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Ireland Faces Down Vatican
Ireland is squeezing the Roman Catholic Church to hand over cash and real estate toward a 1.4 billion-euro ($2 billion) child-abuse bill amid the bitterest stand-off yet seen between the Vatican and the government.
In the sharpest language an Irish leader has ever used against the church, Prime Minister Enda Kenny said last month the Vatican’s handling of the scandals has been dominated by “elitism and narcissism.”
“The relationship between the state and the Vatican has never been worse,” David Quinn, a religious commentator who is also director of the Dublin-based Iona Institute, which promotes religion in society, said in an interview. “I struggle to think of a stronger attack by a Western European leader on the church than Enda Kenny’s.”
Kenny said the church needs to be “truly and deeply penitent for the horrors it perpetrated, hid and denied” after three government reports on clerical abuse and cover-ups rocked one of Europe’s most devout societies. With the focus now moving to who compensates the victims in talks starting next month, the church’s riches and dominance of Ireland’s educational system face their most direct threat in the country’s modern history.
Originally posted by BigBruddah
...the catholic church is so out of touch...
Originally posted by LooksLikeWeMadeIt
. even Benedict's eyes give me the willies.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
One has to wonder; is this really about compensating the victims, or is this just another cash grab by a government facing record-high deficits?
If they do get this money from the Church, how much of it do you think will really go to the victims?
In June 2011, Mary Raftery wrote in the Irish Times that in the early 1940s, some Irish state institutions, such as the Army, switched from commercial laundries to "institutional laundries" (Magdalene laundries). At the time, there was concern in the Dáil that workers in commercial laundries were losing jobs because of the switch to institutional laundries. Oscar Traynor, then Minister for Defence, said that the contracts with the Magdalene laundries “contain a fair wages clause”, which is odd because the women in those laundries did not receive wages. Shortly afterwards, the Irish Times revealed that a ledger listed Áras an Uachtaráin, Guinness, Clerys, the Gaiety Theatre, Dr Steevens' Hospital, the Bank of Ireland, the Department of Defence, the Departments of Agriculture and Fisheries, CIÉ, Portmarnock Golf Club, Clontarf Golf Club and several leading hotels amongst those who used a Magdalene laundry
The Magdalene laundries were merely the tip of the iceberg of the crimes perpetrated against women and children by the Catholic church and the Irish clericalist state. As many as 300,000 children were locked in “industrial schools” where they were denied an education and forced to do manual work for no pay—slave labour —with the profits of their labour going to the church. From the 1940s to 1970s, a horrific medical procedure was carried out on pregnant women who would otherwise have had a caesarean birth. They were forcibly, and often without their knowledge or consent, subjected to an operation known as symphysiotomy, where the cartilage junction of the pubic bone was sawed through in order that the pelvis would “open like a hinge” during childbirth. As a consequence many women were crippled and condemned to a life of incredible pain and suffering. Expressing the Catholic-dominated medical profession’s rationale for this inhuman butchery, Dr. Alex Spain argued that if caesarean births were carried out, “The results will be contraception, the mutilating operation of sterilisation, and marital difficulty” (Irish Examiner, 17 April 2001). Women were simply seen as vessels for making babies.
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by FortAnthem
One has to wonder; is this really about compensating the victims, or is this just another cash grab by a government facing record-high deficits?
If they do get this money from the Church, how much of it do you think will really go to the victims?
Nope. Don't wonder.
This is no reason to deny the victims their due.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
I'm not saying that the victims shouldn't get their due. My concern is that; once the money falls into the government's hands it may not (make that probably won't) go to the purpose for which it was intended.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
I'm not saying that the victims shouldn't get their due. My concern is that; once the money falls into the government's hands it may not (make that probably won't) go to the purpose for which it was intended.
You can be sure the government will eat up the money through "bureaucratic expenses" and such. By the time it reaches the victims, I'm afraid the government will have pissed away a lion's share of the settlement, leaving little behind for the actual victims.
It's fascinating to me that the demand has gone this far...and from this source.