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Is Pakistan being played by the US and China? I think so and here's why.

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 11:53 AM
I'm a pretty skeptical person, but I find it hard to believe that

☼ Our best stealth helicopter was revealed by crashing during the raid of Osama bin Laden

☼ Our entire stealth fleet is grounded.

☼ We lost two spaceplanes shortly after launch, one in March 2010, and one in August 2011.

☼ Pakistan shows stealth helicopter to the Chinese.

☼ US bombs Pakistan Border with Predator Drones.

☼ The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline (Afghanistan / Pakistan / India)

Problems :

☼ To say the entire US Stealth Fleet is grounded is an open invitation to hostilities from other countries, and is much like a boxer feigning weakness to entice the opponent into making an advance. A trap.

☼ To believe that the best technology we have today for a stealth helicopter will crash land when it is needed to handle the most is absurd. We have vehicles that can fly themselves and land themselves, and to believe that there was no technology available on such an expensive and technologically advanced aircraft to alert the pilot to his error is just preposterous.

☼ Even a lexus tells you when you're about ot hit something. A multimillion dollar helicopter kept secret from the world doesn't?

☼ Many people believe that Pakistan is going to be our next target in the middle east. How would this play out? They are an ally? We have asked to build a pipeline through there country, and have met refusal. Bin Laden was (allegedly) harbored by this country, and was (allegedly) raided and killed a short distance from key Pakistani military officials. Now they are giving the ability to examine the US Stealth technology to China, our direct competitor for military superiority.

☼ What are the "options" of the US in this position? Cut foreign aid? Harsh words? Open warfare? I think that the US might be building a case to take out Pakistan, or at least warn them to stay in line. We're already bombing them with Predator drones.

☼ If China can't beat the US with their military, what kind of motivation is there to back the ONE country in the middle of this Trans-Afghanistan pipeline? We are good allies with India, and now Pakistan is starting to turn to China. I bet an investigation will find that China is funneling massive resources into Pakistan as we speak.

What are your thoughts, ATS?[e
edit on 2011/8/15 by sbctinfantry because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 12:02 PM
Maybe all this recent stink around the stealth program is just a segway into a "new" era of military aircraft weaponry. Who needs a 3 billion dollar stealth fighter when we can blast you from space with a death ray all in the air conditioned comforts of an underground facility in Denver?

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 12:05 PM

What are your thoughts, ATS?

My thoughts are that you've hit this right on the head.

Either that, or the US is extremely vulnerable right now and is hell bent on informing the entire world of this.

I can see a logical outcome for both scenarios, I don't like either.

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 12:38 PM
Or, the US knows that in order to justify the massive defense budget they need a viable enemy.

The US is bribing Taliban/Afgan warlords to allow safe passage and generate the appearence of progress in that country. While the cash is flowing cooperation is assured. When the bribes stop the fighting will escalate and these groups will have huge cash reserves to fall back on.

This is only the most current of a long list of US activities that have directly led to well funded heavily armed groups.

China owns immense amounts of US debt, this is nothing new, but over the last decade China has been caught stealing a variety of nuclear and military secrets from the US with little or no reaction. There was also a multi-axis state-of-the-art robotic machining tool, one of only a few in the world, that was sold to the Chinese on the *promise* that they would not use it for weapons.

The machine disappeared as soon as the monitors left and China has made huge advances in ship and aircraft design since.

The US needs enemies, imaginary ones are OK for day-to-day propaganda/budgets, but for the big money real enemies are required.

This helicopter wreckage provides, as the op mentioned, an excuse to turn the heat up on Pakistan as well as siphoning some more tech into China. Up until now the best China had was broken F117 parts from a European accident (Bosnia? not sure where) crash, now they have much larger, more intact components.

...and they have them at a time when thier stealth program is starting to roll.

Transferring stealth technology is a pretty substantial intrest payment on the Chinese held debt. It also guarentees a future enemy whose military abilities will require an upgrade of the US equipment in order to counter.

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 12:48 PM
Why would the US just leave the tail end of the helicopter? Perhaps there is a more advanced stealth tech already in play and the US wishes to make the world feel as though they're learning about their best technology.

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 12:53 PM
Pakistan is not "caught" in the middle, they put themselves there. They chose to show this tech to china, just like they chose to harbor terrorists. The only reason they let us operate in their country is because of the vast amounts of cash our country gives them. Not to mention, that up until we killed bin laden, we were giving them a heads up on who we were targeting. Which allowed them to give a heads up to those targets.

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 11:12 PM
Supposedly our stealth chopper went down in the compound for a very real reason, not mechanical failure. Before the mission commenced, ST6 and the chopper pilots practiced at a full sized compound they made here in the US in North Carolina.

In North Carolina, the large compound walls were made out of chain link fence, in Abbottabad the walls were not chain link, they were solid. This overlooked piece of information caused problems when the chopper first came down. The chopper was caught in was is called "rotor wash", something that could not occur in the chain link fence scenario in North Carolina because the turbulent air had somewhere to go-- out the chain links.

Who knows what truly happened though. Could all be government hogwash.

edit on 15-8-2011 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)

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