Brothers in the Shadows: Evidence that Secret Societies Manipulate World Affairs

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The interesting part is about the Anglos and their control over everything and the reason behind it. It explains why only 8% of the worlds population has a disproportional amount of the wealth.

reply to post by LiveForever8


Flag for you my friend!

In short, I believe a lot of what really happens on a universal level is really not understood or perhaps hidden. Materialism only goes to serve an ever lasting want of more, never truly satisfying the feeling inside, short term happiness, continual long term emptiness.

The more we delve into materialism, the further we move away from any real connection to the planet and ALL its inhabitants. We have even become seriously disconnected from each other, and ourselves - almost numb to the point of complete disconnection from being human... I am speaking generally here, not applying this to everyone.

Humans are easily corrupted by power, money/influence help to establish power and with corrupted power comes control. It's all about propping someone up on the pyramid scale somewhere. I personally yearn for the day when the world goes completely bankrupt - when money ceases to have value, materialism would have failed, then and only then can humanity start to look beyond the facade of money and material goods - perhaps then the truth of our existence, and the truth of our reality will be clear for all to see.

Perhaps that is the day when humanity finally grows up, takes responsibility and reconnects to the planet, and ALL its inhabitants, including all the tribes that dwell here.

Well one can hope anyway

Originally posted by LiveForever8

How could he know about the forthcoming War as well as the “experiments in Socialism”, which would take a grip on Russia and its surrounding states for most of the twentieth century? If he was not, as he claimed, a “practical occultist” himself, it is reasonable to assume he had contact with people who were, and who had access to the malign plans of such secret groups referred to above.

It would also be reasonable, I think, that he may have studied Marx, or one of the other socialist intellectuals that were writing at that time. Most in Russia, who could read, would have surely read Dostoyevsky. The idea of social equality was a terrifying prospect for some. It is about this time that we see the emergence of mass propaganda designed for appeal to the 'lowest common denominator'. This Black Propaganda, aimed at division and suspicion amongst those that may organise effectively, though in the traditional sense 'occultic', was also aimed at using the superstitions of the lower classes as a divisive tool. Much in the same way that the inquisitions had been used to smash trade co-operatives.

Originally posted by LiveForever8
It seems to me that people who moved in the esoteric/occult circles of the time were, somehow, privy to secret information about how the world was going to be manipulated. These "people in the know" seem to blame Freemasonry in particular, although that seems to be Karl Heise's particular gripe. Others don't give "them" names.

It is unlikely that a Freemason, for example, would not be, at that time, of a certain educational standing, and probably, though not exclusively, a member of the professional classes. Although Freemasons are not permitted to discuss affiliations, political or religious (as I understand it), they would obviously have discussed current affairs. Given an education, especially classical, one would have had to have been blind not to have seen the second world war coming. Look at the newspapers from that time, they did. Occult practices, in the form of PR, propaganda, financial and social incentives were utilised to hasten that end and to create a willingness, or sense of need, in the various populaces, but if you look at the model in Germany, they were used to crush secret societies. Since that time such societies have been on the wain, and yet, those that won in Germany are still winning. And still using the same 'Occultic' practices to facilitate that.

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The Knights Templar are a fascinating order, one that I have been looking into in real depth recently. I personally believe that they were the precursors to Freemasonry which, if the Freemasons are the ones controlling the planet, could mean we have pin-pointed their origins. I personally believe it goes back much further. And by Freemasons I mean a select few at the top, those steeped in esoteric knowledge.

I think Steiner has much more to teach us. I have already found something of interest: www.abovetopsecret.com....

I believe there's plenty more to be found!

Good luck.

Originally posted by LiveForever8
And by Freemasons I mean a select few at the top, those steeped in esoteric knowledge.

Do they drop them into a vat of esotericism and leave them to stew, do you think? What is it that you presume esoteric knowledge empowers you to see and do that lesser mortals are presumably kept ignorant of that enables 'them' to rule the world?

Possibly the simple fact that people would rather be told what to think than to learn to think for themselves? 80% of the population of any given mammalian group will automatically look to another in their group for direction, to the point of it leading to their deaths. Now there's some powerful Ju-ju for you.

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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
It would also be reasonable, I think, that he may have studied Marx, or one of the other socialist intellectuals that were writing at that time. Most in Russia, who could read, would have surely read Dostoyevsky. The idea of social equality was a terrifying prospect for some. It is about this time that we see the emergence of mass propaganda designed for appeal to the 'lowest common denominator'. This Black Propaganda, aimed at division and suspicion amongst those that may organise effectively, though in the traditional sense 'occultic', was also aimed at using the superstitions of the lower classes as a divisive tool. Much in the same way that the inquisitions had been used to smash trade co-operatives.

He did indeed read Marx, in fact he criticized Karl Marx on many points on different occasions, especially with regard to his dialectical-materialistic interpretation of history. He could never accept Marxism and stated that "Of all forms of power, what is being striven for by social democracy, is the worst." Social democracy, in this case, meaning the Communist Ideology.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
It is unlikely that a Freemason, for example, would not be, at that time, of a certain educational standing, and probably, though not exclusively, a member of the professional classes. Although Freemasons are not permitted to discuss affiliations, political or religious (as I understand it), they would obviously have discussed current affairs. Given an education, especially classical, one would have had to have been blind not to have seen the second world war coming. Look at the newspapers from that time, they did. Occult practices, in the form of PR, propaganda, financial and social incentives were utilised to hasten that end and to create a willingness, or sense of need, in the various populaces, but if you look at the model in Germany, they were used to crush secret societies. Since that time such societies have been on the wain, and yet, those that won in Germany are still winning. And still using the same 'Occultic' practices to facilitate that.

Steiner was a huge critic of Hitler and could see very early on that this man had some suspect backing and was going to spell trouble for Germany. Steiner was attacked, poisoned, the victim of arson attacks (one instantly thinks of the Reichstag) and persecuted in general, mostly by the hands of the emerging Nazi's.

I think, with so many of the Nazi party members being Occultists, they knew the kind of inside information that Steiner was privy to...and they didn't like it.

However, to predict a second world war in 1916 is still rather special. The world was still grappling with the first world war but Steiner knew it wasn't to end there.

They were certainly interesting times to be an occultist, that's for sure!

Thanks.

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I'm not saying that this knowledge gives them super-human powers. But when I look at some of the most brilliant, influential and knowledgeable people of the time (and throughout all of time) they all seem to have occult/esoteric tendencies.

It makes one think: Could there be something to it?

Even if it is just something as simple as a trumped up sense of importance

Originally posted by LiveForever8
He did indeed read Marx, in fact he criticized Karl Marx on many points on different occasions, especially with regard to his dialectical-materialistic interpretation of history. He could never accept Marxism and stated that "Of all forms of power, what is being striven for by social democracy, is the worst." Social democracy, in this case, meaning the Communist Ideology.

So you see what drove Steiner...Marx represents a theoretical perspective that has been built upon, theoretically since, by Durkheim initially, but even so, it is an appraisal of the needs of the wider society. Of course Steiner didn't like it, it ran contrary to his perspective and the view he was promoting very actively. It takes a lot of support and financial backing to succeed in the way Steiner did.

Originally posted by LiveForever8
Steiner was a huge critic of Hitler and could see very early on that this man had some suspect backing and was going to spell trouble for Germany. Steiner was attacked, poisoned, the victim of arson attacks (one instantly thinks of the Reichstag) and persecuted in general, mostly by the hands of the emerging Nazi's.

Steiner's backers most likely were the same people that were eventually Hitler's backers. Hitler's methods, or rather Goering's, were far more effective in castrating the Red Peril.

Originally posted by LiveForever8
I think, with so many of the Nazi party members being Occultists, they knew the kind of inside information that Steiner was privy to...and they didn't like it.

What kind of information was that?

Originally posted by LiveForever8
However, to predict a second world war in 1916 is still rather special. The world was still grappling with the first world war but Steiner knew it wasn't to end there.

In retrospect maybe, but as I have already said, it is important to realise that at the time, since about the mid to late 1800s a realisation was developing that Germany was gaining the potential for international trade domination. It was realised, equally, that certain nations were not going to permit that to happen, by fair means or foul. With Russia's involvement in the first world war being manipulated on one side by Germany and the other Britain following the revolution, it was inevitable that there was merely going to be a suspension to play.

The Paris Peace treaty merely ensured a more rapid engagement. This, as far as I can tell, was understood by German intellectual circles, many of whom took an active role in trying to shape or in a way, prevent that outcome, like Steiner, Britain is more tight lipped since they recruited their intellectual establishment into the Secret Services instead.

Originally posted by LiveForever8
It makes one think: Could there be something to it?

Even if it is just something as simple as a trumped up sense of importance

As I have tried to express in secular terms it is far more than that. The very nature of the occult as we see it manifested today is the power of distraction, or sleight of hand. Getting people to look one way so that they can be distracted by the shiny things.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
As I have tried to express in secular terms it is far more than that. The very nature of the occult as we see it manifested today is the power of distraction, or sleight of hand. Getting people to look one way so that they can be distracted by the shiny things.

edit on 18-8-2011 by KilgoreTrout because: again, ineptitude

I disagree entirely. Occult studies are all about what I can learn that I did not know before. They're not about hand waving and distraction. Hiding is not the goal of esotericism, it is merely a symptom. Occult knowledge hasn't changed—it has always been here. Nobody needs to get someone to look the other way, because human nature has blinded us to that knowledge for centuries without any help. The essence of the mystery schools has always been about "how can I improve my own knowledge" and has never been about "how can I keep that knowledge from everyone else."

Wow. Do you guys really think it is all about making yourself better and that is it?
It is a secret slaughter club.
The message is in code.
When you learn to read the message then you will see the most beneficial tips in the headline news. What do you do with it? Make money! What else? Better thyself? Come on. This is not Monk World. This is capitalism and the elite eat the masses.

S&F this i will return to

this is going to be one hell of a read

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That is a short sided argument you have going on in your head.Yes the buzzwords can make you rich.The truth is that taking the road your on it goes on for a very long time downhill and just gets hotter and hotter.

Here is how i see it.A mans father gives him a set of tools and sends him to go turn the lights on.
Father look i have enough wealth and knowledge now i can make new lights.Its gonna be a very long hot day son.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
I disagree entirely.

Possibly, but since you have failed to comprehend my point, it is difficult to tell.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Occult studies are all about what I can learn that I did not know before.

Let's look at the definition....

oc·cult (-klt, klt)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.
2. Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable.
3. Available only to the initiate; secret: occult lore. See Synonyms at mysterious.
4. Hidden from view; concealed.
5.
a. Medicine Detectable only by microscopic examination or chemical analysis, as a minute blood sample.
b. Not accompanied by readily detectable signs or symptoms: occult carcinoma.
n.
Occult practices or techniques: a student of the occult.
v. (-klt) oc·cult·ed, oc·cult·ing, oc·cults
v.tr.
1. To conceal or cause to disappear from view.
2. Astronomy To conceal by occultation: The moon occulted Mars.
v.intr.
To become concealed or extinguished at regular intervals: a lighthouse beacon that occults every 45 seconds.

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[Latin occultus, secret, past participle of occulere, to cover over; see kel-1 in Indo-European roots.]

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Originally posted by JoshNorton
They're not about hand waving and distraction.

So....if the occult is about things which are hidden from the general perception, how are they concealed when so much of it is so freely available, and in very plain sight? Hand waving and distraction? Or by more nefarious means? Either way, the occult is that which is concealed from view. Knowledge, information, that is kept secret. Doesn't matter what knowledge it is, if it is being concealed then it is occult knowledge, if it requires secrecy, it is occult knowledge. Still has the same power to possess, if you, as a Freemason fail to comprehend that, then frankly, I am not surprised.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Hiding is not the goal of esotericism, it is merely a symptom.

Again, let's look at the definition...

es·o·ter·ic (s-trk)
adj.
1.
a. Intended for or understood by only a particular group: an esoteric cult. See Synonyms at mysterious.
b. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted number of people.
2.
a. Confined to a small group: esoteric interests.
b. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.

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[Greek esterikos, from ester, comparative of es, within; see en in Indo-European roots.]

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I have nothing more to say than that, insult your own intelligence by all means, but leave mine alone.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Occult knowledge hasn't changed—it has always been here.

Where is 'here'?

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Nobody needs to get someone to look the other way, because human nature has blinded us to that knowledge for centuries without any help.

Has it indeed? Really? I don't actually think you are qualified, or equipped, to comment. For something the survive, it must change and adapt, you are not in any position, clearly, to comment on the blindness of human nature, though you are a good demonstration in point.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
The essence of the mystery schools has always been about "how can I improve my own knowledge" and has never been about "how can I keep that knowledge from everyone else."

It has never been about hiding that knowledge from others? Again, really? You're embarassing yourself, sir.

Originally posted by deadeyedick
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That is a short sided argument you have going on in your head.Yes the buzzwords can make you rich.The truth is that taking the road your on it goes on for a very long time downhill and just gets hotter and hotter.

Here is how i see it.A mans father gives him a set of tools and sends him to go turn the lights on.
Father look i have enough wealth and knowledge now i can make new lights.Its gonna be a very long hot day son.

That is your opinion. Thank you for sharing.

Carry on.

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Are you talking about a Kansas City Shuffle?

Naturally man cannot see what's two feet in front of him. Sometimes information is hidden because of others, but most of the time one is ignorant because he has blinded himself.

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Do we know why there's gravity? Do we know how quantum physics work? These are occult. By the very definition list you provided, "Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable." We have theories; we can conduct tests; but we haven't figured it all out yet.

And it's not just microcosmic and macrocosmic physics that we don't fully grok yet, either... there's a lot about life that we don't have answers for. What is an individual's role in the "big picture" if anything? Well that's certainly beyond the realm of human comprehension. Does that mean we shouldn't spend time trying to think about it though?

So....if the occult is about things which are hidden from the general perception, how are they concealed when so much of it is so freely available, and in very plain sight?

Just because you see something every day, does that mean you really know how it works? Would you be able to take it apart and put it back together so it would still function properly? (and this goes for mechanical, electrical or biological...) A neurosurgeon understands a lot more about the brain than you do. Is he hiding that knowledge from you? Or is it something you could learn yourself if you took the effort to study it? Certainly the activity of neurons is hidden from general perception, yes?

And yes, esoteric means that it's of interest to, or studied by, small groups. Do I know which Dave Matthews concerts had which guest musicians? No, but a die-hard DMB fan could probably rattle that off without any problem, and suggest which bootleg was the cleanest recording of that particular show. Did he hide that knowledge from you? Was there any hand waving? No. But he had a specialized interest along with his fellow die-hard fans, and thus possessed his own jargon, his own criteria for what made a good show or a good bootleg, etc.

Is it esoteric that Eskimos might have 31 words for "snow"? Or as something they have to deal with a lot, does it actually make sense that it would be something important to them and thus worth their time to differentiate?

Yes, the mystery schools, the occult, the esoteric are all hidden from you. That is not by active intent. It's simply because you have not chosen to pursue that field of study.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
It has never been about hiding that knowledge from others? Again, really? You're embarassing yourself, sir.

Why is it that all of the famous so-called "masters" of the occult have been prolific authors or respected teachers? If Crowley wanted to hide his version of Magick from anyone, why would he publish dozens of books on the subject?

This must be something new because there is no Norway in his maps.

Stalked by Norwegian authorities under OTO/Illuminati directives

www.google.com...

That was the biggest secret society news yet.
He found the bunkers perhaps used to build the atomic bombs for the Nazis.
After all now we know Japan had Korea develop their atomic weapon.

The amazing thing about knowledge is that the more you 'know' the less you 'know.'

A paradox of highest magnitude, and easily the reason for 'occult' knowledge.