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Did Butch Cassidy Live to Tell? New Info!

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:12 PM
Old Text, New Wrinkles...

Did Butch Cassidy, the notorious Old West outlaw who most historians believe perished in a 1908 shootout in Bolivia, actually survive that battle and live to old age, peacefully and anonymously, in Washington state? And did he pen an autobiography detailing his exploits while cleverly casting the book as biography under another name? A rare books collector says he has obtained a manuscript with new evidence that may give credence to that theory. The 200-page manuscript, "Bandit Invincible: The Story of Butch Cassidy," which dates to 1934, is twice as long as a previously known but unpublished novella of the same title by William T. Phillips, a machinist who died in Spokane in 1937.

Stories abound of Sundance living long after his time in South America. But they're outnumbered by purported Cassidy sightings. A brother and sister of Cassidy's insisted he visited them at a family ranch near Circleville, Utah, in 1925. "The majority of those who were there believed that, believed it was him that came back," said Bill Betenson, who recalled that his great-grandmother, Lula Parker Betenson, used to talk about the visit by a man she identified as her brother, Cassidy.

This a fascinating story to me and the possibility that he not only may have survived the ambush in South America, but have lived to write an autobiography, is just amazing.

Here's my problem, though. This article says that he purportedly had plastic surgery done in Europe. But unless they had the technology back then to alter his entire jaw-line and the space around his eyes; I don't think this is the same guy. How about any of you, do you see a resemblance?

(Sorry about the size of the photo; my photoshop skills still need serious tweeking!
edit on 15-8-2011 by lowundertheradar because: (no reason given)

Here are the originals:

Ed Seely- above.

"The Wild Bunch" Butch Cassidy- seated on right.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Did you know that Charles Dickens (The Charles Dickens) was a relative of Butch Cassidy?

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 03:07 PM
If anything, I think the nose looks more like the one on the Sundance Kid's face.

How good were plastic surgeons in those days?

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 04:41 PM

During the seventeenth century, plastic surgery was again on the decline, but by the late eighteenth century, the pendulum had swung in the other direction once more. However, the next major advances in plastic surgery weren’t to be until the 20th century, when the casualties of war made reconstructive plastic surgery a necessity for many soldiers. In fact, it was World War I that brought plastic surgery to a new level within the medical establishment. Military physicians were required to treat many extensive facial and head injuries caused by modern weaponry, the likes of which had scarcely been seen before. These grave injuries necessitated brave new innovations in reconstructive surgical procedures. Some of Europe’s most skilled surgeons dedicated their practices to restoring their countries’ soldiers to wholeness during and after the war.
It was in fact around this time that surgeons began to fully realize the potential influence that one's personal appearance could exert upon the degree of success experienced in his or her life. Because of this understanding, aesthetic surgery began to take its place as a somewhat more respected aspect of plastic surgery.

History of Plastic Surgery

WW1: 1914-1918

The art of plastic surgery goes back millennia and is in fact, one of the earliest forms of surgery.

it should come as no surprise that plastic surgery may be one of the world's oldest healing arts. In fact, there is documentation of the use of surgical means for correcting facial injuries dating back more than 4,000 years ago.

-Its progression in Europe does coincide with the time frame in which Butch Cassidy was possibly there.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 06:10 PM

Rhinoplasty in Ancient India Plastic surgery does not get its name because plastic was used to reshape noses and cheek bones .The plastic in plastic surgery actually has its root in the Greek word plastikos meaning to give something shape or form. Evidence exists that cosmetic surgery was done by ancient physicians in India eight centuries before Christ.There were a surprisingly large number of noses in India that needed to be reconstructed. Noses were considered symbols of pride, therefore they proved to be quite tempting targets during warfare. Besides the multiple damages to Indian noses as a result of warfare, other noses required surgical repair following the damage brought on by punishment for legal transgressions. Amputation of the nose was considered proper and just punishment for a multitude of offenses, including adultery.The roots of ancient Indian surgery go back to more than 4000 years ago. Sushrutha, one of the earliest surgeons of recorded history (600 B.C.) is believed to be the first individual to describe Rhinoplasty. The detailed description of the Rhinoplasty operation by Sushrutha is amazingly meticulous, comprehensive and relevant today.


Many of the methods used for construction then are still relevant today. Here's the first 2 videos of 12 covering ancient plastic surgery procedures.

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