Fast and Furious was a CIA operation.

The intention was to get the arms to the Mexican cartels all the time, no strings attached. There never was any intention of ever making any arrests in the case.

Apparently the whole thing was an effort to arm rival gangs of the Los Zetas cartel to keep them from taking over the Mexican government.

FARAGO: Was CIA behind Operation Fast and Furious?

In congressional testimony, William Newell, former ATF special agent in charge of the Phoenix Field Division, testified that the Internal Revenue Service, Drug Enforcement Administration and Immigration and Customs Enforcement were “full partners” in Operation Fast and Furious. Mr. Newell’s list left out the most important player: the CIA. According to a CIA insider, the agency had a strong hand in creating, orchestrating and exploiting Operation Fast and Furious.

The CIA’s motive is clear enough: The U.S. government is afraid the Los Zetas drug cartel will mount a successful coup d’etat against the government of Felipe Calderon.

Founded by ex-Mexican special forces, the Zetas already control huge swaths of Mexican territory. They have the organization, arms and money needed to take over the entire country.

Former CIA pilot Robert Plumlee and former CIA operative and DEA Director Phil Jordan recently said the brutally efficient Mexican drug cartel has stockpiled thousands of weapons to disrupt and influence Mexico’s national elections in 2012. There’s a very real chance the Zetas cartel could subvert the political process completely, as it has throughout the regions it controls.

In an effort to prevent a Los Zetas takeover, Uncle Sam has gotten into bed with the rival Sinaloa cartel, which has close ties to the Mexican military. Recent court filings by former Sinaloa cartel member Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, currently in U.S. custody, reveal that the United States allowed the Sinaloas to fly a 747 cargo plane packed with coc aine into American airspace - unmolested.

The CIA made sure the trade wasn’t one-way. It persuaded the ATF to create Operation Fast and Furious - a “no strings attached” variation of the agency’s previous firearms sting. By design, the ATF operation armed the Mexican government’s preferred cartel on the street level near the American border, where the Zetas are most active.

Operation Fast and Furious may not have been the only way the CIA helped put lethal weapons into the hands of the Sinaloa cartel and its allies, but it certainly was an effective strategy. If drug thugs hadn’t murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry with an ATF- provided weapon, who knows how many thousands more guns would have crossed the U.S. border?

The Washington Times

This would explain why the three managers who were in charge of Fast & Furious got promoted even after the admitted to making mistakes in the investigation.

They didn't make any mistakes; they did exactly as they were supposed to do. The CIA doesn't care how many innocent civilians or border patrol officers get killed as a result of their actions, so long as they can keep control of the leadership of other countries.

When one looks out of the box, they will see that 90% of the world's problems is caused by covert operations by the CIA.

What's the point of the war on drugs if we are letting 747's full of coc aine into the country?
More BS. And we let it happen.

Originally posted by grey580
What's the point of the war on drugs if we are letting 747's full of coc aine into the country?
More BS. And we let it happen.

One of the CIA's primary sources of income is the drug trade. They can't skim money off of black budgets like they used to with all the budget oversite anymore.

They need the war on drugs to keep the price of their product high so they can reap maximum profits so they can continue to pursue their agenda to manipulate every country on the globe (the US included).

If there is an evil cabal of globalist insiders bent on controling the world, their base of operations can be found in Langley, Virginia.

Didn't the CIA support the mujaheddin in the 80s? Anyone .... ?
History repeats itself again and again ; it seems that the CIA has a talent in selecting and funding those that will turn out to be their enemies in a future situation. And it always slaps back at innocent American citizens. Terrible story.

s&f

Originally posted by SunLightyear
Didn't the CIA support the mujaheddin in the 80s? Anyone .... ?
History repeats itself again and again ; it seems that the CIA has a talent in selecting and funding those that will turn out to be their enemies in a future situation. And it always slaps back at innocent American citizens. Terrible story.

That's exactly what they are supposed to do. These guys work for the military-industrial complex, not the American people.

Their job is to ensure that the world is always filled with enemies for the US to battle so their weapons making buddies never go out of business.

When or if this "war on terrorism" ever winds down, they'll have the Mexican drug cartels waiting in the wings to invade our Southern borders to keep the military industry going strong.

It wouldn't be much of surprise to me if the CIA was/is actually financing and controlling both sides in this drug cartel war. At the end, war and instability is what makes most money for them and looks like one of their goals.

Originally posted by merovingian23
It wouldn't be much of surprise to me if the CIA was/is actually financing and controlling both sides in this drug cartel war. At the end, war and instability is what makes most money for them and looks like one of their goals.

Seems about right to me. The ATF angle didn't make as much sense, seemed the CIA was involved and we knew there were "Special Forces advisors" (CIA) here during this time too.

A lot has changed since I first arrived here in 2005. Presidente Calderón kicked-off his Drug War at the tail end of 2006 and by 2008 it was in full swing and everyone can feel the instability - which seems to be the goal because the manner they are approaching this would not be the most effective if they just wanted to get "the bad guys."

That and the US people are all worked-up wanting to send the military in and invade - perhaps another part of the plan. We could save the invasion if they would just remove the advisors and the money the US pays Mexico to fight the phoney drug war. Obviously they are not trying to stop the drug traffic, control it perhaps but not stop it.

If instability is the plan they are also doing that with "illegal immigration" and the media hyping the people up over that. Truth is though, the US needs temporary migrant workers for harvesting and construction labor. There used to be programs to bring in workers temporarily, a few good workers staying on as work demanded. They were treated as American workers, taxes and Social Security deducted from their checks. Problems came when they were eligible to draw their Social Security and when OSHA looked into their working conditions.

It was decided that it would be better if these workers were undocumented in order to get around labor practices and payment of benefits so the "illegal" back door has been wide open for them and with their undocumented status the employers could fairly well treat them as farm animals and side-step benefits and conditions. There is also the political benefit of being able to rabble-rouse about the illegal immigrants and make huge political promises. But notice no one is doing much about correcting it. for the big boyz on top it's win-win this way.

There is a much larger agenda playing-out than most people are aware of, and even for most who are aware of these factors very few are privvy to the real big-picture scenario and all its implications. For most Americans their job is to just complain and be discontent with it all then vote for the guys who say they will fix it all. It's "fixed" alright, you can bet on that.

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You, my friend, are 100% right. The CIA controls most of the world drug trade. I believe the Mexican Cartels have become quite powerful during the last decade that the CIA had to intervene. And Mexico is the turf battle... It is estimated the drug trade adds between $600 - $1000 billion per year to their black budget. When the US invaded Afghanistan what happened? Think Poppy plantations.... The invasion was designed to control the poppy trade.

You have to understand the CIA is not 100% Cabal controlled. There are White Hats and Cabals. The CIA Cabals are the ones doing this and are the ones at the top of the pyramid. The CIA and other federal agencies have been infiltrated by the Cabals(NWO, Illuminati, CFR, etc) for a long time. Obama can't get rid of these Cabals that easily. He will probably be harmed if he does!!!

The Cabals number one agenda is the (1) UFO cover up, (2) the Federal Reserve, and the (3) drug/arms trade.

Wake up my friends! We need to get rid of these Cabals before they destroy us!!!

This was clear from the start.CIA is the biggest drug peddler in the world.

Originally posted by 5thWorldIsNow
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

You, my friend, are 100% right. The CIA controls most of the world drug trade.

Wake up my friends! We need to get rid of these Cabals before they destroy us!!!

Because we are still on our feet and walking only means we haven't been buried yet. This cancer has been eating away at us for awhile now. Kind of have to wonder who's in charge and if that really represents the American heart and soul. At one time it was not.

It was Kennedy's idea to splinter the CIA and do away with them. Didn't work that way for him though, you've got Papi Bush winking at Johnson just after the assassination in Dallas. The traditional American ideals and values are the sheep's clothing, what's wearing them doesn't share those ideals.

BS!
This was an ATF operation top and bottom. The intent was two fold primary was to establish the story that there was an "iron river" flowing from the US to Mexico. This was to enable the administration to introduce legislation restricting further the 2A. Second this would enable the ATF to increase their demands for budget dollars to fight the "scourge" of illegal guns going into Mexico.

The Washington Times is late to this story and mucks it up royally. Sipsey Street Irregulars and The War on Guns (hint the guys who actually broke this story) have already discredited this so called CIA connection from the WT.
Think about this for a second. It makes no sense logically for the CIA to be supplying the DC's with semi automatic AK's and AR's when they could easily funnel FULL AUTO AK's from Iraq where they are practically growing in the wild. This operation was ATF all the way. There may have been CIA operatives that were involved in the sales and transfers but this was not their show.

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I don't see why this couldn't be BOTH a CIA op and a play by the Pres to take away our guns. Maybe it was the CIA's idea and Obama jumped on board to further his anti-gun agenda or maybe it was Obama's idea and the CIA directed the arms toward the gang they wanted to support in the drug war. Either way, this scenario furthers both of their agendas and you would think that they would need CIA support in order to sell arms outside the US border.

I think that it is probable that the CIA had their hands in this operation in order to further their agenda.

The Washington Times is late to this story and mucks it up royally. Sipsey Street Irregulars and The War on Guns (hint the guys who actually broke this story) have already discredited this so called CIA connection from the WT.

Do you have a link so I can see where they debunked this?

Originally posted by Dragoon01
BS!

This was an ATF operation top and bottom.

The Washington Times is late to this story and mucks it up royally. Sipsey Street Irregulars and The War on Guns (hint the guys who actually broke this story) have already discredited this so called CIA connection from the WT.

You do not wish to supply a link saying how that has been discredited? A little more information perhaps? I guess we have to assume your word alone is good enough for that?

Look if you are not reading Sipsey Street then you are not following this story.

Its not just a single entry although Mike does address the CIA story from the WT.

sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com...

There are multiple post daily about the Gunwalker scandle. The Wt story was addressed awhile back you can flip through the posts to find it.

EDIT I misspoke this specific WT story is not addressed on SSI but several weeks back the same basic story was posted by other bloggers and it was addressed then.

Nice to see the spin cycle going. Yea deflect the blame from the ATF . CIA is now the gang in charge of it? Sounds more like a attempt to bury any attempt to learn who knew what and when!

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Maybe I am coming across to strong saying discredited. The evidence gathered by Mike V and David C from Sipsey street and War on guns points squarlely to the highest levels of government originating this idea. The ATF had a program in place called Gun Runner. It goes back to the Bush administration. When the Obama administration came into office they modified this program. Yes you are right the CIA was involved to certain levels but this was not a "CIA operation". The evidence that broke this story came from Mike V and David C and it was given to them by insiders in the ATF and others working in this program. Its direct evidence. They supplied it to Issa and Grassley and that lead to the current hearings. The ATF did not just create its own foreign policy however. There is evidence that the CIA supplied intel and assets to facilitate the movement of the weapons to the cartels but it was a support role on the Mexican end of the pipe. As I said if this was simply a CIA op why involve the ATF? The ATF are universally know as "F troop" in government circles. The CIA would not trust the ATF to not screw up their end of the deal. They would handle this operation all outside of the US. They would use CIA assets only and collect the literal tons of Russian pattern weapons floating around Iraq and Afganhistan and ship them directly to the cartels using their agents in country. The Iraqi weapons would not be traced back to anyone. That would be a simple operation. KISS is a standard in covert circles. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.
This operation was designed to create a crisis in Mexico that could be "solved" by the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress. Look at the support PR that congressinal offices supplied prior to the operation coming to light. Think back to the official line being sold by Schumer and Reid. "90% of guns in Mexico come from the US" That was a lie and they were called out for that but the bigger story was why did they try and sell that crap? Because operation F&F was fully underway and the crisis needed to be flammed to create a cry for further regulation and restrictions. Low and behold what did we get? The ATF created rule that requires stores in border states to report multiple long gun sales. Dont let your eyes get pulled off the ball because you want to lay the blame at the CIA's feet. Its much bigger than the Zetas.

i totally agree with this. the CIA ships the guns to mexico. they are the ones getting drugs to the united states so they can arrest people on drug charges. but im topic..

i rememer when fast and the furious just came out they blamed american Straw buyers buying guns to give to the cartels this was an obvious anti gun propaganda. the head of ATF at that time is still in ATF he is a senior ATF forensic officer.. the drug cartel violence is good for the government so they want to keep it going..