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France and Germany Propose Unified European Government

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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from sporatic reports and analysis on CNBC 'Squawk'...
the crux of the new leadership of a combined Germany-France is that the other 17 members of the Eurozone are to be required to make very significant budget cuts or else opt-out of the monetary & political union.


i see this as the French-German cooperation as them becoming the Federal government of the EU co-op which will have to obey the central planners... just as the 'independent' States in the USA follow the policies of the Federal government here.
Restructuring the EU is not the same as creating a NWO..
this political restructuring will be nnecessary for the restructuring of each individual Nations 'Debt'...
so that the pain is shared instead of the present situation where the Northern EU States are paying dearly for the lacksidasial Southern EU States who retire at 50 and spend their days at a leisurly pace while the Germans and Scandanavians toil till the cows come home.... to keep the system from drowning in debt. (IMHO)




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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I'm not concerned. The NWO can do whatever it wants.

Understand; they ultimately only have one hold over us, which is the power to kill us. Beyond that, they literally have nothing. The one way to resist, which can work, is to get to the point of not fearing them, because there really is nothing to fear. You're going to die one day anyway...we all are.

So don't be afraid of them. Ultimately, they have nothing.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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The more I hear of a NWO where there will only be 1 billion people left, or whatever other conspiracy is said, I have to sigh,...


Yes and the Scots paint themselves blue...
At least my statement has some historic accuracy.


The idea of "Global Governance" is alive and well. It is about a central government controlling everyone without input from the masses. A dictatorship in other words. The World Trade Organization and the United Nations FAO and OIE writing the farming regulations to be implemented here in the USA and in the EU come to mind. Not to mention international seed patenting and the IMF/World Bank SAPs.

These are the regs and market manipulation that wiped out 60% of the farmers in Portugal, 75% of the farmers in Mexico and are targeting one million farmers in Poland.

If you want to see how a large central bureaucracy actually works read up on the UK Foot & Mouth fiasco of 2001: www.warmwell.com...


As far as wiping out people goes. They do not have to worry about it. Not far from me is a company growing "Spermicidal Corn" originally developed by a California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Viking9019
No countries and borders? that would be like putting lions and tigers(races) into the same cage.

And then we'll end up with ligers, the horror!!!

Wait, why is that bad? Its not like its about joining say... Iran and America. Europeans has been in the same "cage" for decades now. Or grave, depending on how you look at it. Borders are pretty superficial.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Wait will this bring a war? I smell WW3 brewing



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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"Borders are", by serj tankian. GOOGLE IT it explains whats going on perfectly



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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It doesn´t matter anyway. This is just something to calm the Markets. As many have stated here,this wouldn´t work in the long run anyway.

What was said are just empty words,again,to calm down the Markets and to buy some more Time. A part of the Media and some Politicans here in Germany are calling it for what it is ; "All Talk with no Substance"

In the End,it doesn´t adress our current Problem,the worsening of the Debt Crisis,at all. This "Crisis Meeting" was just a huge waste of Time,and this BS Proposal nothing more than something for the Sheeple/Media to have something to talk about.

It doesn´t matter if they plan/propose something if its Years away. What good does it do if they say they are working on some Laws that get implemented in 2 or 3 Years which "could" fix a Problem we have now? Nothing,nothing at all.

They have to do something now. Not later,not in a few Years,NOW



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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But it has been proven that the local countries cannot control their own economy, they failed, and no it wasnt europe that caused it, infact the EEA saved it for many countries and their small businesses.



It was the blasted Central Bankers and their Fiat Currency/ Fractional Reserve banking who were responsible for the last Great Depression and are responsible for this Great Depression.

Without bankers to fund WARS using fiat currency, whether "Fractional Reserve" on a gold standard or straight out Bank Script, politicians would have to raise taxes sky high to pay for their little war games.

The population would SCREAM bloody murder about the taxes. Also unless you GAIN more resources that you expend in a war, war is an idiotic move.... UNLESS you are a banker or a Corporation making war machines.

Enter BANKERS.

Bankers through Fractional Reserve Banking allowed "Taxing" of the population through the mechanism of Wage Devaluation and Price Inflation. It also allowed the cost of the war to be spread over a long period of time. All done without the peasants realizing they were being REAMED

The US Dollar has lost 96% of its face value since the country was saddled with a Central Bank THANKS TO A GERMAN Trojan Horse called Paul Warburg.

The USA is STILL paying war debts from before most of us were born. Nixon had to go off the Gold standard because of war debts.

Add in the free trade agreements and you really tank the EU and USA economies. WTO was signed in 1995, China was admitted in 2001. Look at the export graph for the USA (probably similar to the EU's) negative numbers indicate an export of jobs and money.





posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Shenon
It doesn´t matter anyway. This is just something to calm the Markets. As many have stated here,this wouldn´t work in the long run anyway.

What was said are just empty words,again,to calm down the Markets and to buy some more Time. A part of the Media and some Politicans here in Germany are calling it for what it is ; "All Talk with no Substance"

In the End,it doesn´t adress our current Problem,the worsening of the Debt Crisis,at all. This "Crisis Meeting" was just a huge waste of Time,and this BS Proposal nothing more than something for the Sheeple/Media to have something to talk about.

It doesn´t matter if they plan/propose something if its Years away. What good does it do if they say they are working on some Laws that get implemented in 2 or 3 Years which "could" fix a Problem we have now? Nothing,nothing at all.

They have to do something now. Not later,not in a few Years,NOW


The only solution NOW is debt relief. No other way. CANCEL THE DEBTS!

There is no way small european states can pay off the debts. They do NOT have enough of resources or human capital to do so without ending up starved and enslaved to banksters.

Japan has a higher debt GDP ratio-200% and still is a major economy simply because:-
a) They japanese saved more than they spend, thus Japan banks are flushed with cash.
b.) They export more than they import, thus Japan economy has more foreign reserves.
c.) Their debtors are their own people thru the circulation of wealth, savings and bonds WITHIN their nation, and need not fear debtors calling.
Japan can survive, BUT NOT THE SMALLER EUROPEAN STATES.

EU banks will collapse, depositors and elites left high and dry. But the NATION can still function as they are still capable of economic activity such as trade and tourism. They do have an existing GDP, only that the funds are not enough to feed the people, let alone pay off those high debts when it is due with interests.

Thus, CANCEL THE DEBTS. Use GDP earnings to share the wealth with citizens, for some of those depositors are only the elderly hoping for a better retirement but unfortunately trusted cowboys to play with it to earn daily interests while paying a pittance to them for yearly interest using the elderly's funds.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Then you get to look for employment on a stupid jobless planet.

Yay! GO NWO! Looks like your willing slaves are lining up!



Of Course they are. It is a tried and true formula. The Hegelian dialectic: problem, reaction, solution.

Good grief All you have to do is look at history.

The Bankers collapsed the economy in the 1930's (Great Depression) and the US citizens accepted the "New Deal" and the major changes in the Supreme Court's mindset which trashed our Constitution.

Now we have an out of Control Central Government putting in place treaties that KNOWINGLY export jobs and money. Treaties that benefit the INTERNATIONAL Corporate Cartels and not Americans.


FDR versus Nine Old Men: Schechter v. United States



Stocked with philosophical and economic conservatives, the U.S. Supreme Court proved to be the most consistent opponent to President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal programs. In 1935 the Court struck down the National Recovery Administration (NRA) as an unconstitutional exercise of legislative authority by the executive branch. The NRA was supposed to work with labor and management to develop national wage, price, and production codes that would, theoretically, have systematized and rationalized prices and wages. The labor movement and large employers welcomed the NRA codes, but smaller companies resented the NRA’s interference in their business, the domination of big business, and the administrative complexity required by adherence to the NRA’s codes. In May 1935, the Supreme Court, in the case of Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, invalidated the NRA and the legislation that created it. The lengthy, unanimous opinion, excerpted here, demonstrated the U.S. Supreme Court’s complete unwillingness to endorse FDR’s argument that a national crisis demanded innovation....historymatters.gmu.edu...



After President Roosevelt threatened to pack the Court to dilute the influence of the uncooperative "nine old men," a majority of the justices took to the most expansive definition of the commerce clause like a drunk to drink...


Enter Roscoe Filburn, an Ohio dairy and poultry farmer, who raised a small quantity of winter wheat — some to sell, some to feed his livestock, and some to consume. In 1940, under authority of the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the central government told Mr. Filburn that for the next year he would be limited to planting 11 acres of wheat and harvesting 20 bushels per acre. He harvested 12 acres over his allotment for consumption on his own property. When the government fined him, Mr. Filburn refused to pay.

Wickard v. Filburn got to the Supreme Court, and in 1942, the justices unanimously ruled against the farmer. The government claimed that if Mr. Filburn grew wheat for his own use, he would not be buying it — and that affected interstate commerce. It also argued that if the price of wheat rose, which is what the government wanted, Mr. Filburn might be tempted to sell his surplus wheat in the interstate market, thwarting the government's objective. The Supreme Court bought it.

The Court's opinion must be quoted to be believed:


[The wheat] supplies a need of the man who grew it which would otherwise be reflected by purchases in the open market. Home-grown wheat in this sense competes with wheat in commerce.


As Epstein commented, "Could anyone say with a straight face that the consumption of home-grown wheat is 'commerce among the several states?'" For good measure, the Court justified the obvious sacrifice of Mr. Filburn's freedom and interests to the unnamed farmers being protected:


It is of the essence of regulation that it lays a restraining hand on the self-interest of the regulated and that advantages from the regulation commonly fall to others.

www.fff.org...




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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You can't have unity without a unified language. The French won't give up their language and the Germans won't give up theirs. Throw in Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Eastern European countries and you've got a real mess. It will never happen. As for the part of getting rid of the 20 bureaucracies, that won't happen either. Instead, you'll have the original 20 and a giant 21st.

No worries though, the U.S. is rapidly decaying into a dual culture society, and will have English and Spanish being spoken, dividing this country even more. Rome is burning, and the title wave continues. Maybe even a total mess of a system in Europe will be better than where the U.S. is headed.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
You can't have unity without a unified language. The French won't give up their language and the Germans won't give up theirs. Throw in Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Eastern European countries and you've got a real mess. It will never happen. As for the part of getting rid of the 20 bureaucracies, that won't happen either. Instead, you'll have the original 20 and a giant 21st.

No worries though, the U.S. is rapidly decaying into a dual culture society, and will have English and Spanish being spoken, dividing this country even more. Rome is burning, and the title wave continues. Maybe even a total mess of a system in Europe will be better than where the U.S. is headed.


Not a problem, contrary to popular western belief, people from many european countries can actually speak 3 sometimes more languages, infact some european member countries have 2 national languages and they are very good at English.

I myself know 3 languages, learning 2 others.

While Britain and America are notorious for having terrible education and lack of language skills (and good food) the rest of us however have not.

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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How many times does people have to be warned of the NWO order going through Europe for people to believe it is real.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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So, what language will the primary language be? There are more than 3 languages in Europe, so even if everyone speaks 3, it's not saying they'll speak the right 3. My brother-in-law is British, living in Holland, married to a French woman. He knows enough French to get by, but my nephew speaks all 3 languages, so I know what you're saying about that.

Yes, American schools are horrible, for the most part. I'm so glad I went to private school. The state of the U.S. school system is the reason why I'll NEVER vote for a Democrat...EVER! They've destroyed the education system. Kids graduate today and are less educated than an 8th grader in the 1940's. It's all about the union and the money, and never about "the kids", even thought that's what they always say.

I still don't think it will work, and the Balkans proved that. Language, borders and culture (religion is included in culture) are required to stability. You may be able to tweak one or 2 of them slightly, but eventually it leads to violence and the break down of society...then war.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
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So, what language will the primary language be? There are more than 3 languages in Europe, so even if everyone speaks 3, it's not saying they'll speak the right 3. My brother-in-law is British, living in Holland, married to a French woman. He knows enough French to get by, but my nephew speaks all 3 languages, so I know what you're saying about that.

Yes, American schools are horrible, for the most part. I'm so glad I went to private school. The state of the U.S. school system is the reason why I'll NEVER vote for a Democrat...EVER! They've destroyed the education system. Kids graduate today and are less educated than an 8th grader in the 1940's. It's all about the union and the money, and never about "the kids", even thought that's what they always say.

I still don't think it will work, and the Balkans proved that. Language, borders and culture (religion is included in culture) are required to stability. You may be able to tweak one or 2 of them slightly, but eventually it leads to violence and the break down of society...then war.



There is pushes for Esperanto to be the offical second language of Europe.

Language is not a barrier in Europe so you can stop spreading that fear mongering crap.

Just because your brother in law is crap at lanugages, doesnt mean the rest of us are.

Religon is not an issue in Europe either, until you factor in extremist Islamic people who refuse to integrate, but that happens anywhere, not just in Europe. I have many Islamic friends, no problem what so ever, they are not extremist twats.

You think leaving Europe will solve London and Birmingham and other places of extremist Islamic twats and rioters and looters we saw in the UK? Think again.


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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Does it seem so remote that Germany would complete the unification of Europe as Hitler desired?

What is truely amazing is that it will be accomplished by Hitler's daughter, Angela Merkel...

www.his-forever.com...

www.whatdoesitmean.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by romanmel
Does it seem so remote that Germany would complete the unification of Europe as Hitler desired?

What is truely amazing is that it will be accomplished by Hitler's daughter, Angela Merkel...

www.his-forever.com...

www.whatdoesitmean.com...



I am sure if we dig up your family tree we can connect you to some bad people too.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by JennaDarling
There is pushes for Esperanto to be the offical second language of Europe.

Cool.


Originally posted by JennaDarling
Language is not a barrier in Europe so you can stop spreading that fear mongering crap.

Not It isn't fear mongering. When 2 groups of people don't understand each other, you get MISunderstanding. It's happened since the beginning of mankind. I'm not European, so I'll defer the "state of the union" in regards to language to you. Sound fair?



Originally posted by JennaDarling
Just because your brother in law is crap at lanugages, doesnt mean the rest of us are.

He's actually doing quite well, considering the only language he spoke was English until he was 40.


Originally posted by JennaDarling
Religon is not an issue in Europe either, until you factor in extremist Islamic people who refuse to integrate, but that happens anywhere, not just in Europe. I have many Islamic friends, no problem what so ever, they are not extremist twats.

Tell me how you really feel.
Personally, I can't tell the difference.


Originally posted by JennaDarling
You think leaving Europe will solve London and Birmingham and other places of extremist Islamic twats and rioters and looters we saw in the UK? Think again.

I really don't know how this is relevant, but you won't get ANY argument out of me when it comes to that death cult.

Just for the record, I don't hate Europe, and I wasn't slamming Europeans, if that's what you think. In fact, I love Germany. I just wish they hasn't gone so soft over the last few decades. German was the language I chose while in high school. Not Spanish, although that would have had more uses here in the U.S.M.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by JennaDarling

Originally posted by romanmel
Does it seem so remote that Germany would complete the unification of Europe as Hitler desired?

What is truely amazing is that it will be accomplished by Hitler's daughter, Angela Merkel...

www.his-forever.com...

www.whatdoesitmean.com...



I am sure if we dig up your family tree we can connect you to some bad people too.



Yep.

The Tudors of England, to be exact.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Not that Wiki is completely accurate buttttt:



In June 2009, the European Court of Auditors published a report, pointing out governance issues, substantial delays and budget overruns that led to project stalling in 2007, leading to further delays and failures.[16]

In October 2009, the European Commission cut the number of satellites from 28 to 22, with plans to order the remaining six at a later time. It also announced that the first OS, PRS and SoL signal will be available in 2013 and the CS and SOL sometime later. Current budget for 2006-2013 period planned for €3.4 billion was also considered as insufficient.[17]

The think tank Open Europe has estimated the total cost of Galileo from start to completion, and then running it over a 20 year period, at a staggering €22.2 billion — a cost which will be borne entirely by taxpayers. Under the original estimates (from 2000) this cost would have been €€7.7 billion, of which only €2.6 billion was to be borne by taxpayers and the rest by private investors.[18]

In November 2009, a ground station for Galileo was inaugurated near Kourou (French Guiana).[19]

The launch of the first four in-orbit validation (IOV) satellites is currently planned for the 2nd half of 2011, while the launch of full operational capability (FOC) satellites is planned to start in late 2012.As of March 2010 it was verified that the budget for Galileo would only be available to provide the 4 IOV and 14 FOC satellites by 2014, with no funds currently committed to bring the constellation above this 60% capacity.[20]

Paul Verhoef, the then current satellite navigation program manager at the European Commission indicated that this limited funding would have serious consequences commenting at one point "To give you an idea, that would mean that for three weeks in the year you will not have satellite navigation" in reference to the currently proposed 18 vehicle constellation. In July 2010 the European Commission estimated further delays and additional costs of the project to grow up to €1.5-€1.7 billion and moved the estimated date of completion to 2018. After it's completed, the system will need to be subsidized by governments at €750 million per year.[2] An additional €1.9 billion was planned to be spent bringing the system up to the full complement of 30 satellites (27 operational + 3 active spares).[7][21]

In December 2010 EU ministers in Brussels have voted Prague (Czech Republic) as the headquarters of the Galileo project.[22]

In January 2011, infrastructure costs up to 2020 were estimated at €5.3 billion. In that same month, Wikileaks revealed the opinion of CEO of German satellite company OHB-System, Berry Smutny. He is quoted saying that Galileo "is a stupid idea that primarily serves French interests".[23]

The BBC understands 500m euros (£440m) will become available to make the extra purchase, taking Europe's version of GPS from 18 operational satellites in the next few years to 24.[24]

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Yep I guess it was the yanks fault wasn't it?



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