Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

reply to post by blocula

The point is that some were discovered 100 Million Years Later! And these were EGGS! Now how is it that if a Super Advanced Population did exist many Thousands of Years Ago...that there has never been any discovery of any kind?

There would have to be something that survived because of condition just as a layer of sediment near a river shore line was able to preserve fossils that are many Millions of Years old. SOMETHING would survive.

Split Infinity

Meh,

still so many pages of debate aka personal arguments etc. etc

Over a decent title that has a theory no one can prove or disprove....


Its pretty funny...


To me..

I think this MEH, its not that important if (A) yes it might be true.. Or (B). its Bullocks....


I think its rather amusing that the know it all are saying its bullcrap and they can prove it....

Ya like they were there to witness it...

Don't be a dope and dont be ignorant.....

Lemme say something that I can prove, this thread is a great example...

At one time or another a very very very advanced technology existed here, and still does if you consider what HERE is in the big picture... We are a construct from this technology....

I am sure at a time prior to Caveman days we were a tad bit more then men in caves banging women over the head dragging em around and eating raw meat etc....

Lets not forget either we survived the dinosaurs....

At one time we had to have some intelligence...

oh ya it was that cosmic event that saved mankind when it came to the food chain.. Err for mammals that is.. The big meteor that killed and wiped out the dinosaurs...

that is our best guess anyway.......

Just admit it...

You cannot prove exactly what, how, or who a damn caveman was eons ago...

move on...

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
Right, Harte. Because people play with Photoshop and make their own Giant images that Automatically means that Giants are a lot of crap. And All findings are hoaxes. You prove this second point by pointing to the Cardiff Giant and P.T. Barnum. Logically we can therefore conclude that All Giants are Hoaxes. Brilliant reasoning, my friend!

"Findings?"

You mean a bunch of reports on websites that mention old stories?

These are "findings?"

Check this out: link to some outlandish frontier newspaper claims

Page 94. Scroll down to the paragraph that begins "Following the example of Spirit of the Times...

Note the military academy that was housed in a hollowed-out turnip.

A Giant's turnip?

Fee Fi Fo Furnip!

If you were to spend a little time looking, you could find a great many more such newspaper "tall tales."

Here's a start:
link1
That's just an abstract to a jounalism research paper.

link2
That's a whole book on the subject

More:

An antecedent of the tall tale is the seventeenth-and eighteenth-century promotional tract, books like William Wood's New England Prospect (1634), John Josselyn's New England Rarities Discovered (1672) and An Account of Two Voyages to New England (1675), George Alsop's A Character of the Province of Maryland (1666), and John Lawson's A New Voyage to Carolina (1709), which feature deliberately exaggerated and spurious descriptions of flora, fauna, climate, and Native Americans. For example, Lawson describes the fertility of the Carolina soil, humorously noting that "eating peaches in our Orchards makes them come up so thick from the kernel that we are forced to take a great deal of care to weed them out; otherwise they make our Lands a Wilderness of Peach trees" (p. 115); Josselyn reports among New England's rarities radishes that grow "as big as a man's arm" (p. 336), a frog as large as a man, a goose with three hearts, and a wild cat with six whole geese in his stomach. Exercises in humorous hyperbole, these promotional tall tales not only accentuated American self-identity that came to be associated with the American frontier but also satirized English ignorance and gullibility about America. Earmarks of the tall tale also show up occasionally in William Byrd's 1728 The History of the Dividing Line when he describes alligators that swallow rocks to make themselves heavy enough to pull cows underwater to drown them and then afterward to regurgitate the rocks and squirrels that cross a river on pieces of bark, using their tails as sails.

From this site.

Also:

The forms of Southwestern humor typically included the following:
The sketch
The anecdote. Example: Twain's "The Dandy Frightening the Squatter."
The hoax.
Author reports wonders of the western frontier; most hoaxes masquerade as travel letters
Author hints at fictionalizing role and tries to tip off the readers
1843-4 Thomas Bangs Thorpe's "Letters from the Far West"
The frame tale. Example: Twain's "The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County," Thomas Bangs Thorpe's "The Big Bear of Arkansas.".

From here

Note what it says about "travel letters."

These (mostly) are your sources, dude. Sorry about that.


Harte

Originally posted by SirMike
Sorry, but I cannot buy it. Any truly advanced civilization will leave fingerprints on the land that will unmistakable. Although buildings facades may crumble, stone masonry work, foundations, metal implements, radioactive, and synthetics will survive in some recognizable matter for 10,000’s of years.

If they didn't use glass bottles, there'd be nothing left after a few generations. They also could have been more advanced than we are and didn't use things with extremely long half lifes.
www.ctenvironment.org...

Also, any stone structures are buried over time and to go further, if those areas are now underwater, we don't stumble across them.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Now you guys want to suggest that we were super advance over and over with everything recycling into the earth...cool...

I think were we sit is I do not see you speculating this as if we were drinking scotch and smoking cigars talking about the BIG WHAT IF.

I see you guys presenting this as the factual account to the history of the human race, and some of us say "show me the money" and all we see is humans stuck in some kind of evolutionary freeze, earth recycling everything, conspiracies holding back the little that we do get, and fringe site that are easy to disprove...

edit on 12-5-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

I'm only suggesting just Once. Really, that's all it takes. Not necessarily over and over. There are obvious time limits.

I don't deny the existence of wacky fringe sites, for there are wacky fringe sites out there for Everything if you care to organize an internet hunt.

What we have here are OOPArts, Cryptids, bits of ancient knowledge which are too advanced for its time, and evidence that people on different continents Shared things long before Columbus' time. Everything points to one thing: that the world at one time in the distant past hosted a global civilization which in turn replies the Technology to maintain such a society. And it fell apart. The tech was lost. People broke apart. Historical Amnesia fell across humanity as everything had to be reinvented again.

Or would you prefer that Aliens from space came down and played the God ticket, giving these people little tidbits of tech to play with and discard?

I go with the former theory. It's simple, direct, and avoids over-complicating things by dragging in humanoid ETs (or if you prefer, Demons and the supernatural). It's funny how people swallow up aliens in saucers abducting people but not something more down-to-earth like this. Probably have to put the blame on movies and TV...

reply to post by Harte


Tall tales are not the same thing as eyewitness accounts of excavations. In regards to just the Mound Builders alone, the recorded facts of one after another are just too close in description to be anywhere near your tabloid-quality pointing.

Might as well point to links of fairy tale books as "proof" that what we're discussing here is fake.
Might as well refer to pre-Apollo SF films like "Destination Moon" as Proof that the moon-landing was a hoax.

It does not disprove a thing.

You're cheap attacks on the subject matter is getting Really sleazy. You're disappointing me.

Originally posted by Obl1vion
Meh,

still so many pages of debate aka personal arguments etc. etc

Over a decent title that has a theory no one can prove or disprove....


Its pretty funny...

edit on 12-5-2012 by Obl1vion because: (no reason given)

Not just personal arguments but Psychological Attacks--you see that beating heart? That's there for a Reason!

In other words, kill the thread? I don't think so. Not when we're on the cusp of something BIG. Any Day now I expect to read some new info which fully supports the argument of this thread. If my sources don't fail me...

Incidentally, if anyone could prove or disprove something there wouldn't be any need for ATS.

reply to post by CaptainLJB


On the contrary...

ATS exists due to mankind's vices in the 21st century....

Not man's lack of understanding..





Most men have everything they need to DO ANYTHING... Including understanding...

Most men thou like you and the countless other people posting on this thread just to GIVE the MOST valuable opinion lack the FOCUS......



but of course... Your right....

I really just want the thread closed... Because that was what came first to mind..

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by blocula

 

So you are saying reminants of a Sky Scraper would not exist yet we have found intact Dinosaur Eggs that are over 100 Million Years Old...but you can not admit that there would be somethings that would survive fossilized or not from an Advanced Ancient Civilization? HA!
Split Infinity

For all we know, the bottom of the sea could be littered with skyscrapers. Just like in "Waterworld."
The undersea pyramids near Japan could just be the tip of the iceberg in this regard.
How Many Intact dinosaur eggs have we found?
Not that many. Bad example, really.

As for remains of ancient buildings, do I need to list the ancient sites such as Giza, Tiahuanaco and Machu Piccu. They're ALL OVER THE PLANET. Exquisitely pieced together to withstand quakes, Perfectly fitting stones. People all over the planet thousands of years ago just happened to build these things and just happen to Align them the same way. The Same Way. I see common skills and knowlege here. Just coincidence?

Or do I spell out Moving And Carving Multi-Ton Stones And Obelisks?
To this day nobody's sure how they were carved and moved. Frigging engineers say they'd need modern-day vehicles to handle them. Or maybe the Ancients had huge construction machinery?
If there was an ancient nuclear war, they'd be the only things still standing. Which appears to be the case if you read about India and various sites of irradiated glass which resembles the same effects from modern nuclear blasts, right down to the high radioactivity. And their scriptures describe in detail what sounds like the effects of nuclear fallout. The phrase "bombed back to the Stone Age" keeps resonating in my mind. In the same area ancient cities thousands of years old are excavated and reveal remarkable planning and layouts--as in Indoor Plumbing. Maybe these math and engineering skills just popped up out of nowhere on different continents amongst different people overnight? Or did they come from a Unified people who scattered after a major cataclysm but managed to somehow hang on to these skills?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by blocula

 

The point is that some were discovered 100 Million Years Later! And these were EGGS! Now how is it that if a Super Advanced Population did exist many Thousands of Years Ago...that there has never been any discovery of any kind?

There would have to be something that survived because of condition just as a layer of sediment near a river shore line was able to preserve fossils that are many Millions of Years old. SOMETHING would survive.

Because it would have been Confiscated by the government at once--Any government which could get their hands on it. And analyzed and duplicated, if at all possible. More than likely though it would have been a rotted-out husk of a machine. The closest Known item in this category is that Antykitheca mechanism. For all we know that might just be the tip of the iceberg.

Allow me to engage in a little speculation going back almost a century...
Hitler sent expeditions out around the planet to bring back ancient knowledge. Curiously enough German tech TOOK OFF at an incredible pace. Some say just as the war ended, the Nazis had built flying saucers prototypes (after their "Foo Fighter" drones failed to impress). The U.S.'s much later Operation High-Jump convinces me there's some truth to this. The proto-Nazis alone were Fixated on uncovering Secrets about their holy Aryan forefathers, delving into the occult, deciphering runes... Most of it was rubbish. But was All of it? They certainly had the know how to Decipher ancient hieroglyphics and languages. For all we know they could've latched on to something inscribed in Tibet which accelerated their technological development. In other words, Ancient Knowledge which Might have once destroyed an ancient high tech civilization Might have destroyed our own.

With that in mind, it's no wonder the world's governments are suppressing anything and everything having to do with our ancestors' past. Yeah, thousands of years ago these immense obelisks were constructed using stone knives over the course of decades (if not centuries) just for the fun of it. The Easter Island statues were built at the cost of their environment, too. Makes sense. Their precision and alignment was all just coincidental.
Geographically, here I go again, ever hear of the Great Circle of alignments of ancient sites? Easter Island, Giza, Machu Piccu and many more--draw a line through them on a globe and it goes around the planet perfectly. I say Global Civilization. You say coincidence.

Those in the know don't want the cycle to repeat again. If it does, it could mean human extinction.

reply to post by CaptainLJB

You have to remember that Cro Magnon...a form of Humanity that was around 60,000 years ago and was almost IDENTICAL to Homosapiens...ie...US!....not only had a larger Brain than we currently do but was so close in appearence that none of us would be able to tell the difference between a Cro Magnon and a Homosapien in a Police Line Up!

We are direct decendents from Cro Magnon with a little interbreeding with Neanderthal speckled here and there as Neanderthal was a Dead End of Humanity.

The point is that prior to Cro Magnon and prior to Neanderthal which is a bit older of a species even though for a while they shared the Earth with Cro Magnon....the previous form of Humanity was not of any possible stage of mental advancement to be Tech Savy. Only Cro Magnon had the Mental capabilities to be able to develop and understand High Tech. but even though they were smart...they were not Technologically Advanced and were the First Form of Humanity to develop Specialist Sociological Castes as a Father who was a Stone Worker taught his Son the Same Trade...still...they still had to be Hunters although they did begin to plant crops and domesticate animals...but as far as being ADVANCED?....this did not happen until about 67 years ago.
Split Infinity

Where i live right now,was a land of fire and lava,was the bottom of a prehistoric ocean,was a land of dinosaurs battling each other for food and dominance,was covered with mile high mountains of ice and snow,was the home of native americans who hunted and raised their children and those prehistoric sea floors are now dry land,those dinosaurs were hurled into extinction,those native americans were torn asunder and someday,the united states will be a very different place,someday, the united states will be a distant memory and someday,the united states will be totally erased and forgotten forever...

reply to post by CaptainLJB

I admit that some of this stone work is astounding and Carvings at the Obelisk at Karnack have been determined to be so precise that modern day engravers would have used a Computerized Diamond Tipped Laythe Drill to reproduce it.

The face of the Sphinx is even more amazing as when a photograghic negative is made of the face and is reversed as the negative is placed in reverse over the true picture...both sides of the face match up perfectly. The difficulty level of this cannot be overstated.

Another amazing feat of Stone work is the large very hard stones in Puma Punku where Huge Prefabricated Monolithic Stones were carved to such perfection that when fitted together even a Razor Blade will not fit in between them.

Still...this could very well be E.T. involvement and not some High Tech Super Race of Humans. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Humans did it, not aliens. Always dragging aliens into the picture as though humans couldn't invent technology themselves.

There's a Dr. Davidovits who, over the course of some 40 years, pretty much has proven that much of Egypt's ancient stone constructs were in fact molded. Artificial limestone blocks made from a kind of cement. That's how much of the multi-tonnage stones were moved--they weren't, they were poured and molded on-site. Quarry the stone in one location, transport it in groundup bits, turn it into concrete, and you can hand carry it in buckets if need be. The various super-detailed bas-reliefs and tiny sculptures--the same, though not necessarily employing limestone. This could very well solve most, if not all, the obelisks of the ancient world. And it would also support the concept that they shared a common formula, thereby were in contact with one another.

As for Puma Punku and other South American stone wonders of perfectly-fitting stones, there's another interesting theory. I can't remember the source, an old book, but it's one of those stories from a story from a story which dates back over a century. A man's spurs on his boots were melted after trekking through a jungle. He asked a local tribe about this and they showed him naturally growing plants (maybe carnivorous? All I can guess!) which excreted a substance which had that affect on certain materials, especially stone. The local birds had even taken to it, soaking leaves in it to "tunnel" out perfectly round nests in a stone bank. I guess they pecked with it. Anyway, extrapolating from this, it's not too difficult to see the ancient stone masons not perfectly cutting these stones to interlocking perfection, but Coating the sides of the stones with this substance so they became pliable and just dropping them into place. They would become form-fitting and eventually fit perfectly in place after they harden. Needless to say, to this day, these weird plants were never found. For all we know they might be long-extinct today.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Harte

 

Tall tales are not the same thing as eyewitness accounts of excavations. In regards to just the Mound Builders alone, the recorded facts of one after another are just too close in description to be anywhere near your tabloid-quality pointing.

Might as well point to links of fairy tale books as "proof" that what we're discussing here is fake.
Might as well refer to pre-Apollo SF films like "Destination Moon" as Proof that the moon-landing was a hoax.

It does not disprove a thing.

You're cheap attacks on the subject matter is getting Really sleazy. You're disappointing me.

Just trying to save you some time, should you ever decide to investigate the veracity of your own sources.

I'm starting to think you're not up to it, though.

I realize, even if you don't, that one usually cannot "prove" a negative.

Look, I have done this investigating. If you think a couple of 7 to 8-foot skeletons, buried along with thousands of other, average sized, natives (Adena) constitute a race of giants that preceded H Sapiens with some sort of high technology culture (these "giants" were buried with their "high tech" stone axes,) then you're just spouting completely unevidenced opinion.

There are 7 and 8 foot people walking around today, after all.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


A couple tall guys walking around are mutations, pituitary gland freaks (No offense, big guys!).
But a whole group of them--a race--living together in ancient times is a different story entirely.
The Mound-Builders were all tall and they fought the American Indians who killed them/drove them out of the land centuries ago. If you read about the Ingins you'll know this to be true. In fact there's been plenty of strange discoveries made centuries ago before America was colonized which, naturally, they tried to pin on the local Indians. Strange constructs, roads and things. The Indians never claimed they built them, but naturally if they were the only ones living here they had to, right? That's what we're supposed to believe today.

You think I haven't tried to debunk these weird things? I've tried but failed (owing to my weak mind compared to your superior one?). They keep leading me back to the same conclusions: Giants! Curiously with double rows of teeth, 6 fingers on each hand and 6 toes on each foot, and generally red or blonde hair. That's just the guys who walked around pre-Columbus America. Let's go elsewhere like Scotland and Ireland. Ancient vitrified castles from the Celtic Era were said to have been attacked by...Giants with red or blonde hair. To this day nobody can adequately explain these melted fortresses. Oh, they've tried to say it was done by the builders to fortify them, but that falls short as in many cases it weakens the construct and only certain areas are melted. In fact it would require temperatures over 1,000 degrees C to melt them. That's with a steady fire and the right weather conditions, too. Using Lots of wood. Scientists today have tried to duplicate the effect using wood fires but have failed. The castles actually look like they were attacked. Now we delve into their local myths: the castles were Attacked by these Giants endowed with magical powers. One such big dude was named Balor of the Evil Eye who used a powerful beam to blast his enemies. Turned whole armies to ashes, or so it's been said. Research this further and you'll notice that this "Eye" beam is described as being more Technological than Spiritual in nature. Seemingly needing to be "primed" and operated. Want more? These Giants were said to come from the North. Think Nordic now. In Nordic mythology there was a Giant named Baldr very much like Balor. Hmm...
www.jimfitzpatrick.ie...
This page has a Norse telling of Baldr's story, with pretty pictures:
www.hurstwic.org...

Sorry, I can't produce an actual Body for you to examine. But the remains of some of those Melted castles do still stand. Curiously enough though, I've read that these sites aren't protected and are being freely demolished. I guess people don't care about history or maybe they want to Bury it just as they bury oversized bones that they can't explain!

I just have troubles believing in this all being Coincidental. It all fits together too damned well. Scotland, America, Giants in prehistory. Giants with Technology (at least at one time in Their history). At least the ability to travel across the sea from "the North" to Scotland and to America before Columbus' time. Ancient global civilization or at the very least Navigation.

But what do I know? I just read a lot and try to connect the dots. If you wanna call Giants the stuff of fairy tales you can do that. You can call them Aliens if you like. I'm settling on a breed of ancient humans with tech coming out of their oversized asses.

reply to post by Harte


GIANTS
EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE (for believing in this stuff!)

Balor's Evil Empire gets their asses kicked by the Scots after the destruction of The Eye and they retreat. But they've managed to leave their genetic mark through some cheap interbreeding with the locals (all those redheads!). Losing their technological advantage, they take refuge in a place later called America... Only to get their asses kicked a final time by the native Injuns with their bows and arrows... And later on the White Man comes along and kicks Their asses...

Hundreds of years later, some hack writer named George Lucas plagiarizes the whole thing and makes a killing at the box office. Balor is renamed Vader. The Eye is renamed the Death Star. Etc. Everything is blown up into galactic proportions, and lots of money.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB


I'm only suggesting just Once. Really, that's all it takes. Not necessarily over and over. There are obvious time limits.

I don't deny the existence of wacky fringe sites, for there are wacky fringe sites out there for Everything if you care to organize an internet hunt.

What we have here are OOPArts, Cryptids, bits of ancient knowledge which are too advanced for its time, and evidence that people on different continents Shared things long before Columbus' time. Everything points to one thing: that the world at one time in the distant past hosted a global civilization which in turn replies the Technology to maintain such a society. And it fell apart. The tech was lost. People broke apart. Historical Amnesia fell across humanity as everything had to be reinvented again.

Or would you prefer that Aliens from space came down and played the God ticket, giving these people little tidbits of tech to play with and discard?

I go with the former theory. It's simple, direct, and avoids over-complicating things by dragging in humanoid ETs (or if you prefer, Demons and the supernatural). It's funny how people swallow up aliens in saucers abducting people but not something more down-to-earth like this. Probably have to put the blame on movies and TV...

I'm like you in that aliens have no part in any of this....

But why is it hard to swallow that homo has only been around for about 8 million years and chimps and homos started on their own branches from the same primate-like mammal . We know this because a chimps DNA is really close to us...like 8 million years close.

Now when we look at the first true homo 3.5 million years ago once again they were more primate than human like...very small with a brain about 1/4 our size, but they started to walk up-right and use rocks as tools. 1.5 million years ago homo was a good hunter and may have discovered fire as a tool too.

There really is no room for any advance race prior to 1.5 million years ago and I don't find that enough time to wipe clean any evidence. When we look at homo we find that advancements come quicker when there is a lot of us with great communication. That too is something we just do not see in our past, so to think that there might have been a small advance group is just not how we operate.

reply to post by Xtrozero


I'm only saying that there are different branches of hominids, and we need not have discovered or cataloged all of them. Some may even be alive today, in some unexplored regions of the world. Our own history is something of a mystery when you look back more than a couple thousand years. Other societies may have arose and fell in the not-too-distant past. We needn't even go back nearly one million years (regardless of the rough dates on that OOPArts chronology) to know that nothing is recorded beyond the fossil record. What were our ancestors up to?

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

I'm only saying that there are different branches of hominids, and we need not have discovered or cataloged all of them. Some may even be alive today, in some unexplored regions of the world. Our own history is something of a mystery when you look back more than a couple thousand years. Other societies may have arose and fell in the not-too-distant past. We needn't even go back nearly one million years (regardless of the rough dates on that OOPArts chronology) to know that nothing is recorded beyond the fossil record. What were our ancestors up to?

I agree other homos have come and gone, so who knows, but it is still about 1.5 million years as a window. You notice I didn't say humans, but homo in my other post. Took us a long time to get out of the isolated small tribes up to a city style of living, so I would say unless further evidence comes forth our ancestors were few and far inbetween. That just doesn't promote the type of advancment we are looking for.

I can't say there is a set time needed, but you need a lot of time to push forward. There does seem to be a exponential point as we see with ourselves. One just needs to compare the advancement of 198k years to the last 2k years of humans, but then we can also look at the chimps and see that they have not advance at all.