Originally posted by MAC269
reply to post by Frira
OK my point is this, correct the allies would not have won WW2 with out the USA, this is for certain.
However it was not about helping the poor Europeans as I hear so often claimed.
In 1939 a little German Jew explained the meaning of an inch long formula that he had dreamed up to FDR.
Here is the proof
From that point of FDR knew the war not only had to be, but it also had to be won.
However FDR helped the UK long before the 7th of December 1941. Supplies and ships manned by the US to guard the convoys crossing the Atlantic.
If the UK had been lost in the summer of 1940 as looked extremely likely at that time the US would have been nuked by the Austrian fellow.
NO D DAY, NO Battle of the Bulge. NO nothing just nuclear inhalation for the US.
(A much better way to engage me than the first attempt. Thank you.)
The Einstein Letters you mention and linked, are of huge importance.
* That the Germans had prohibited the sale of Uranium ore out of Czechoslovakia,
* that the Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes of Science and of Physics were working with chain reaction,
* that the allied research was being published for all the world to see--
these things (and more) present a little known but very real peril for the allied nations.
In short Germany was going to make "the bomb" and the US was very likely going to be on the receiving end of it even if the US had only continued to
supplied "Guns & Butter." The whole world would have soon been at the mercy of the Axis powers.
As for the FDR and Pearl Harbor...
The US had long been flirting with war with Japan because of treaties with China (and others, I think)-- technically falling just short of acts of
Speculation has long been made that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor plans before it happened, and let it. The Japanese, however, do not believe that story,
and neither do most Americans.
The Japanese Admiral, famously observing that that attack was a mistake, "waking a sleeping giant." And he was right.
That has not changed about the people and government of the US:
Fire rockets, daily, into an ally's neighborhoods with whom the US has a defense treaty, and the US will clinch its jaws and show restraint. Fly an
airplane into a civilian target on US soil, and all bets are off-- bringing a battle to US soil will guarantee swift and sure reaction with no
restraints by the US.
"Don't tug on superman's cape; don't spit into the wind; don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger, and don't mess around with Jim." Jim,
in this case, being the US. None the less, there is a real tendency by many US citizens to take a view that the overwhelming end to WWII by US
superiority was a evil plot and not a reaction to the evil plot of others.
It is a US mentality not to provoke, but if provoked, respond by overwhelming force. You can read, I think, in those Einstein letters, that among
those who knew and understood the peril of German nuclear research, that there was a very real fear that the US would find itself overwhelmed unless
it took a course to overwhelm the enemy.
So to the world now, and the naive US citizens: Threaten the US with words that you will annihilate them and their allies, and the US will prepare.
Build (Iran), or help build (Germany, France) a breeder reactor to facilitate that treat-- the US will act, and it will lack restraint, and it will
The giant is not sleeping, but only going about its business. Underestimating the US military might and government's determination is to ignore
history. And with good allies like Australia, the UK, Canada, and probably others-- free democracies learned the lesson of 1930's-- be able to meet
any threat at any time, and never allow an enemy to be ready.
France, Germany and the former Soviet Union have not yet learned that lesson. China has. The nations which learned that lesson are those which, now,
no one will confront directly-- and THAT is a sign of a successful strategy-- no matter how hated it may be.