America didn't do much in World War II (in Europe)

a reply to: misterbananas

R U MAD BRO?

Yeah the soviets did alot of work on their end, but they HAD to, their border with the nazis was HUGE, it was naturally a huge fight.

BUT they would not have been able to win, if it were not for THE USA which stormed Normandy along with a few Brits and Canadians, putting pressure on the western Reich.

Dont forget we also helped out in North Africa, and also spearheaded the invasion of fascist italy.



YOUR POINT BEING?

a reply to: 8fl0z

if it were not for THE USA which stormed Normandy along with a few Brits and Canadians,

A few Brits and Canadians? That comes across as quite dismissive of the sacrifices made by British and Canadian soldiers - as if they were just a token force.

originally posted by: 8fl0z
a reply to: misterbananas

R U MAD BRO?

Yeah the soviets did alot of work on their end, but they HAD to, their border with the nazis was HUGE, it was naturally a huge fight.

BUT they would not have been able to win, if it were not for THE USA which stormed Normandy along with a few Brits and Canadians, putting pressure on the western Reich.

Dont forget we also helped out in North Africa, and also spearheaded the invasion of fascist italy.



YOUR POINT BEING?

Erm, the British and Canadians had three beaches at Normandy and it was Monty's 8th Army that invaded mainland Italy.

I really would like to mention the thousands of war items sent to Russia by the Americans, tanks, aircraft, boots, greatcoats, food, there is a website that gives a complete run-down on just how much material the Americans sent to Russia, Britain sent as much as it could spare as well, the poster needs to read the terrible history of convoy PQ17 (I think) in the middle of winter, where a person lasts 3 minuets in Arctic water, where most of the sailors ended up.
As for Russian commanders, Stalin purged all the really officers (had them shot), and at the beginning of the great patriotic war, Stalin interfered in all aspects of military planning, the Russians had to learn the hard way.
I could go on, but whats the bloody point?

originally posted by: 8fl0z
a reply to: misterbananas

R U MAD BRO?

Yeah the soviets did alot of work on their end, but they HAD to, their border with the nazis was HUGE, it was naturally a huge fight.

BUT they would not have been able to win, if it were not for THE USA which stormed Normandy along with a few Brits and Canadians, putting pressure on the western Reich.

Dont forget we also helped out in North Africa, and also spearheaded the invasion of fascist italy.



YOUR POINT BEING?

A history lesson for you free of charge

The D Day invasion of Normandy, code named Operation Overlord was conceived by Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery

There where more British & Canadian troops involved than Americans

Two thirds of all the ships, landing craft and air craft where British ( i mean British, and not stuff bought at a large cost from The U.S.)

edition.cnn.com...

Posted by steveknows from page 11 of this thread.

No body who knows world history, and it does differ from American history, denies the effort and sacrifice of the U.S however there is a trend of Americans to believe that the U.S won the war which isn't true. The U.S broke the stalemate. The U.S enterd the war with untrained inexperienced forces and it showed in the beggining. History also shows that the U.S often didn't take the advice of it's allies who'd been fighting since 1939.

There is some truth to this..except that we never should have gotten into these wars in the first place..WW1 and WW2 both. None of our business what happened in Europe.
THe USA has entered many wars with untrained and inexperienced troops but the same could be said of England. They too were caught flatfooted in the war and totally unprepared with military materials and technology. They had spent their monies on social programs between wars and for votes...just as they are doing today. And so too with the USA..social programs...for votes.
The British Tommy and Sailor are in pitiful condition today ...lots of high tech but not much of it at all. Economically they are going the way of Soviet Russia...So too the American Economy...and military..downsizing while politicians get fat on votes and social programs on the public purse...and our economy as well as the English economy is going in the tank.
All the while we are fed a constant stream of distractions to let us believe something is going on which is not going on...it is a distraction from true conditions.

When U.S forces first arrived in England they were given a bookle from the U.S defence force. That booklet explained to them that there was nothing they could say or do to impress the English that was because England knew war and the average london child had more combat experience than the average American soldier.

So what?? American is accountable for this??? This is textbook of English snobbery. This is like a woman thinking she is sitting on the only one in town. This attitude happened also in WW1. By WW2 allot of American military leadership were aware of this template. The Canadians found this out to their detriment at Dieppe. The British military and leadership were always snobbish..thinking everyone belonged under their command and leadership. Ask the Aussies too about this template in WW1 and WW2..the Anzacs....The British drinking tea..while others go ahead..and pave the way for them. This is one of the reasons the French fell out with the British after WW2...among others. They had enough of dying for the Crown's interests around he world with their La Grande Armee. Remember ..it was the French who did most of the dying in the trenches in WW1. The French too knew how the British worked.
Americans are not that bright.they like to Smooch British Backside. At least the French caught on.

The lend lease thing in truth was unfare. England was giving up bases and empire for things such as ww1 warships.

I know...precisely.. America's duty and obligation is to give first fruits to England at great discounts if not for free. All the while our troops get second or third best of what we produce. Makes sense to me. It's logical ..reasonable ..and very British. The lions share of someone else’s goods and blood...right???
Wise up here..after the war..England was giving up bases left and right..because they could no longer afford to maintain them. One of the last useful bases they maintain ..or should I say ..we maintain for them is Diego Garcia. We lease this from the British..otherwise they could not afford to keep it. Gibraltar is also one of the last...and for obvious reasons..it controls the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea.
Many of our own bases today in the orient are narrowing down to Diego Garcia and in Australia..like Pine Gap and whatever we are doing in and around..Alice Springs.
Militarily ..England is in the same position they were just before WW2...unarmed and unprepared.
Someone would also like the USA in the same exact position. If you look carefully you can see history repeating itself here again.
Even the USA is giving up a lot of her bases from a post WW2 stance...and rightly so. A lot of Americans were upset that the Americans were protecting Japanese industries after WW2...the Japanese had minimal military expense.

The U.S played a major role and acheived some great things but it did not win the war on its own and it couldn't have done so. and alot of the time the enemy was already worn out or punch drunk before the U.S got there.

The USA should never have gotten into WW1 or WW2. Only America is so stupid that they spend millions and millions on war for someone else's spoils and shed their blood everywhere where we so do. Only Americans can be this stupid and survive.
The Victors get the spoils...as the history states. What spoils did America get after WW1 and WW2? IF you do not understand the question it means that if we did not get any spoils..we were fighting someone else's war for them and spilled our finest blood all over the globe for someone else's profits? We did not get any new spoils or territories. This continues unto today. This is also how I knew from the beginning the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were phonies...for someone else's profits..not for Americas well being.
And we are continuing to so do today...in the middle east. Fighting someone else's wars and for someone else's profits.
Our leadership, our media, our pubic education are all covering this up to keep us on the treadmill and not thinking.

This is a resource war which has been going on since the days of the Spanish Armada and continues unto today. Different nations come and go..different characters take front and center. Bit the Resource War continues...and in a manner not known or seen by most peoples.

You can tell it is a show and a political program..propaganda ...because whenever our own leadership needs us to climb on the bandwagon and stop thinking for ourselves..they often describe the latest bad guy they themselves created ... "as a Hitler."
This is your prime index or tell tale sign that a con job is about to take place any you as an American are supposed to stop thinking and obediently become emotional and climb on the bandwagon..to follow..not to think for yourself.

Bewarned..you are going to see this happen..soon enough and again.
Orangetom

originally posted by: misterbananas
alot of Americans say that their country was the big hero in WW2 they always say that they did the most to win the war. but they didn't even fight as hard as the The Soviet Union did... The Soviet Union had 8 million military casualties during world war 2 and 14 million civillian casualties during WW2 with a population of over 186,000,000 total people the USA had 416,000 military deaths with a population of over 131,000,000 total people with only around 1000 civilian deaths... now the Soviet Union had around 13.50% total population lost as compared to 0.32% lost in the USA... now they also say that Canada did not do as much as they did. we had .40% population lost with 0 Civillian casualties, also Canada had been the first country to declare war on Germany. (September 9th 1939.)

Deaths equate to good fighting or how much one did? The Soviet Union was using antiquated WWI weapons and didn't have enough for all their troops. They barely made it out of their back yard in the war as Germany kicked their butts. Their only real weapon was winter...hehe

US Ammunition was being made in 1939 and sold to Nazi Germany until Decemeber 1941 which is when Pearl Harbour happened and then the USA declared war on Japan and then Germany, Japan's allie, declared war on the USA, the things sold to Germany until 1941 would include mortars and bullets.

So, we were not at war with Germany, and we almost joined them. Not sure your point here...

Now, americans always talk about fighting nazis in World War 2 but if you try to find them actually doing so on a search engine you will not find barely anything about the USA in Germany inbetween 1941-1945 except Omaha and Utah squadrons on the beach in Normandy being the only times i could find records of the USA fighting Germany... not to mention the war in Japan had continued 2 months after the war in Europe. yes I do know of the POW camps in Canada i live near one, Neys Park, where Japanese people were held obviously as Prisoners Of War.

All of Europe would be speaking German without us..enough said...

All of Europe would be speaking German without us

No they wouldn't

BTW who else but the Americans had the Pacific front?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
BTW who else but the Americans had the Pacific front?

Read some history books and you will find the answers.

I will give you a start with this

The major Allied participants were the United States, the Republic of China, the United Kingdom (including the armed forces of British India, the Fiji Islands, Samoa, etc.), Australia, the Commonwealth of the Philippines, the Netherlands (as the possessor of the Dutch East Indies and the western part of New Guinea), New Zealand, and Canada, all of whom were members of the Pacific War Council.[25] Mexico, Free France and many other countries also took part, especially forces from other British colonies

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: alldaylong

No they wouldn't

British bombers 31,000
American bombers 46,000

British military 3.5 million (

the army suffered defeat in almost every theater in which it was deployed prior to 1943)

US military 16.1 million

British Tanks 30,000
US Tanks 88,000

Need I go on... Britain would have fallen like all the rest of Europe did to Germany without our support. The USSR would have been last, but they would have gone down too.

originally posted by: alldaylong

The major Allied participants were the United States, the Republic of China, the United Kingdom (including the armed forces of British India, the Fiji Islands, Samoa, etc.), Australia, the Commonwealth of the Philippines, the Netherlands (as the possessor of the Dutch East Indies and the western part of New Guinea), New Zealand, and Canada, all of whom were members of the Pacific War Council.[25] Mexico, Free France and many other countries also took part, especially forces from other British colonies

en.wikipedia.org...

Ya, just like Afghanistan...

Many countries there but mainly one doing the vast majority of the work. hehe

Xtrozero,

All of Europe would be speaking German without us..enough said...

I think you mean that much of Europe admires the Germans and particularly the Nazis for their hatred of the Jews...don't you?? And that much of Europe is going to speak some form of Arabic?? Sharia ..et al??

I sense that behind the scenes this is also the goal for England and eventually the USA...Sharia.

Someone was not successful with Communism here in America..they will settle for Sharia...by default.

Orangetom

a reply to: Xtrozero

Britain was never under threat of Invasion once Hitler had been defeated at The Battle Of Britain in 1940.

If Britain had been beaten, then where do you think the Normandy Landings would have been launched from?
Ireland maybe LOL

Britain didn't need The Americans when we kicked Hitlers arse in North Africa and sent Rommel home with his tail between his legs.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: alldaylong

The major Allied participants were the United States, the Republic of China, the United Kingdom (including the armed forces of British India, the Fiji Islands, Samoa, etc.), Australia, the Commonwealth of the Philippines, the Netherlands (as the possessor of the Dutch East Indies and the western part of New Guinea), New Zealand, and Canada, all of whom were members of the Pacific War Council.[25] Mexico, Free France and many other countries also took part, especially forces from other British colonies

You really do need History Lessons badly.

The British Empire had over 1 million troops in Burma alone.

en.wikipedia.org...

Oh dear i can see who i am dealing with here.

edit on 27-12-2014 by alldaylong because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: alldaylong

Oh dear i can see who i am dealing with here.

Oh dear, ain't we a bit stuffy...

The Japanese in the Pacific were armed and technology was transferred to them to build a modern navy and army.

It was Japan which was to be the vassal or protector/policeman of the British Crown's interests in the Orient..particularly the trade in China.

Japan at best had a brown water navy or a coastal navy/merchant fleet...before heavy involvement by Britain and America. It was these two countries who showed the Japanese how to navigate the blue waters..build ships to so do ...and eventually aircraft as well. And Japan learned quickly.

But Japan realized that in order to successfully feed such a machine required resources and these were held under the sway of the British and French.

And Japan plotted to take these resources from the British and French and to become the hegemon in Asia under a doctrine called

"Asia for the Asiatics."

And they mistakenly thought that when they made their move...China would join them. They found that China was under English or British Crown control...banks and banking. And Chang Kai Shek was their boy..through the Soong banking and finance family. Madame Chang Kai Shek is a Soong.

The five ideologies of space and time in this Resource War are these..

1. Asia for the Asiatics

2. Pan Slavism

3. Pan Germanism

4. Pan Americanism

5. Anglo Saxon Control and Rule of the World.



Of these only the last ..number 5 still exists in some form with America working secretly for the British Crown and doing their bidding when called upon..but made to look center stage as if they, America, are calling the shots.

I am not talking about the British Government as in House of Lords and House of Commons..but the British Crown merchants out of London...involved in world trade monopoly and brooking no interference in their profits.

It was they who carried out the Opium Wars using the British Navy/Army to go to war for them when needed...for profit.

It was they who gave up slavery long before the United States because they found a much more profitable way to make slaves with less overhead that traditional slavery...and that means was Opium.

It is they who managed the Drug wars on Opium ..and still so do today. If you think this is idle talk...why is it that whenever Oil interests enter an area...by banks, banking, Insurance, and other companies supporting the oil business...drugs always follow?? Think it through carefully..particularly the banking angle.

But notice little of this history is ever taught to most peoples in public schools today..even through college levels.

Much of real history today is missing from our grasps without extensive reading and decoding of what passes for this history.


Even the American Civil War takes a drastic turn when comparing the official versions with what is described by the Author Ben Ames Williams in his book "Mr Secretary." The biography of Edwin Stanton the Secretary of War under Abraham Lincoln and using the pen name Ben Ames Williams.

The entire Civil War for America takes on a very different light when one reads this version. Even the shooting of Lincoln in Ford's Theater and his movement across the street to the house where he died...a very different version through the eyes of Ben Ames Williams/Edwin Stanton than is in official accounts.

My point in all of this is to be careful...very very careful about official accounts in history for the victors write the accounts..and we as Americans are not often the victors.

Orangetom

originally posted by: alldaylong

If Britain had been beaten, then where do you think the Normandy Landings would have been launched from?
Ireland maybe LOL

That is my point. We provided 46,000 bombers, 16 million troops, 80,000 tanks and a huge amount of supplies, but for some reason Britain didn't need any of it to win...hmmm

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