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I am tired of people posting "Aliens do not exist" threads. We HAVE contact.

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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Gorman- I just don't quite understand your hasty generalizations.

Since the dawn of man, our planet Earth has evolved humanoids such as ourselves. Why would your premise seem to suggest too me- That any other typical Earth type planet in the Universe would not evolve humanoids as well?

The ET's may not look exactly like we do, [ Save for some, highly intelligent non-humanoid life forms.] But to say that their are no humanoid life forms in our Universe, besides on our Earth sounds kind of far fetched.


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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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"As a side-note..there is WAY to much sold on this site..he is basically charging for each and every single download of his channelings at a rather premium price..uhm..what does that tell you? "

I see balance. I see the balance between youtube being full of videos for NOTHING . As you know as a copyright holder he could delete every bashar videos. He does not do that. ....the internet is full of information about bashar for No money at all .and the possibility of abundance for darryl. I know that u only see lack. u live in a world where only people that give their information for free are real spiritual in your eyes. u think that it is not possible to charge a lot of money because u think charging a lot of money is the other side of poorness. And in a way many systems on earth function like that.

There was once a satsang teacher i went to who took no money at all. I just went there for entertainment..i did not really listen to the answers nor did i think carefully of what to ask..i was not even willing to pay 20 dollars for an evening where they talk about the absolute truth. I was not really concentrated..i did not value it. I changed over the time. Of course i like when things are free.

Darryl is a human being and he is a being that wants to live in abundance..nothing wrong with that. II want to do that too. I never paid for bashar..still he enriched me.
But the problem is: you have a selective perception. Instead of seeing the abundance of informatin from bashar....which are more than enough..u got to the page to see that also darryl lives in abundance..that both CO EXISTS.


THIS AND THAT.

But you only see what u want to see. And i do too. But the good thing is: my world is richer than yours.





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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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Why would he delete the bashar videos? They're free advertising. Just another nut trying to sell you something you don't need.



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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No, it hasn't. The Earth has bred but one lineage of humanoids, roughly 5 million years old, in the 3.5 billion years life has existed on Earth. It has bred far more numerous intelligence just bellow our own in that same time.

Furthermore, where am I making assumptions? If anything the only assumption here is that aliens look like us. An assumption that is without a doubt a bad move when the Earth itself laughs at us, heaping up fossil after fossils, day after days, to prove us wrong

You made an assumption, also, that aliens driving around in space ships would be smarter than us. If anything, we've proven that this level of intelligence is unstable, and liable to destroy itself. Something just a little bit slower and dumber than us could last a hell of a lot longer, getting much further than us, in a little more time.

Again, I'm not making assumptions. You say I am, but provide no example. I am not only showing how I am not making assumptions, but providing evidence right here on Earth that says that I'm right
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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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hmm. I did not say that i believe in it because it is channeled. I did not give one argument here why i believe in it. i just said: read it and make up your own mind.


Sorry, but the great majority of your source material is derived from "channeled" information. As I explained, "channeled" information requires the medium's interpretation of what the contact was trying to convey. It is worthless. What if the contact was a 3-year old institutionalized moron on his planet or in his dimesion? It is gibberish, nonsense. What if the contact is an impostor trying to feed disinformation?

Can you not see that without independent verification, the information is worthless? Or do you just refuse to see?


I already made thread about bashar and why i think he is real but i will quote myself to make clear some thoughts about my way of perceiving it.


Bashar is another charlatan who passes-off gibberish to the gullible and desirous and faithful, who accept it as fact wothout question.
His statements about photons are a joke! Trinary? Explains electronics? What a crock, in any language.

None of his followers have actually taken a transcript and analyzed it for sense and logic.
There used to be comedic actors who specialized in what they called "double-talk."
Al Kelly, Durwood Fincher and Sid Caesar were hilarious as they gave "speeches" and "explanations" to roaring audiences. The only difference is that they knew they were being fooled.

This is what destroys "UFOlogy" as any kind of credible scientific inquiry.

Again, how sad.

jw

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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by adeclerk
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Why would he delete the bashar videos? They're free advertising. Just another nut trying to sell you something you don't need.




i become tired of arguing against something which does not contradict another thing .
U talk like there is only one side to the coin.


Of course he also makes advertisement with it..of course you also dont need more stuff because its said everything of value on the youtube videos.of course all that EXISTS is selling you something you dont need because You dont need anyhting. Of course it can also be fun to need something....to have the feeling that u need more..of course it can also be painful.
Of course all there is is just here for NO reason.and for fun..and for experience..and for tears and for suffering..for whatever makes u feel alive. Of course the meaninglessness has a deep meaning.
Of course he wants to make money.. Of course he still helps people with the stuff more than any psychologist who get thousands of dollars could do. Of course he does want to help people and not harm them. Of course he does want to have a big house. Of course he thinks that there are enough videos on youtube for people who want to improve and learn from bashar.
Of course there is not only one motive to someting..not only one reason. Of course also a bad teacher can give u a good lesson and a good teacher can give u bad lesson.
Of course everything is meaningless. Of course this is only a dog barking...

Of course , of course of course.



god help














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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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I've have sign off now Gorman- But maybe I will rehash or make new too you, new evidence of ET visitations here on Earth on some later date.

Meanwhile- Fear the Turtle- Since I am a University of Maryland fan.

Cheers,

Erno86



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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"Sure he has a financial interest, but his channeling is for real, how could he possibly know those false statements he made about photons!"


No serious scientist would take "channeling" seriously. Interesting how the "channeled" beings usually say what we want to hear. It's about as credible as tarot.



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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"This is what destroys "UFOlogy" as any kind of credible scientific inquiry.

Again, how sad.
"


What was wrong about the things he said about astrology or photons? Was it empty in your eyes? DIdnt it describe the truth ? NO?hm hmm
i really just see that u are just to sure of your opinion. But lets stop that i am not interested in that kind of discussion.

I would be more interested in sources you declare as valuable. Not to discuss it or to tell you how bad it is..but just because i am interested in as many good material i can get. I just love the topic. And i really look forward to the next years.



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by kauskau

But the problem is: you have a selective perception. Instead of seeing the abundance of informatin from bashar....which are more than enough..u got to the page to see that also darryl lives in abundance..that both CO EXISTS.

THIS AND THAT.

But you only see what u want to see. And i do too. But the good thing is: my world is richer than yours.


Actually i don't have a selective perception, in fact i am open to both sides which gives me the advantage to not being limited to a one-sided view -- be it "skeptical" or metaphysical/spiritual.

I actually went through the "hassle" and went through some of the transcripts (since i, honestly, don't have the nerve to go through hours of videos etc.) to get an impression *BEFORE* i make any statements because otherwise i would hardly be qualified to argue about something i dont know anything about, right?

And to be honest...the few transcripts i read were (excuse me) nothing more than new-age blah blah with the usual repetition of words like "vibrations", "changes coming soon" etc.etc.. - i actually expected more but those transcripts rather disappointed on an intellectual level.

To be even more honest, they are on about the same level as some deep "beer philosophy" people have sometimes if they are socializing and start philosophizing about the world, physics, meta physics, the nature of reality and so forth, and so forth. They are not worse, but also not better in terms of insight or new wisdom, not for me at least.



You need to take time between the old belief and the new belief to really understand... to really get a feeling... that there is no reality, except for the fact that there is no reality.
Did that sound contradictory? There is no reality except that there is no reality... that there is no reality is the "real" reality.


Etc..and you think it needs an Alien to come up with this?
Again..i am sorry that you obviously think humans are stupid and that such profound wisdom must be of extraterrestrial origin.



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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ok please tell me what was wrong about the photon statement.

but as i know people who often
without really laughing ...its all polemic



people like you using that

after every #ing sentence are so f..ing 2007


no i will not feel in any type of form the hierarchie u want to implement in every statement you make by being emotional and laughing to your discussion partner..
I am still interested in a statement about the photons. Or in your language:



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what you're saying in your post. Are you saying you do or do not believe in intelligent E.T. life? Your tag "I chose science and logic.... And I still believe in God" leads me to believe that you could agree that not everthing can be explained away by science... is this the case? I can't say for sure if aliens are humanoid. I personally think that there are most likely many species, humanoid included. I mean, we're here on earth. We're extraterrestrial beings in the (eyes?) of any species that does not come from earth. So why wouldn't there be humanoids elsewhere on earth-like planets?

I have no intenetion, nor the desire, to try to change anyone's mind. I can only ask questions and share my experience. And my experience, there are enough things just on this earth that cannot be explained away by logic and science. Couple that with what we think we know about the universe.... and I just wonder how anyone could believe that somehow, some way, we are unique and we are the only intelligent beings in the universe. That, to me, is what seems like a wild assumption.

I think that the only way we can learn, is to first accept that we don't know everything, and then constantly question what we already believe to be true.

I don't remember where I heard this, but to paraphrase - "it's still possible that everything we think is the universe could all just be in a jar in the back of someone/something's kitchen cabinet"

We don't even know everything that's out there. We haven't even begun to understand a fraction of what's out there in the "known universe", so isn't it a bit far fetched to say something doesn't exist, or the likelyhood is low that other being like us are out there, simply because WE don't "have proof" here on earth? (And what about the "unknown universe?) What made us so special to begin with? WE certainly didn't make the universe. Someone/something FAR more intelligent than us did it. And what makes sense to me, is that anything capable of creating the universe is certainly capable of creating ANYTHING that any of us could dream up, and a whole lot more that we couldn't even comprehend, let alone "prove".



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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well .last statement from me here because its the old loop i experience again and again.

U will of course find truth that sounds " cliché "and "new age" to you. The reason why new age picks up concepts like "what u put out is what u get in" or " reality is an illusion is just because : its the simple truth. And yet often too simple for the mind.

Thats the problem about that knowledge. I can guarantee you: the things that come nearest to the truth are the things who have the biggest touch of a cliché. Not only because truth that is repeated again and again becomes what a cliché really is really fast : a boring seeming simplification of something else or something fictional.
Also u will at least take into consideration that many "new age" facts if they would be real would not be helping the elite to play the game they are playing. So of course in the past there were many actions to make that truth sound ridiculous and empty.
Thats why i said in one thread: Dont read to much. Observe for yourself. The internet is full of Truth hidden in a cliché and as we only see the surface of a cliché we dont follow the real meaning of it anymore.
You made the best example for that. U quoted in a ironic way: "
You need to take time between the old belief and the new belief to really understand... to really get a feeling... that there is no reality, except for the fact that there is no reality.
Did that sound contradictory? There is no reality except that there is no reality... that there is no reality is the "real" reality. "

and said one of the biggest truths of all and are not even aware of that because u are only perceiving the ridiculous cliché in it. You did not even understand what u are writing but still u act like u would have heard it thousands of thousands of time..and you are right: i became empty in that process for you.

Crazy.

WE Both. lol
SO lets just stop.

my part is done here. I think there are at least some persons who could feel what i mean..and thats more than enough.

And for the people who are on the search for enlightenment , who want to understand that that there is no reality, except for the fact that there is no reality.
Did that sound contradictory? There is no reality except that there is no reality... that there is no reality is the "real" reality. " lol ...
and who trust a little in a man that wants only to help people. watch this video but dont watch or read much more. It will not help. THe best way of searching for what you are searching for..is to empty your mind. And those words of the masters are only an invitation for that and sometimes they just talked to much. Thats why i like the tradition of Zen and Koan so much. They still understood the value of a secret.

my invitation for those people is this video about Nisargadatta.

www.youtube.com...
I am done here .

Peace.




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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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I do think there are intelligence beyond the Earth. And I am a fundamentalist christian to the umpteenth degree. And, being that I was an atheist for a period of time before what I am now, I still retain the scientific view of all things.

The first thing you have to know is that humanity, even on Earth, shouldn't exist. We're a freak accident. That's exactly why we don't have any sort of similar species on Earth to ourselves to relate to. Apes have Gorillas, Dolphins have Whales, etc etc. But us? We've got nothing like us on this planet. Looking into our history proves this all the more. The entire lineage of man, going back to Lucy, was a very short-term evolutionary fluke. Looking at what catastrophic events caused it proves it all the more. An ice age, a super-volcano, droughts, floods. It's literally as if the moment the Earth spotted our existence it's tried its darnest to get rid of us.

So the chances of all those things replicating as they have somewhere else is so astronomically low that it's ridiculous to even try and think of it.

Believe me. There is a statistically greater chance that a second Earth with a second evolution of man from another universe accidently pops into this universe than there is for humanoid life to be repeated in the cosmos. That's how unlikely it is.

Believe me, coming from A christian. I'd love for all aliens to be humanoid. It would be great! Awesome! It would undeniably prove a creator, because it would be scientifically and statistically impossible to have a repeat of such a fluke of nature.

But reality is what reality is. And fact is, what we see at one scale, or one corner of the world, tends to repeat itself. And we are outnumbered to other intelligence and life forms. So it's just not likely that such things like ourselves exist.

There's countless things that would cause this., and further more, even if there was a single humanoid life form also just as much a fluke of nature as us, they freaking wouldn't be showing up naked from a beam of light waving their hands as so many witnesses say.

dextro dna would make our food and their food incompatible and lethal to each other. We've all heard of the War of the Worlds argument about bacteria as well. There's also the whole "high, my planet is made of amino acids and methane and OH CRAP *esplode*.... That's called pressure. Your planet may not have the same, and you won't be walking around naked here.

Now I can be reasonable. The disk-center orb shape of ufos is ideal for gravity manipulation. You encase yourself in a donuts shape gravity well, spin it until it generates an ergosphere, and then fly away as many times the speed of light. But in as much as ignorant natives awed and told tall tales of the Spaniards when they first met them, And that's what I feel this UFOlogy is all about, to be honest .Some ignorant farmers saw something they didn't understand, so they put it in the form of a human to help them understand. It's the same reason pretty much every God of every primitive culture looks human.
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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by TXRabbit
I know right!

For those too busy or lazy to do their own research, I'll post the PROOF of aliens below.






































got it?



wow..sarcasm..and the flag puppets.. is the way disinfo agents try to look cool these days?



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Rats... I thought this might be a good thread.. And now TX Rabbit might be a disinfo agent?

No wonder some substances are illegal in the U.S. We as Americans should be controlled for our own good.

I thought TX's responce was very funny. Older members have read a few threads.

Some good, some a waste of time. This would fall in the latter category.



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by XplanetX
Aliens do exist...

but they are not creatures from distant galaxies, they are simply demons.



This is something I myself get really tired of. Xplanet, curious name for someone who thinks aliens are demons, obviously have never one time researched the origin of the word. This is simply another Bible thumper trying his/her best to convince us all of his/her take on something they know not thing one about. I must see this blatant statement at least once a week in here. There is even a thread that challenges these people to prove that aliens are demons, and no one have yet to make that proof, just as no one has yet to prove Jesus ever existed.



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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"It is a trinary representation of a cross section in one dimension of a photon."

In plain English: "It is a tertiary (third) representation of a cross section in one dimension of a photon."

What makes sense about that?

He goes on to say a photon contains a "triad". Of what exactly? There isn't three of anything in a photon. Everything this man is saying is patently false. Not to mention that photons are subatomic (he states otherwise...what a super intelligent being bashar must be!
).

ETA: There is a term for sentences like this in schizophrenic patients, it's called a "word salad".
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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Your tired of people claiming aliens do not exist, well im tired of channellers constant claims of contact with aliens!

Channellers have existed for as long as recorded history, and have been used by kings, emperors and leaders in times of war and distress through the ages for any assisting information via the spiritual realm.

For the last 70 odd years channellers now claim to be able to communicate specifically with extra terrestrials, if these claims are indeed accurate then what purpose does it serve and what have they accomplished?

What vital information have these mediums extracted? Are aliens communicating with us to assist or deceive?

What vital information have you received? Are you being deceived?



posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Planetary Consciousness vs. Universal consciousness, the truth will prevail



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