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I am tired of people posting "Aliens do not exist" threads. We HAVE contact.

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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You'll probably find those so called Aliens are closer to home, except they aren't Aliens, they are human beings with an overly vivid imagination. I've read the book and I wouldn't exactly call their society paradise. They are emotionless beings, their planet is mostly water with very little land. it's over populated and they are all cramped together like sardines and no one has any space of their own, no hobbies and there's no fun. Sounds like hell to me.
Take away the fun of learning and life becomes meaningless.

Sounds like the borg.




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by Erno86So far as I know- The ET races that have visited our planet have not committed any violent acts against the human race, neither have they destroyed or hampered with any of the species of our planet Earth; save for a few involuntary anal probings. lol Therefore, the ET's that visit our planet should be considered as "peaceful."

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Sorry, but I don't call sneaking around "peaceful." A "peaceful" race would announce their arrival and intentions. IMO, a race that is hiding in the shadows with unknown intentions should be considered hostile.

All these books and talks you guys put so much faith into, are written and given by people trying to make a living. The crazier the story, the more books they sell, and the more places they're hired to speak. 99% of it is total bull#*%&. People telling the truth don't get History Channel specials, let alone an entire series on its 3rd(right?) season. I'm sorry, but that's a fact you have got to understand.

What do I personally believe? I believe in UFOs. I believe that they've always been here. They are the Demons in the Bible...and the Angels. They're the Annunaki and the (false)gods. I do not, however, believe they came from another planet.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Very interesting read. I only made it through half way, will finish later (at work right now, ha). I really want to believe this story, but alarm bells started going off when he mentioned that English was the universal language. Unless I misunderstood that part, I find that to be quite far fetched.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Thai69
Very interesting read. I only made it through half way, will finish later (at work right now, ha). I really want to believe this story, but alarm bells started going off when he mentioned that English was the universal language. Unless I misunderstood that part, I find that to be quite far fetched.


i dont remember that. Uh yeah i dont like that.
I dont know if it was this or the other book but my alarm bells rang when they talked about jesus. Forgot why.

Thats why i quote so much bashar. The only being where my alarm never rang was bashar.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by wiredbadger

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
I dont know why I started thinking this or if it is on topic to your thread, but there is a question I just asked my self about a minute ago. Could there be Dark Life? Not sure if that makes sense but what I mean is with a lot of the universe been made up of dark matter, could there be dark life out there? Or none visible to us? Iv often wondered weather life has to exsist as we see it, or weather it could allso exsist in unimaginable forms?


Serious response to a fascinating aside:
First yes. i totally can comprehend a anti-ilife or dark life. Though i think your conceived name would be more fitting. As the phrase anti-life would suggest opposites.
life is a force in nature.the main thing life can do, in all forms is break down the universe at 'will'. like a fire that can only burn certain matter. even the lowly protists can cause change in the environment by breaking down components and leaving behind an all together separate form of matter.coral reefs are a good example of this. in essence life is the only thing in the known universe that can alter it's environment at will. a fact that has always stunned and fascinated me about us (life).
if we think of life as a cycle, then it would in some form qualify as a wave but a unique one that can adapt to environmental changes.the process of evolution has clearly demonstrated this.
however, i digress a dark life would merely represent a form that has in some way adapted and perfected it's particular strategy for survival.
take titan and its potential promise. we have no idea how life can exist there.yet it is wholly and entirely possible.a place where water is lava, bubbles flow down , not up and somehow amino chains exist.when we think of some life functions we consider the chemistry, a science that deals with at least two other universal forces at any one time. life, occurs at a prime condition and is specific. much like gravity , whose origin still eludes us. it also demonstrates a duality like light being both matter (particle based) and wave theory applicable (emf , as is demonstrated by a shark and pretty much every other fish in the ocean, the lateral line, hammerheads bring this into a good focus considering their unique shape to the species of shark is strictly to detect the emf of prey below the sand). Life has a similar duality being a cycle and a universal matter recycling thing. not sure what to call that..sounds too 50's sci-fi..'quick robin use the matter recycling feeder apparatus and eat that bat burger'...holy antivegan plug batdude we are going to get hate mail...anyways..
seriously and sanely, yes, but i don't suspect it to be definitely different then us.see, the physical laws of the universe are set. everything has to abide by them to exist, in theory for instance, to demonstrate what i mean. there very well could be life on the moon. as at one point from the central focus of the solar light from the sun as it reach the far ends of the globe. there should be considerably a prime spot for life as it would exist on that environment to occur.would we see it? not likely, no atmosphere, however the physical universe and its laws suggest that since, microbes can live in ice (freezer burn is an example) and that since even when it is 'solid' ice classifies as an atmosphere due to the distance of the atoms and the movement, making it somewhat see through.it is highly likely. that moon at Jupiter is a prime example of what could potentially exist.the fact that sunlight has been proven to not be required for life to exist by the tube worms alone opens this aspect up completely.heck i would even wager that since that microbe in that Californian salt water solution was able to rewrite it's dna to include arsenic. whether manipulated or not demonstrates immutable possibilities.
so i would think, in theory at least, that yes, it is highly possible there is dark life. as life is a universal force. as for seeing it, that is hard one.because it would be specific to it's domain and its particular strategy. in a funny way, i wouldn't know a cave salamander exists if it wasn't for a flashlight. thanks for the interesting question.hope i at least entertained you


Thanks for the reply, Some verry interesting answers in there, Il have another read through it as iv got a bit of background noise atm and not realy able to concentrate, But you have given me a bit more to think about.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by qonone
Wonder if Bashar knows that Anka is making money off him.

This is the problem, money. And i am a firm believer of ET.


I have only read the first page of this thread, and I care not to read anymore.. but I will say this, out of all the ridiculous responses QONONE is the only one that has made a decent one, and he's on track imo. Bashar is about as factual as ghosts are.. you might have seen something you think is there, but it isn't proven. Until then stop reading every article you come acrossed over the internet.

I'm a believer in UFO's and aliens.. I actually have seen what appeared to be a UFO in the sky.. but this threads basis for an argument is extremely weak. Using Bashar, and an article and picture that someone posted on the internet about life on another planet IS NOT FACTUAL EVIDENCE.. people will, with open arms, accept ignorance in their lives and say there are no aliens, or they don't have any interest in earth so let them.

I personally feel sorry for the religious/biblical followers.. they have everything short of the smoking gun that religion is a joke, yet they keep on goin.. but I don't post ridiculous articles and throw it in their faces.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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You're right, I imagine the existence of Aliens would have a huge impact on society, but for all the wrong reasons, especially if the current generation is anything to go by. I'll wake up one morning and turn on the TV and lo and behold, the first thing I'll know about Alien disclosure is when I see an Alien on the TV show "Big Brother". The Alien has only just stepped off his spaceship and they've already dumbed the poor sod down.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by kauskau
The book about iarga describes in my eyes the perfects society. The perfect social structure. They have technique which can make us stop working so hard for the future.
Its all about abundance.

We already tried this kind of idealism on earth. It didn't work out.


Originally posted by kauskau
DO you believe there is a society out there that has technique with which you dont need to learn anymore but can just download any information and understand it as you want. Well i do.

Aliens who can travel here surely have a society we can learn from.

I accept the possibility. Prove it. Ultimately what you've posted reads like you want to just exist in some womb state where everything is fed to you and you never have to put any effort into anything. Real change comes from real struggle, real sacrifice and real effort. It's just a fantasy to think of a world where you do nothing and are fed everything and live on a spaceship just caus thats how it is. It's not real and its ridiculous.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by XplanetX
but they are not creatures from distant galaxies, they are simply demons.


now this is some idea i'm really sick of.
i'd rather believe in homer simpson than in anything organized religion related.




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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you sicken me, your lack of altruistic openness is a blight on your search for truth and will only serve to keep you stupid.
Just because your self limited capabilities say "there is no alien life" and you believe it, and your lack of experience reinforces that mindset, does not mean you are right, if anything you should have an uncertain mindset about the subject.
Or is it, you think the Human race is special and can only be the one "race" living in this universe?.
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Your wrong and i thank god anachronisms like yourself are going to have to realise how incredibly myopic and dunderheaded your beliefs are, eventually.
I also hope you print of your original post at that point and eat your words.
It is boring having you denigrate people who want to try and present the truth, only to see, the intolerance of the uneducated being expressed as absolute fact, the mediaeval vatican comes to mind.
I see the sun in the sky and it goes around us, the centre of the universe.
It is plainly obvious that you do not know what the truth is.
Good luck waiting for another race to land on the whitehouse lawn, it is after all the "best defended airspace in the world", (oh yeah thats right there was a fly over in 56').
At the moment disclosure is happening on a personal basis, if you really want it to happen you just have to honestly open yourself to the experience and ask for it with a sense of heartfelt truth in your "I want to know".
What you got to loose? self respect for asking?.


With the wealth of information available, your short sightedness cannot see beyond the end of your nose and the hand you place in front of your face.

DNA doesn't lie.


The rest of these vids are worth watching too.

I also don't expect you become a believer until you experience the event that makes you one, until then, it's more fun being a septi, just dont be a septic for septicisms sake..
Roswell was evidence, the starchild is evidence, there is evidence out there and lots of it, it just depends on how high your septicism lifts your sense of expectancy as to what you will accept as being the truth.
And to say there is no evidence at all is not being honest.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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you sicken me, your lack of altruistic openness is a blight on your search for truth and will only serve to keep you stupid...........................

Altruistic openness huh? Your entire post is filled with venom for everyone who doesn't subscribe to your specific worldview.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by kauskau

well instead of searching for hard facts..why dont you just watch 10 minutes of bashar and try to understand why i said the proof lies within how he talks..do you think you wont perceive what i mean..
but i say :it takes more than a few minutes to see what i mean.
of course this thread will not bring anything new to the table. The bashar stuff exits for more than 24 years..and it has its fanbase..And the fanbase has not also people who are in other positions than being just internet nerds or alien fanatics.
Just watch this video and try at least this whole video to see it with my eyes and BELIEVE..that he is the real deal.


I have no idea where you are coming from (in the symbolic sense, it's slang
), how old you are and WHY you are so impressed with his messages.

YES, i watched some of the videos, i read some of the transcripts.

Here is the deal: I myself am interested in those and related subjects for several DECADES already, i saw Erich v Däniken in person when i was a kid and read a S***TLOAD of books about Ancient Aliens, UFO abductions, Crop Circles, Meta Physics, you name it, i probably read it.

NOTHING what he says is in any way new or hasn't been stated already or convinces me in any way of what HE says is in whatever way special/genuine or (excuse me..even "original").

For example i watched this "channeling" about where he gives a short explanation why SETI didn't pick up a signal yet. He is just regurgitating what i personally heard already many years ago, how there is a likelihood that many civilizations out there are already too advanced and beyond the level of using radio waves...and maybe some are too young and their signals are still on the way etc..etc...

This is common knowledge and every halfway intelligent person (as he OBVIOUSLY is) can give such a speech. So what? Go on the internet and read up on stuff and you can get the same information or make up your own mind and come to such conclusions.

As for the crystal skulls...am i amazed how he is able to "talk" in lengths and just use what i call "empty word shells" like "vibration" etc. and talks and talks without really SAYING ANYTHING.

So..what personal "information" or "gain" did you get by hearing that lengthy speech...some obstruse information about some "13 masters" who created 13 Skulls for whatever odd reason wishy washy pseudo-science which even fails on a spiritual/insight level.

Wouldn't it be great if you hear a person like that and..instead of hearing filler words and empty "word shells" ..to say "WOW! This is really some new insight there!" or..."This is a really good way too explain things even if it's non conventional - but it's good" - BUT NO..it's just the same blah blah you can get from any other new-age book/movie etc. using the same, meaningless words to stretch out what is being said.

When it comes to photons/SETI etc....what he does (what i said above) just repeating already existing wisdom and insight...and when it comes to really deeper and more interesting questions (eg. crystal skulls etc.) then he uses the new age blah blah and cliches.

OF COURSE - you will tell me now "i wont get it", right. Since a) i am either intellectually not capable of following him (yes, lol) or b) i am spiritually/metaphysically not "awakened" enough to follow his (what you think) "amazing insights" - whatever.

** On an interesting side note:

Because i was actually going over some of the "channeler sites" you linked in your first post (AFAIK)...i think it's extraordinary that the Aliens constantly communicate in/about highly abstract and DEEP, DEEP metaphysical subjects. In other words: If humans ask them...there is hardly some "boring" answer about everyday life on their planet..but it's mostly "far out" spiritual insights or "lessons"..with an amazing goal to always want to "teach" mankind in a spiritual sense.

"Common" issues seem obviously not be interesting. In other words: The Aliens act all like stoned hippies which get a kick out of teaching meta-physics etc...as if THIS would be only way to communicate with humans.

Eg. they can not do different than talking about "vibration into the 5th dimension" new age stuff....since this is the ONLY thing they are capable of talking about, right?

Wouldn't it be funny if it turns out the Aliens used the crystal skulls simply as paper weights?

Needless to say you will never hear such a thing since everything what they do..and every way they interact with Earth/humans etc. has a deep, deep spiritual meaning. Yeah, right.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Dear Dannk,

I disagree- In my opinion, a peaceful ET race, would not announce their arrival on a alien planet; based on the defense and security of the starship and crew from falling into evil hands.

Any greedy government on our Earth, which in my opinion- is all of them- Knew about their arrival at a specific landing zone of an ET Starship, would probably result in one of the greedy governments trying to capture the ET Starship and crew; by any means necessary.

The present day stealth actions of ET Starships on Earth, is in my opinion- Totally appropriate, considering the nature of an alien hostile planet like our present day Earth.

Considering the ET's as "demons," - In my opinion- Is just something conjured up in back of peoples minds, who are fearful and prejudice of the unknown.


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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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No open mind needed

just present the proof.

As far as aliens not existing...well, I don't -believe- that, I tend to -believe- there are probably tons of life around the cosmos, from single celled organisms, to full blown galactic civilizations...but for now, there is no actual smoking gun proof of this, so its still just speculation and hypothesis on a offical level.

I think one would have to be foolish or mathmatically challenged to think this is the only game in town, but until there is proof, then yeah, we go with what we know with a open mind that there will be more information offically coming one day.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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are some of you just flagging this because you want people to see your "genius" post? that must be it. there can be no other explanation as to why this thread got 41 flag, hell, there are more flags than stars.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Here is a dead giveaway that this is yet another hoax:



They say that their Sun is about 10 light years as we count time from us.


Well, if their Sun is 10 light years from us, then our Sun is also 10 light years from them! There is no such thing as "as we count time" when it comes to light distance, because light speed is constant.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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Here is a dead giveaway that this is yet another hoax:



They say that their Sun is about 10 light years as we count time from us.


Well, if their Sun is 10 light years from us, then our Sun is also 10 light years from them! There is no such thing as "as we count time" when it comes to light distance, because light speed is constant.

The text itself is full of things which invalidate it by any gradeschool science education. This thread is a complete farce and has snowballed into some kind of wild esoteric brick fight void of logic compassion or knowledge.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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i must say i feel you..and your view and would lie if i could not see it the way you do. .Yeah the crystall skulls dont even interest me. Lol maybe i am strange. but i am watcher. I always watch for people how they talk , how they think., how their vibe is, how they flow. I am a "flow maniac". i really am. I perceive when someone is in what i call the "zen moment". Not thinking. And just acting full out of the wisedom of source. Like in zen archery. i dont even listen to bashars words often. Yeah often it seems he talks much and all he does is drag me into that space where everything becomes "fluffy" and the meaning vanishes. At the end that was the most important lesson for me: everything is just words. My whole world view only consists of words. The whole world perception does. This gives me peace as now i feel i gained my power back to not let the "world/word" frighten me.

ah i am tired. lol
sorry.
Good points you made. It will not change my opinion. But : at the end. All that counts for me is that since i know bashar i lost many fears and live a lot better live witch much more "wonders" happening.

And in a way its more and more unimportant for me to get prove. If i wanted prove that the reality we live in is much more complex i could just take salvia divinorum. THere you will get all the proof you want. But hmm in a way. i dont even know why i posted all that stuff. I just feel one thing: it was right to do it.I dont know. And i really don´t care if i convinced you or not. Thats also something i really learned. Not expecting to much from the things i do and just trust life that it will take care of everything.
In a way i really live in a different world than many. It could be that they have a more sound and critical mind. But my world feels often more deep and more mysterious to me than the world of sceptic who needs evidence for everything "otherwise it did not happen" . I don´t feel that kind of approach. I dont want to be dependent on evidence. I feel that 3 D is only a small part of what our awareness is capable of. And i know the limitation i experience now will not be here forever. Its not natural to forget where we came from and if we are eternal or not.

All that counts for me is: we are much more than we perceive. And i don´t need evidence for that. The first time i awoke and wondered about: I AM---i knew it would change my view forever.
And bashar speaks from that oneness presence. Thats all that counts. But how could i proof that. I can´t.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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if you are interested in something which you can proof ...always and is spiritual at the same time. Listen to that guy.




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