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America didn't do much in World War II (in Europe)

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 05:49 AM
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Why do you all even care about world war 2 , its not like you were involved or had remotely anything to do with , what our ancestors did .
We should just be happy that things didnt go any further and get any more destructive.

Stop bringing up the past and using it as ammunition to start trolling , and to spark arguements which arent even close to debate.
Every thread states one or two facts , then the rest is personal opinion which causes more arguement.

Lets use that war and every other war fought since to learn from so we dont end up perpetrating the same crimes as our ancestors did !




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 05:54 AM
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If you want to look at who contributed most to world war 2 then it was nazi germany , they were the ones who had the scientists working on the A bomb . which were then stolen by america and then used to end the war . so really germany contributed the most in terms of ending the war

ETA: alot of what I say is simply sarcasm !

but some times I actually mean it
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 05:58 AM
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Nice troll bro..

Every country involved in fighting in WWII lost a lot of people in the war.. period. I personally don't care who "did the most".. I'm just glad the right side won.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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IF the spirit of 'deny ignorance' truly wanted to reveal itself on this site,
This entire thread would explode into a crap splattered acre of fertilizer and be wiped from the surface of the earth.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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it was a joint effort, end of



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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Would the war have lasted so long in europe if it wasn't of America? After all they funded it didn't they?



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
Nope, the Americans did nothing during the Second World War. Tell that to the relatives of the hundreds of thousands of dead men who are buried in war graves (just in Europe). Tell that to the long dead who lost their lives storming the beaches in Normandy. Tell that to the troops who fought alongside us Brits in North Africa and those who pushed back the Japs, whilst losing huge numbers.. Those that fought in Burma, Midway and other theatres of war, some of which you will probably never hear of.

But, above all. Remember all those people, soldiers and civilians, the majority who had no desire to fight and die.
Axis troops and Allied alike. Most were just poor souls, dragged away from their families and forced into killing each other. May they all rest in peace.
edit on 16/8/2011 by TheLoneArcher because: Spelling

edit on 16/8/2011 by TheLoneArcher because: (no reason given)


I could not agree more,my Granfather was in a prisoner of war camp in Burma for ten years untill the Americans
had him released,untill that day he was on a chain gang building the now famous Burma railroad[i have a thread titled "did the japs have right to shoot"] Nobody in family even knew he was alive untill a phone call one rainy morning. A wonderfull day for us,for him he had lost innocent men and life would not be the same ever again.
I may say to the op ,get a grip of yourself, your thread is pointless. It can only insult people or worse cause untold suffering for family members of HEROS!!!



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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Your brave posting this on ATS as over 50% of members are from the US.

Could not agree more though. All Americans seem to believe they had a huge impact on the outcome of WW2, when in fact, they had one of the smallest impacts.

Try telling this to an American and you will soon be served with a not so fresh saying of "We saved your ass in WWII" or "If it weren’t for us cheap little men you'd be speaking German right now."

If they actually did their own research they would be shocked at how little they contributed compared to other countries. Sadly though, they are too stubborn to admit it so you'll just get flamed with insults and random BS they believe to be facts.

Americans make me laugh.


Enjoy!



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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first ground forces of USA and Germany meet on 4 april 1943 on sicilia and war over at 9 may 1945-i think u can count-thats the fact-USA against germany was less then 2 years (it was a ranger bataillon against german ground infantry on sicilia)

another fact
there was 500.000 soldier casulty by Berlin against vienna war in the 7year war that was 1756–1763 betwen Prussia against Austria
sorry-take it- the USA knows nothing about war



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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Are you insane
or just really misinformed


If you can't find it Online there are things called books, Libraries and many doc video's even old movies give a embellished somewhat loosely factual account of the events. A few newer movies also Saving Private Ryan for one. Hell go to a WWII Veterans Homes and get the info first hand where you can see the horror in there faces when they tell their account of the battles.

Try Googling George S Patton, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge , The Battle of Bastogne, Battle of Anzio Beach, Battle of Hürtgen Forest. the list goes on.

Overall loses are meaningless to who did what in the war. its measured by accomplishments and setbacks for the losses, even thought each battle the losses were staggering compared to days standards, more men were lost in one battle in WWII then Iraq and Afghanistan losses combined. 4,145 US 8th AF B-17, B-24 bombers were shot down in Europe. 4%+ average of every mission was lost and didn't return.

The information is out there you gotta make more of an effort, look harder.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Stalin made a Treaty with Hitler to be best buddies.

Hitler ignored the Treaty and decided it would be easy to slaughter Russians.

Be careful who you pick as friends. Always be ready for a fight.


Who killed more Russians, Stalin...or Hitler....I'd say STALIN...hands down.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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10 years in a POW camp? I doubt it, unless he was Chinese.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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I lived in Germany for a few years.....funny thing is many Germans had signs outside their homes saying things like "Thanks USA"....never seen one sign saying thanks to Canada



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Old77
Europe only Exists because of America. You think Stalin would have stopped at Berlin if the USA was not there to say uhm I think we'll take this half so there?


Hate to break it to you buddy, But Europe would still be around. The politics and national borders may have been different but saying that the US alone is responcible for Europe is a tad arrogant. I would suggest realising that yes the US did allot and paid a high price, as did France, The Soviets, Canada, The UK, Sweden, FInalnd, Greece, North Africa, India, China, Australia, New Zealand. Keep in Mind that the UK had offices in Berlin, not just the US, and the iron curtain was established due to NATO, which the US was hesitent to join. It was NATO that presented resistence to the Stallinist expansion policies. Besides, you forget that during WW2 the Soviets were Allies and the intial plan of FDR government was to institute solcialist policies. This was axed by his successor Truman and compleately eliminated by Dwight Eisenhower.

Either way I do think the origional thread is misguided, you can not say one country fought harder than another without having a level playing field, and the Soviets were fighting for substantially longer than the Americans.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by WildWorld
I lived in Germany for a few years.....funny thing is many Germans had signs outside their homes saying things like "Thanks USA"....never seen one sign saying thanks to Canada




Actually I think the Dutch are more pro-Canada. They have parades every year to celebrate liberation and the fact that the royal family sought safety in Canada during the war.

But you are right, in Belgium the US is seen as liberators, mainly due to the battle of the Buldge.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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They also started the ball rolling by funding the russian revolution. At the same time they were funding hitler and no doubt warming him of the russian jews who were going to invade europe. Yes the americans helped the second world war a lot. Once europe was on its knees they arrived like heros to sell thier help, to their friends. In a war they helped to start. Was a brillient plan for some rich people in wall street.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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You keep mentioning Utah and Omaha Beaches, but your not looking at Juno Beach which was Canadian, Gold Beach and Sword Beach (which were British).
"Operation 'Overlord' represented a previously unknown level of cooperation between allied nations, all struggling for the common goal of defeating Nazis Germany." members.shaw.ca...

Canada had 14,000 young men at Normandy that day. One of which is a Gentleman who lives out the road from where I live. I would imagine if you were to ask him, he would agree with the above statement. The above statement form the website provided shows exactly what the point what. Cooperation between allied forces to meet a common goal.

I will say on thing however; if you look at American records for WWI and WWII in the first they did not join until the Lusitania which was an American Ship was sunk by the German UBoats, and they did not join in WWII until Pearl Harbour was bombed by Japan. Does the make them any less valuable to either war NO, they were a great help, and it was the collective work of all allies that won us both wars.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by misterbananas

Originally posted by Frira
Absolutely! the Americans should never have bothered... well...

... there were those North Africa, Sicily, Italy, France liberation things, but other than that the US didn't do anything. Oh, there was also that Japan thing, yeah they did that, too, but other than that, nothing. Oh, and maybe we should mention China, just to be fair?

- actually china was an allie..... so that half should be removed

I was referring to the AVG (American Volunteer Group) and as well as our troops in China before the US part in the war and made the mistake of assuming that was common knowledge. What a coincidence, though...

Yesterday I was in an office and on the wall of that office was a picture of Bob Keeton, Flight Leader, 2nd Squadron, AVG, Flying Tigers. He just died this past January.

Cpl. Terence S. Kirk's book, The Secret Camera is an interesting read. He was at a USMC camp in China when the US entered the war.



yea cause they are 2nd world countries not 1st world countries

Well, people are people. Dignity, compassion, and mercy are due or not due-- but never based upon what part of the world, or what economic class they are from. Food, however, is due all humans, and real humans do not deny others that.


i edited it to make more sense


Yes, I see that you edited my words. I am not surprised you would rather put words in the mouths of others than stand up for or even behind your own.



posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by TrixXxtaR
Try telling this to an American and you will soon be served with a not so fresh saying of "We saved your ass in WWII" or "If it weren’t for us cheap little men you'd be speaking German right now."



Big talk from someone living in what is now basically just another pissant little european country. And one that seems to be trying very hard to become a muslim nation, at that. Haven't we recently read that Mohammed is the most popular name for baby boys in the UK, and that sharia law is allowed to be practiced. Let's see what happens when the U.S. doesn't bail you out this time.

So, how about you produce some real and reputable evidence that what you say is true. Evidence that the UK would still be a free and independent country without the Lend-Lease program, the blood of thousands of U.S. servicemen (and women) and no doubt, part of the Marshall Plan.

Waiting ...




posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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You go tell that to the Japanese people!

You have no understanding of their culture and their ancient history; just because their culture does'nt agree with yours, it does'nt make them slime.

I left an expansive video camera on a train while getting off in Tokoyo central many years ago.....I got it back the following day in excellant order. That would'nt happen at Central Station in NYC or LA.

And by the way, a close family member of mine spent 2 years in a Japanese POW camp during WW2 so I'm aware of what the Japanese are capable of doing just as what the Americans were capable of doing in American POW camps for the Japanese military.

None of us know exactly what would had happened had the A-bomb not been dropped on Japan except the war would had lasted alot longer. Japan was used as a testing ground; the A-bomb was originally built to drop over Germany.

You obviously know little of what the Canadians, Australians and NZers did in WW2 (let alone WW1). Among some of Britain's finest airforce pilots & gunners were Kiwis whom were immediately absorbed in to the British Airforce, not just because they were among the best, but because they flew low and always got their target.

You should take a lesson in ANZAC history.



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