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"Snitch Mom", London, turns her rioting daughter to the Police!

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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ATS has really changed over the years. First I come across a thread were people advocate killing a cop pointing a taser at a dog (not using it just pointing), and now a thread were people are advocating letting your child get away with criminal acts.


I was told if I ever got arrested I would stay in jail until I got out. I was told if I screwed up they would take me to the cops personally. Guess what happened? I took less risks with the law than some and did not end up in jail like they did. I am also a contributing member of society....gasp...

Justice was served. The adult child put herself in the place she did, she ruined her own future. Mother did the right thing.

Raist




posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by JennaDarling
No that is not how to parent. you do not go around deliberately get your children in trouble with the police and so on, you may think oh yeah thatll show them, that is only because you failed parenting in the first place and now are looking to use the police as a parenting tool.


Well put.

I wonder how much of it was about 'doing the right thing' and how much of it was that they were angry she embarrassed them.

This wasn't a crime against a particular person the way assault or armed robbery is, this was someone sucked into the mayhem but it's also rage against a system that just isn't articulated but is certainly felt in a lot of people. The police state feeds into that rage and while I'd be horrified at the idea of any child I had acting like that, I'd certainly think twice about just turning her over to authorities in this day and age.

That isn't to say that her actions wouldn't have consequences with me - but catching criminals is the police officers' job not mine. And yes, a Police State is where the citizens also do the work of the cops.

Doctors and lawyers are exempt from reporting criminal activities of their patients or clients (one Dr. had a patient who was a vicious serial killer and was under no obligation to turn him in!) and most people seem to be okay with that.. The family unit should trump The State...



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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I have a thing about snitches...sort of brings me back to days on the playground when other kids would go "tattletale". Wrong, wrong. Something about "telling" on somebody else is just so basically wrong. Life is hard enough, and unless you're up to helping someone out, putting your money where your mouth is, then let it go...cuz otherwise you're just capitalizing on their loss....for your gain. That's what it all boils down to at the end of the day....it's certainly not because of "moral" values that someone tattles, snitches; cuz there's always something in it for them after all, isn't there?



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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The family unit should trump The State...


It depends on the crime. If one of your children committed murder and you knew they would do it again, would you protect them from the law? Some would, some wouldn't. There is no easy right answer when dealing with handing an immediate family member over to the cops for something serious.

In this instance... perhaps it could have been dealt with at home. The truth is we don't know what this specific family unit is like. It is quite possible the mother has zero control (due to past parental failures) over her daughter, this could be the latest in a string of events where the daughter is going down the wrong path and the mother feels she has no other choice if she is going to get her daughter to reform in the long run (good reason). Alternatively as someone above me said, she may just have been embarrassed so she gave her adult-kid over to the cops (bad reason).



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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give that mom a medal!!! I would think if more parents showed a bit of her skills the riots would have remained a protest instead of the bloodbath it became



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by invetro
For anyone who isn't supporting the mothers actions, where is the line? If your child has stolen something, how big/important would it have to be for you to want the police involved? If they have assualted someone, would that be enough of a reason?


On the flip side, how small of the reason would it take to involve the cops?

Would you call the cops if you found a joint in your kid's drawer? Or just a wad of cash you're not sure how they got, or a couple of pills? Pirated DVDs they bought in Chinatown? A fake Louis Vuitton purse? A couple of MP3s their friend emailed them that might be copy-right violations?

It's one thing to refuse to cover for them but another thing to turn them in.

My mother never liked cops nor had faith in the 'justice system' (remembered the 60s all too well, worked in the court system a while and saw rich connected kids get away with near murder while poor ones were always jailed, cops lying, asinine judges etc.) but there were still certainly consequences to any action I did as a kid - just that threats to involve police wasn't one of them. I turned out fine, never a single brush with the law, not even a parking ticket, mainly because I just don't really do anything illegal.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Mind-blowing some of the statements made here. The mother is a "snitch"? No, she did her civic and moral duty to report the proper identification of a criminal. Her daughter wasn't protesting anything, she was involved in a potentially violent riot. If her daughter had been turned in by a coworker, schoolmate, or neighbor would you be finding fault with them? Sorry for you that you don't seem to know that identifying criminals correctly is vital in an orderly society. This was not a family issue, her daughter was a known criminal. Had she covered up her daughter's involvement in the US, the mother could have been charged with disruption. Then both would have been jailed. In your skewed view, that is preferable? Or maybe we should just say "oh, well.....it all started as a necessary protest about__________. Our bad that it got out of hand. You all just go home and forget this all happened, okay?" Where is the justice for the people who were killed, injured or those who suffered property damage and loss?
Every single person involved in the riot had family. Did that escape you? It seems to. Should they all just be punished in the family setting? Really?
I told my son early that if he did something illegal, I would report him. If he had illegal items in his possession, I would allow a police search. If he was ever jailed, I would not bail him out. I told him and taught him that he was responsible for his own behavior and the consequences of his behavior were his alone. I would always love him and support him as my son, but if he did something illegal, I would expect him to take his punishment. He turned out well. He's a good citizen, a great husband and father, and an asset to his community.
I really sucked at being a Mom, didn't I?



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by Echtelion
 


I have a thing about snitches...sort of brings me back to days on the playground when other kids would go "tattletale". Wrong, wrong. Something about "telling" on somebody else is just so basically wrong. Life is hard enough, and unless you're up to helping someone out, putting your money where your mouth is, then let it go...cuz otherwise you're just capitalizing on their loss....for your gain. That's what it all boils down to at the end of the day....it's certainly not because of "moral" values that someone tattles, snitches; cuz there's always something in it for them after all, isn't there?


Then there's workplace snitches - the sort that point out every single trifling error to managers to make themselves look better. Of course, they do the same things but only the non-snitches end up looking bad...



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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true, but pirated dvd's etc are not ruining someone's business or beating a stranger, raping or burning a neighbourhood in a mob. It IS a sign you need to look closely at what your children are doing and how you are parenting and have a wee chat



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by stars15k
Mind-blowing some of the statements made here. The mother is a "snitch"? No, she did her civic and moral duty to report the proper identification of a criminal. Her daughter wasn't protesting anything, she was involved in a potentially violent riot. If her daughter had been turned in by a coworker, schoolmate, or neighbor would you be finding fault with them? Sorry for you that you don't seem to know that identifying criminals correctly is vital in an orderly society. This was not a family issue, her daughter was a known criminal. Had she covered up her daughter's involvement in the US, the mother could have been charged with disruption. Then both would have been jailed. In your skewed view, that is preferable? Or maybe we should just say "oh, well.....it all started as a necessary protest about__________. Our bad that it got out of hand. You all just go home and forget this all happened, okay?" Where is the justice for the people who were killed, injured or those who suffered property damage and loss?
Every single person involved in the riot had family. Did that escape you? It seems to. Should they all just be punished in the family setting? Really?
I told my son early that if he did something illegal, I would report him. If he had illegal items in his possession, I would allow a police search. If he was ever jailed, I would not bail him out. I told him and taught him that he was responsible for his own behavior and the consequences of his behavior were his alone. I would always love him and support him as my son, but if he did something illegal, I would expect him to take his punishment. He turned out well. He's a good citizen, a great husband and father, and an asset to his community.
I really sucked at being a Mom, didn't I?


But did he ever do anything illegal? Did he ever get in trouble with the law? See, that's the difference...
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by k0mbination
reply to post by Jessica6
 


true, but pirated dvd's etc are not ruining someone's business or beating a stranger, raping or burning a neighbourhood in a mob. It IS a sign you need to look closely at what your children are doing and how you are parenting and have a wee chat


True, but pirate dvd's are still illegal. So there is still a line to be drawn, isn't there?

I certainly agree to the latter and parents that live in denial to their kids doing anything wrong are the worst, but it depends on where you see ultimate Authority should be and I don't think parents should just hand it off to the State at the first sign of trouble or bad behavior, particularly in this day and age where criminality at the very top of society is so rampant, blatant and above the law.

The parents, for an example, could pressure the child to make restitution to the business owner directly (like when a parent makes a child earn enough to pay for the neighbor's window they broke). There isn't necessarily the need to involve police, and the courts and the penal system and if your KID IS a rampant criminal then you've already clearly #ed up as a parent and then the state probably should take over, but a kid that bad wouldn't probably need the parents to turn them in - they'd have been caught for something by then already.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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yeah I agree, and it's hard to say where to draw the line if you are not yourself involved. But I still say if your taking part in a riot then you've written your own sentence and should be held to account. Mob's are bad mm ok.
would love to discourse in more depth, but have to work...



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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On the flip side, how small of the reason would it take to involve the cops? Would you call the cops if you found a joint in your kid's drawer? Or just a wad of cash you're not sure how they got, or a couple of pills? Pirated DVDs they bought in Chinatown? A fake Louis Vuitton purse? A couple of MP3s their friend emailed them that might be copy-right violations?


Those aren't nearly the same level of violence and social destruction witnessed during the riots. Those are all petty, victimless crimes (copyright crime is something I consider victimless, because the record and movie industries try to preemptively rob consumers with their ridiculous prices, but that's another thread). The money and pills are something I would be concerned about, because I wouldn't want a son or daughter prostituting themselves or taking drugs, but that WOULD be a case of family intervention, a cry for help if you will. A fake bag? It isn't illegal to buy them, only sell them.

I do not see how a parent can condemn robbery and violence, then let their child get away with it, especially if her face was plastered all over the paper from a CCTV shot.

But still, what wuld it take for some people in this thread to contact the authorities? Flat out murder?



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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The replies on this thread are indicative of our social situation and what is wrong with the youth in the world today....



Seriously "Only to ruin her life"

She made her own decision to act like a criminal, so all consequences are HERS to bare regardless of who facilitates them.......

This generation needs to drop it with the "me me me" and start being responsible for their own actions......stop blaming other people for your own mistakes......

Grow a pair.......

AND GOOD JOB MOM!



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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I'm sorry, but im not gonna rat on my family to the cops. If they do something wrong, i'll kick the sh*t out of them myself (unless its murder, if that happens they on their own). You just do not rat on your own family man thats just wrong. Doesn't really matter what they did or why they did it. You tend to your own household, you don't go airing your dirty laundry in front of God and everybody. She was 18, she's young and dumb and all young people do dumb things at that age. If anything i'd blame the mother for not spanking the girl and teaching her right from wrong while she was growing up.

My mother told me when i turned 18, that i was a legal adult, if i was old enough to get myself into it, i was old enough to get myself out of it. Thats exactly the way it should be, but never go ratting on your own kin.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Right, lets not teach how to be a responsible adult with some backbone and moral fiber, by actually BEING one......

"rat" and "snitch" are just words used in place of "did the right thing"

Demoralize and demonize responsible and moral behavior , right?

Wow this thread is deeply depressing and disturbing



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
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Right, lets not teach how to be a responsible adult with some backbone and moral fiber, by actually BEING one......

"rat" and "snitch" are just words used in place of "did the right thing"

Demoralize and demonize responsible and moral behavior , right?

Wow this thread is deeply depressing and disturbing


I don't know what kind of parent you are, but i love my kids. Do NOT expect me to turn my kids in the the cops, it aint gonna happen. If the cops want to come banging on my door with an arrest warrant for my child then so be it, i wont stand in the way, but i am not going to call up the cops and say "she's here come and get her!". I would tell my child that it will be easier on them if they turn themselves in, than if they try to hide or run and i would be there for them during the whole process, but no im not just going to turn on my own flesh and blood and throw her to the dogs.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Going to jail just hurts any sort of potential future this girl has.

The last thing I'm going to do is put my kid in the system or anyone I know unless they kill or seriously injure someone.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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All the finger pointing at the mother is a waste of time; if her daughter had the good sense not to be part of a massive criminal act she wouldn't have gotten in trouble but instead she went with the stupid crowd and look what it got her. The person who turned her in is irrelevant and merely a distraction; her choices led her to the present situation and chances are good if it wasn't her mother that turned her in then maybe it would have been someone else. Better yet step back from the obvious here and look at the extreme danger the daughter willingly put herself in by taking part in the riots, I suspect there will be all kinds of atrocities that come to light as cleanup progresses and the various stories come to light; far worse could have happened to her in the crowd -- things that you can't ever undo. Perhaps a stint in jail is what she needs to wake up and realize that shes and adult now and needs to act like one which includes accepting responsibility for ones actions.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by k0mbination
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yeah I agree, and it's hard to say where to draw the line if you are not yourself involved. But I still say if your taking part in a riot then you've written your own sentence and should be held to account. Mob's are bad mm ok.
would love to discourse in more depth, but have to work...


She joined the party and had a good time stealing and smashing things..
If you do the crime..you need to do the time !

Mom did what she should to teach a lesson !!



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