originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: cavtrooper7
Truman no more called the shots than Bush or Obama.
By that point Wall Street owned US politics.
Agree with this statement by Texan. I think this is still true today...or more aptly certain central banks and insurance companys own US Politics..and
not all of them are American banks and insurance companies. They seem able to determine our foreign as well as domestic policy.
Very very interesting posts you have made. I agree with most of it.
Your post follow very much what I have learned from reading these books which are very much outside the mainstream of what attempts to pass for
history today. I believe this is also why so many in the UK have such a distorted view of Americas involvement in these wars..as do Americans
These books are..
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
Wall Street and FDR
Wall street and the Rise of Hitler
National Suicide ..Military Aide To The Soviet Union
The War on Gold.
All of these books by a Yale Professor named Anthony Sutton. Professor Sutton was so close to the mark that eventually no Ameican publishing house
would touch his material. In later years his material was published out of Australia. He had become persona non grata in academic circles. And
academic circles , like politics, is a very closed shop.
Further reading and revelation in support of your position IblisLucifer comes from a book by Curtis Dall titled
"FDR my Exploited Father In Law"
While there are lots of interesting tidbits in this book about FDR and Eleanor...the most noteworthy to me is Colonel Dalls account of being attached
to the US Embassy in Neutral Turkey and being approached by some Germans wanting to arrange a private meeting to discuss the war. What transpired in
this meeting was the existence of a plan to overthrow the Nazi Regime and surrender to the west. Many professional German Military leaders knew by
1943 when this meeting took place..that the war was lost. They did not want to lose or surrender to the Communist Russians. They wanted to surrender
to the West. This informations was passed on to Washington in the diplomatic pouch and nothing was ever heard or done about it. As I recall two of
these meetings took place and nothing happened about it. It seems someone wanted the war to continue. IF the German Military leadership would have
overthrown the Nazi leadership and surrendered many many lives would have been saved on both sides ..but the war had not accomplished what it was
intended to accomplish. The war needed to continue to achieve certain political and economic goals.
It was the same with Japan in the orient. The Japanese wanted to surrender in March and April of 1945..but the West ignored them. The destruction had
not been done in order to prepare the ground for the new industries to take place in Japan. The war had to continue. The fire bombing had not yet
And another poster is correct...the atomic bombs did not do that much damage to Japan...the fire bombing did much much more. This is today what we
would call.." Urban Renewal."
Only the bulldozers are bombers..not catapiller/tractors.
As to the Nazi trucks...I am aware of this in another facet..after WW2..in the 1960s. It is western companies through banks and banking..who built for
the Soviets the Kama River Truck factory to turn out trucks to go down the Ho Chi Ming trail and bring supplies to conduct the war...to keep the war
going. This was done with Western help. We built this factory through western technology and western know how.
This is found in National Suicide or Military Aide to the Soviet Union.
I believe this was also covered in a book many years before I discovered Anthony Sutton..and in a book called..
"None Dare Call It Conspiracy..by Gary Allen.
We seem to have a history of building our own enemies. NOne of these companies including lending institutions were to be found on trial at Nuremburg.
They should be.
I am of the opinion that one of the reasons the Nazis were held in check is that there seemed to be a banking connection to the Nazis through
Switzerland banks...with the Dulles family working for these controllers. They seemed to easily manage not only FDR and company but the Nazis as
well...and information ..I believe flowed through this channel...as well as monies and technology.
It is interesting to see on certain photos of the ME 109 aircraft being run up ...and the fuel symbols son some of them..Shell...Esso...et al. I
believe the Nazi contracts for oil ran and were completed through 1943 from Venezuela.
It is indeed a strange and tangled web in which the world actually runs..not what is presented in the history books.
My knowledge of the British and French is that after Waterloo..the French Army was at the disposal of the British or more aptly..the Crown. When it
came to hard fighting the French and other allies like the Gurkas were to do most of the dying and fighting.
The British were to manage most of the dialy affairs and running of the Empire but the hard fighting and dying was to be left to others.
Also keep in mind that the British were never able to field a large land Army. They had a very efficient Navy but never a large land army. This
created huge problems in managing an Empire. This is an understanding avoided in most history books.
I laugh when I hear these statements about us not entering the war/wars until much later..as if we Yanks are to fault for this. As if we automatically
by default owe the Brits or someone else our finest blood.
The Brits and the French Combined ..discovered that they could not handle the Germans in the trenches after years of death by mostly the French on the
line. It was only after the French mutinied and went on strike that the Brits found a way to get us in the war for them...and through their boot lacky
..Woodrow Wilson. And at a later date their boot lacky was to be...FDR. In todays times their boot lacky was to be both of the Bush's to do their
bidding for them.
History has a way of repeating itself if you know a bit of it outside of what is normall taught to most people.
The British people as well as the Americans have been deceived by what passes for history. And I fault Americans particularly for not doing enough of
checking up on their leadership ..or history to know any better. The frightening thing to me is that theses people are voters. Very scary today.
We need to sit the next war out and let the others handle it...take care of our own business as Charles Lindbergh wanted with his "America First"
political party....an early type of Tea Party. Lindbergh did not want America to get into world politics ...until he realized how deep FDR was
controlled by outside interests. Then he realized war was coming to this country.
As I stated in my earlier posts..we keep getting involved in these wars and crisis after crisis..spill a lot of blood and material..but bring home no
new territories or spoils. These wars are not what they appear to be. They never were what they appear to be.
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