe?


edit on 17-8-2011 by JennaDarling because: (no reason given)


Yes, Europe, the US, Britain and the rest of the world. They're rising despite the global recession

Also it makes sense to try and increase tourism, they are not banking on it though, it doesn't account for a large enough proportion of the economy, Irelands economy is more diverse than that


Yea it is, you lose my taxes and sales.

I get paid 3x what Ireland pays.

So your job will go to someone else who actually likes living here and doesn't have such a big problem with the country. At least wages have come down if what you're saying is true, we were overpaying people here.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Europe is anything but a passive culture. Europeans were once vigorous and expansionist. They strode the planet like giants and spread their superior culture to all corners of this planet. I for one am happy my ancestors displayed such cultural vigor for the minds of Europe gave birth the the nation I call home. And it is a good one.

In an act of cultural self-immolation and laboring under the burden of unearned guilt, Europe killed their God, defecated on their heritage, and fell for the deception of the communists and the muslims.

I have no doubt as the the ability of Europeans to defend themselves. It is only too bad that they are now the enemies of their own culture and unwittingly aiding the new culture of Europe: Islam.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by JennaDarling
 


Europe is anything but a passive culture. Europeans were once vigorous and expansionist. They strode the planet like giants and spread their superior culture to all corners of this planet. I for one am happy my ancestors displayed such cultural vigor for the minds of Europe gave birth the the nation I call home. And it is a good one.

In an act of cultural self-immolation and laboring under the burden of unearned guilt, Europe killed their God, defecated on their heritage, and fell for the deception of the communists and the muslims.

I have no doubt as the the ability of Europeans to defend themselves. It is only too bad that they are now the enemies of their own culture and unwittingly aiding the new culture of Europe: Islam.


"were once" yes but today it is more passive, especially the Nordic Union countries.

Yes central and eastern europe where destroying themselves, and Europe was made to bring peace, it worked.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Efficient? Big = unefficient IMO.

2nd line



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by metaldemon2000

I look forward to world govt and no countries and borders. This way im not limited to looking for employment in this stupid jobless country.




If you are from Canada as your info under your name suggests then I'm surprised to hear you say that about Canada as I've known at least half a dozen people in the last 18 months who've moved from here in the UK to Canada for a better life and others who want to and can't. Is it bad all over Canada or just where you are? When I say bad I mean in general, jobs, crime rates e.c.t

Anyhow, for the thread, it's bad enough that my Country (England) has to adhere to the craphole laws and regulations of the EU as it is. A single Euro government would be even worse, hope it doesn't happen.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Vanishr
reply to post by rexusdiablos
 


I know exactly what your saying regarding the 'divide and conquer' mentality thats been subliminaly engineered into modern society, When you see these people getting 'eggy' when they presume your 'badmouthing' there country, its just ludicrous, i can only imagine there the same people who get 'excited' when they hear a celebrity is in there country..........

People like this have no hope & it really upsets me that people still point and blame at whos fault it is, when in reality its all engineered from behind the scenes, for the exact purpose as to serve the hidden agenda that the uninitiated never see & therefore never have anyone to blame it on, in turn, blaming people who arent responsible at all, i.e So many brits are just straight up racist because we see a new article in The Daily Mail every week about how some Somalian family is being given a £1,000,000 house for free funded by the taxpayer, They dont stop & think 'wait a minute, why have they posted that as there front page story when we've got storys with only a small picture involving multiple people dieing' ? Its because they want you to see that story and get 'eggy' blame it on the immigrants, blame it on anyone except the ones responsible, this is how they operate and to the vast majority, it works perfectly, eat up what you are fed sheep. People dont even realise they dont have any of their own ideas, because there just so blinded by ignorance to there own brainwashing.


I concur with your insight on the matter. It's a blatant malfunction of cognition and void of any adept appreciation of the historical and current machinations of the international political landscape. It's nothing more than a multifaceted extension of the good ol' left/right paradigm. Rather than acknowledging the centralized cabal that's been orchestrating the economic collapse, the weak, fearful and grossly misinformed among us turn on their own and resort to nationalistic attack.

With our backs against the walls, many of us will reveal the caliber of our character, our place in humanity and the side of history under which we fall. Those resorting to feeble and irrationally venomous nationalistic attacks are tantamount to the hypothesis of panicked neurotic individual erratically taking it upon themselves to maim the potential escapees of a sinking ship. Misguided turncoats are like pornography. You just know it when you see it.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by rexusdiablos
What's your nationality JennaDarling?


Do we get an answer to this?

You enjoy throwing stones. Care to put your own country on the firing line?
edit on 17/8/2011 by rexusdiablos because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Would any of the individual states in the USA be willing to cede the entire control of their state to the Federal Government?

Didn't think so.

It's the same in Europe. Why would individual nations cede control of their countries to a central European Gov't over which they have little control?

Countries would lose their individual identities, and what's necessarily good policy in Germany may not be good policy in Italy, France, or the UK.

This idea MUST not be allowed to happen.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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Your countries exports to Europe wouldnt be so big if you where outside the EEA. Fact is, being inside the EEA HELPS your exports out of your local country.

If you where outside the EEA companies that dependant on exports to Europe, would find it very expensive and hard, and not be as competitive.

That also includes Exporting to the UK as it is in the EEA.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
Would any of the individual states in the USA be willing to cede the entire control of their state to the Federal Government?

Didn't think so.

It's the same in Europe. Why would individual nations cede control of their countries to a central European Gov't over which they have little control?

Countries would lose their individual identities, and what's necessarily good policy in Germany may not be good policy in Italy, France, or the UK.

This idea MUST not be allowed to happen.


But it has been proven that the local countries cannot control their own economy, they failed, and no it wasnt europe that caused it, infact the EEA saved it for many countries and their small businesses.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by ispyed
Funny they talk about long term "Political Solutions". If they want that they need to have permission from the various country's peoples to be democratic otherwise there is going to be more trouble on the streets. I don't think many countries outside of France and Germany want their economic policy dictated to by France and Germany

This also includes countries outside the EU such as Montenegro and Kosovo who both use the euro.


In their mind they allready have permission to whatever they want due to being elected. In Germany they didn't ask the people if they wanted to be part of the EU to begin with, since they knew that there was a good chance that the answer would be 'No!'. In several other countries there have been votes, some of which were 'No!' as well, so they held votings until the answer was 'Yes!'.

Funny enough lots of Germans feel, that their economic policy ( and several others ) is allready being dictated by the EU.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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In the era when countries were invading each other for the sake of domination and control, everyone was a patriot to their own land and nationality.

Today the entire world has been taken over by multi-national corporations. It doesn't matter what your nationality you are still beholden to the same set of boardroom despots. If you were to ask most people today what is honestly more important to them, their nationality or their paycheck, I think the answer would be the latter. If uniting under one political entity was more likely to ensure a stable paycheck, most people would probably go for it.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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You've raised some good points that are very valid to the discussion and the issue.

I would have to say that modern politics is just a farce, distraction, from the cabal operating behind the scenes, just like they always do. The politicians are faces to make the herd believe they can change something, because maybe they voted for the current guy, who will do the same as the last guy and the next guy, whatever the agenda is, they will all follow it, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron. All puppets, the first 2 especially, clearly david cameron is extremely incompetent but whether he is just a bafoon like Boris Johnson or not, he is still serving the agenda, Just look at his stance on the completely unecessary Libya conflict, jumped in feet first there didnt he, no problems we can keep dropping bombs worth half a mil each when the whole countrys in debt.................................




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by JennaDarling

Your countries exports to Europe wouldnt be so big if you where outside the EEA. Fact is, being inside the EEA HELPS your exports out of your local country.

If you where outside the EEA companies that dependant on exports to Europe, would find it very expensive and hard, and not be as competitive.

That also includes Exporting to the UK as it is in the EEA.


Well so it should, that was what the EU was supposedly set up for, to increase trade among member countries.

Why do you think Germany wants to 'save' Ireland on the other PIGS nations with bailouts? Its not out of the goodness of their hearts, its because they know if one country collapses then German banks will be on the hook for billions in losses, and the German exports will at the very least decrease.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
From 2009, the infamous Red House report from 1944

www.dailymail.co.uk...


The paper is aged and fragile, the typewritten letters slowly fading. But US Military Intelligence report EW-Pa 128 is as chilling now as the day it was written in November 1944.

The document, also known as the Red House Report, is a detailed account of a secret meeting at the Maison Rouge Hotel in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944. There, Nazi officials ordered an elite group of German industrialists to plan for Germany's post-war recovery, prepare for the Nazis' return to power and work for a 'strong German empire'. In other words: the Fourth Reich.



Enlighten me... What did you want to express with that link? That germany has a hidden agenda to take over europe? When the time is right nazis pop up everywhere (they developed that technique after they established their base on the dark side of the moon) to take control? I would expect something like this from the daily mail but not from someone who calls himself a scholar and a writer let alone a liberal Elite...




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