Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

reply to post by blocula


While its an interesting idea.... I wouldn't think this is likely.

Because...

a) pre-caveman era humanity needed to have reached a level of technological advancement in order to carry out mass destruction.

b) caveman relics such as cave paintings do not reflect a high level of advancement. The paintings are very primitive, like the drawing os a child....as if man was learning to render what he saw into 2 dimensional images.
Nothing in cavepaintings depict any traces of a highly advanced culture...no hints of technology or anything.
Just the usual animals and stick figures holding spears.

c) If the cavemen were survivors of the hypothetical destruction you wrote about in the OP... the relics they left behind would have not been so crude and primitive... we could have expected to see something that hints towards their advanced post.

Given that man crossed to Australia around 170/150.000 years ago, and that, as recent studies have proved, took a serious undertaking, organized and all, and wasn't something like a few guys on a log wondering around the ocean and arriving there, even with lower sea levels - and it is considered the first human collective and technological undertaking, i think there was plenty of time to develop a technologically advanced civilization.

If you keep in mind what erosion does to man made artifacts ( buildings roads etc - there's a very eloquent show on History channel or discovery that gives plenty of examples ) the picture is very clear. Nothing, except megalithic monuments, is left after 10.000 years, nothing..... Everything is eroded, buried under lava or other debris, under the sea, under jungles etc...

Now we must ask ourselves with regard of not finding very old megalithic monuments ( 20.000+ years ago ), how many megalithic monuments did our civilization build...? Well not many... Maybe something like Mt. Rushmore, and few others.... maybe the ones they built still have to be found and lie under jungles or many feet underground somewhere....

Given all this i think that it's very likely that there was a previous civilization that was lost.... Many authors write of it ( Atlantis being one of them ), many legends and myths are to be found in the oral tradition of numerous cultures arond the globe, the secrets of freemasonry and other cults are full of secrets of a " lost science ", and last but not least new stuff keeps on popping un from mainstream archeology as well, like Göbekli Tepe that keep pushing backwards the clock of so called evolved civilization signs, not to talk about places like puma punku or baalbek in Syria, which seem to be ignored by mainstream archeology, but they are indeed there, someone build them and moved them, and nobody knows how, so by definition there was a culture that knew how to do things we cant.
This is proof, the blocks are there, the technology needed does not fit our view of how history evolved.
How can some say there is little proof? ( as anybody seen a crane to move stuff that weighs 1.000 tons?? there are very very few in the world, and they are used in shipyards, not to move blocks 30 miles like in Syria... so there you have it... )
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by blocula

 

While its an interesting idea.... I wouldn't think this is likely.

Because...

a) pre-caveman era humanity needed to have reached a level of technological advancement in order to carry out mass destruction.

b) caveman relics such as cave paintings do not reflect a high level of advancement. The paintings are very primitive, like the drawing os a child....as if man was learning to render what he saw into 2 dimensional images.
Nothing in cavepaintings depict any traces of a highly advanced culture...no hints of technology or anything.
Just the usual animals and stick figures holding spears.

c) If the cavemen were survivors of the hypothetical destruction you wrote about in the OP... the relics they left behind would have not been so crude and primitive... we could have expected to see something that hints towards their advanced post.

they don't reflect a high level of advancement because they were suddenly thrust back into a stoneage state.when... and i mean when we are thrown back into a prehistoric state by our technology and or a massive natural disaster,do you think that our present day technology will matter anymore?...it wont.

i don't think that cave painting was the popular thing to do and did'nt reach any form of advanced artistic style.because when your hunting mammoth and being preyed upon by sabre toothed tigers and other tribes,painting would mean very little...

all our materialistic toys,that turn to dust and only get the rich richer,like cell phones,cars,3-d tv's,washing machines and dryers,air conditioners,ect,ect,ect will suddenly become quite meaningless.as our only concerns will be a quest for food,shelter and clothing...just like the prehistoric people of around 10,000 years ago.who were the surviviors of the destruction of atlantis..

and we already know that many civilizations were flooded out and destroyed by the melting glaciers of the last iceage.the coastlines of the ancient world,that are now under 50 to 100 ft of water,were covered with cities and towns that are now gone and it's exactly where 100's of millions of people live right now...thanks to ship's bringing supplies to the coast...we never learn do we?

ummm...ok.

1.But what kind of destruction do you have in mind that completely wiped out every last piece of tehcnology.... that got these survivors of the great destruction to go back to making everything from scratch?

2. Even if their hi-tech toys became useless, some memory would have remained of the technology that they would have once used...but instead we had cavemen living in well... caves.

3. What about language? Survivors of a great destruction would not have completely discarded language and writing.
Language/writing would play a huge role for survivors to regroup and reorganize.
Yet, we do not see any evidence of a language that cavemen may have used.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
ummm...ok.

1.But what kind of destruction do you have in mind that completely wiped out every last piece of tehcnology.... that got these survivors of the great destruction to go back to making everything from scratch?

2. Even if their hi-tech toys became useless, some memory would have remained of the technology that they would have once used...but instead we had cavemen living in well... caves.

3. What about language? Survivors of a great destruction would not have completely discarded language and writing.
Language/writing would play a huge role for survivors to regroup and reorganize.
Yet, we do not see any evidence of a language that cavemen may have used.

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theres many possibilities and any,or any combination of...ancient atomic war ushering a nuclear winter,alien invasion,earths axis tilting,pole shift,asteroid impact causing massive mega tsunamis,gamma ray burst,close passby of a still unknown rogue comet...who know's...any or all of these things may have happened.considering the fact that "modern humans" have been walking around for 200,000 years and knowing how, amazingly, we went from horse drawn carriages -1900...to the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier -1961... in only 60 years!!!

best evidence for ancient atomic warfare > www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

national geographic > gamma ray burst caused mass extinction? > news.nationalgeographic.com...

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Howdy Shasa

Given all this i think that it's very likely that there was a previous civilization that was lost.... Many authors write of it ( Atlantis being one of them ),

There are probably a number of small villages or even clusters of habitation yet to be found, full blown civilizations since HSS got organized around 200,000 is highly unlikely and there is no evidence for them

many legends and myths are to be found in the oral tradition of numerous cultures arond the globe, the secrets of freemasonry and other cults are full of secrets of a " lost science ",

That the claim but there is no evidence that in fact this 'science' exists

and last but not least new stuff keeps on popping un from mainstream archeology as well, like Göbekli Tepe that keep pushing backwards the clock of so called evolved civilization signs, not to talk about places like puma punku or baalbek in Syria, which seem to be ignored by mainstream archeology, but they are indeed there, someone build them and moved them, and nobody knows how, so by definition there was a culture that knew how to do things we cant.

Yes mainstream keeps finding stuff - that is what they do, fringe keeps making stuff up too. Puma Punku and Baalbek have been extensively explored and the excavations continue - what I think you mean is that science doesn't accept made up stuff about them.

This is proof, the blocks are there, the technology needed does not fit our view of how history evolved.

Actually it does, you're claim is a fringe one without support, the people did have the technology and they were able to do it - but probably with great diffciulty which is why it is very rare to see such stones moved

How can some say there is little proof? ( as anybody seen a crane to move stuff that weighs 1.000 tons?? there are very very few in the world, and they are used in shipyards, not to move blocks 30 miles like in Syria... so there you have it... )

In Lebanon the heaviest stone moved were around 800 tons, difficult but the Romans managed to do it - three times - they never tried to move the 1000 tonners; only the Egyptians and Russians were able to move a stone as heavier or heavier than that

and we already know that many civilizations were flooded out and destroyed by the melting glaciers of the last iceage.the coastlines of the ancient world,that are now under 50 to 100 ft of water,were covered with cities and towns that are now gone and it's exactly where 100's of millions of people live right now...thanks to ship's bringing supplies to the coast...we never learn do we?

we already know that many civilizations were flooded out and destroyed by the melting glaciers of the last iceage

How do you 'know' this? You making up stuff isn't proof blocula, LOL

So they should be easy to find...why aren't they?

Unfortunately early cultures didn't flock to the coast, Sumer, Egypt, Harrapa, Han etc started up on river. Somewhat later cultures did come to coast because fishing and shipping technology had been evolved. Early cultures began where water was available for agriculture.


The problem with all your fantasies blocula is a complete and utter lack of archaeological evidence for said 'civilizations' you continue to make up

they don't reflect a high level of advancement because they were suddenly thrust back into a stoneage state.when... and i mean when we are thrown back into a prehistoric state by our technology and or a massive natural disaster,do you think that our present day technology will matter anymore?...it wont.

Blocula you continue you to deny the fact that todays civilzation doesn't consist of western city dwellers ....why do you continue to ignore this?

Billions of people still live on the land, with simple technology, working as subsistence farmers or fisherman - why would then suddenly forget all of this if the west was wiped out?

You still don't have an answer to that do you? LOL

Originally posted by blocula
the 35 million year old chesapeake impact crater > en.wikipedia.org...

The bolide itself was completely vaporised, with the basement rock being fractured to depths of 8 km (5.0 mi), and a peak ring being raised around it. The deep crater, 38 km (24 mi) across, is surrounded by a flat-floored terrace-like ring trough with an outer edge of collapsed blocks forming ring faults. The entire circular crater is about 85 km (53 mi) in diameter and 1.3 km (0.81 mi) deep, an area twice the size of Rhode Island, and nearly as deep as the Grand Canyon. Numerical modeling techniques by Collins, et al. indicate that the post-impact diameter was likely to have been 40 km (25 mi), rather than the observed 85 km (53 mi).[2]

The surrounding region suffered massive devastation. USGS scientist David Powars, one of the impact crater's discoverers, has described the immediate aftermath: "Within minutes, millions of tons of water, sediment, and shattered rock were cast high into the atmosphere for hundreds of miles along the East Coast." An enormous seismic tsunami engulfed the land and possibly even overtopped the Blue Ridge Mountains. The sedimentary walls of the crater progressively slumped in, widened the crater, and formed a layer of huge blocks on the floor of the ring-like trough. The slump blocks were then covered with the rubble or breccia. The entire bolide event, from initial impact to the termination of breccia deposition lasted only a few hours or days. In the perspective of geological time, the 1.2 km (0.75 mi) breccia is an instantaneous deposit.

like it or not...deny it or not... it will happen again...any day of the week...en.wikipedia.org...

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Life reset is on a 70 million year or so cycle, other than that we would not be totally wiped. I guess it's about luck right now, not too far in the future I think we will pass the point where we will have the ability to prevent such an event.

The main thing that has created our advancement these last 6000 or so years is the sheer number of humans and the ever increasing speed to communication. It doesn't fit our history of a small population of very advance humans. We see throughout history where one culture does one thing good and another goes something else well and so one, and through wars and expansion of the population that knowledge is shared and we continually advance.

If we go on the assumption of a low population with great advancement we would need to figure out how they could get to that point. If you say, well that small group is 10 million years old, we would need to look at us today and see that it only took us 25,000 years to go from 10,000 humans to 7 billion. An advance society in the past would most likely need to fill the earth much like we have done to achieve their great achievements, and there is just nothing and I mean absolutely nothing to suggest this has ever happened.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
ummm...ok.

1.But what kind of destruction do you have in mind that completely wiped out every last piece of tehcnology.... that got these survivors of the great destruction to go back to making everything from scratch?

2. Even if their hi-tech toys became useless, some memory would have remained of the technology that they would have once used...but instead we had cavemen living in well... caves.

3. What about language? Survivors of a great destruction would not have completely discarded language and writing.
Language/writing would play a huge role for survivors to regroup and reorganize.
Yet, we do not see any evidence of a language that cavemen may have used.

edit on 4-10-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

That is a good point about language. I has been less than 10,000 years for us to have a more advance language and then its only been 6000 years since we could call us modern human using advance language skills.

The way i see the whole thing is :

1. If a advanced culture existed i would be very hard to prove anything about them. But i do believe there are traces to be found in certain "faiths" around the world.

2. Advancement up to a way we are right now needs resources. And not some mumbo jumbo with the stars and all. Today humanity has "Dumbasses" like us all over the world. The average human has acces to all human knowledge tru the WWW . So if there was ever something like us before it would leave traces.

3. And the last 1 is the best one!! Like i've said before: Resources would be needed and a whole (word)load of them!! cause we use like cubic miles of stuff for everything we use worldwide every year. (things like: Coal, oil, iron, gas and alot more then that are needed to get to a certain point in development). The chance still exist that there could have been a non human interaction.

grtz spartannic

Originally posted by Wolfenz
reply to post by jadedANDcynical

 

Talk about unexplained Molding and Stone Softening !

Especially at the Sites at Tiahuanaco & Puma Punku

Ive Mention the SAME thing about Stone Softening in some way & Molding! it so Obvious!!!

Either it was made buy Some Advance civilization !!! In the Ancient Past! or
Beings from Outer Space! Dimension Spirit World ETC... Within Our Beyond the Outer Limits! Either Way

Tho there is NO Written Language of the INCAs! None Zilch!! Nada ! yet People Claim they made them!
Tho there may be ! from the KNots Quipu !

Most of the information recorded on the quipus consists of numbers in a decimal system.

Quipu
en.wikipedia.org...

Yet Some Legends say the Spaniard Invader , Raider & Mass Killer I Mean Conquistador Hernán Cortés was told by his interpreter when asked who built these Buildings The Incas said in Reply
Their People Did not Build Them ! They Been here Long before we came Here !

See this if you haven't already!

See the Molds!! To me it seem unlikely to be chiseled

Here is My discussion ! about the Molds & stone Softening !

Tiahuanaco, Puma Punku the real mystery..., page 12
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And Others Say Where is the Evidence of the Tools Machines that did these! !!That made Those
Crafted Stones! Lego Like Stone ( H blocks) or Softening Stone put into a Mold !

My Response IS!!

How Many Times Have you seen a Construction Contractor! Leave Their Machines or Advanced Tools ! After the Job Has Been Finished! just maybe Left Over parts or Spare Parts for the Customer/Owner of the Building or Site ! I haven't Seen a Contractor Leave a Crane to a Machine Press after the project was finished
at the Job site & Just Abandoned Their Construction Equipment!! ! Have you ?

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i saw an expert stone mason stand right in front of those cut and carved stones ^^^ and he said..."we could not cut it that way even now,not without diamond tipped buzz saws and lasar guided drill presses" !!! so, "how" did prehistoric people do it?!?!?!...

and just to clarify the horror and unimaginable destructive power of a mega tsunami.the waves that were produced by the 35 million year old chesapeake bay asteroid impact > en.wikipedia.org... were tall enough to overwhelm the blueridge mountains!!! whos highest peak is 6,688 feet !!!
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