Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
So what is it that Christ wants us to believe?
Try to answer this using your own words...
Why does a belief in a "name" = Eternal life?
I really can't answer this on my own or say it any better than this:
"....for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12 and
"For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,..." 1 Timothy 2:5-6
The full answer would require a much deeper study and need it's own thread, the above is just the short version.
Those are not your own words...
This doesn't require its own thread, just think about it...
You believe in jesus, that must mean you understand what he taught...
You're one of those people who believe, that just "believing" is all that takes. Meaning you haven't read his words for yourself, someone
preached the bible to you.
While I have learned alot from other brothers and sisters in the Lord I am self taught by the Holy Spirit, I have read the scriptures front to back
many times. I have studied every major religion and have read all of their text. I have translated the New Testament from Greek to English by pencil
and a typewriter. I know the scriptures very well.
I do not claim any specific domination of the church so I don't go to any building to learn the message. I find that most of the things that I know
about scripture are in harmony with those who also study the Word, I believe that is the power of the Holy Spirit that is doing the teaching.
I don't mind giving my own interpretations but I try to avoid that because the scriptures speak for themselves if you study hard enough. Giving my
own interpretations opens the door for scrutiny so it is better to let the scriptures speak for themselves.
See this kind of answer begs for scrutiny...
The answer im looking for is quite simple... but you basically danced around the answer either because you are afraid to give it (due to said scrutiny
i suppose) or because you actually don't know what Jesus taught.
If you're afraid to answer with your own words i'll leave you be...
Though if you want the bible scriptures to "speak for themselves" You may not like what you recieve...
Lets let the scriptures speak for themselves shall we....
Kill your stuborn child...
18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have
chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and
Women and children arn't worth as much as men...
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation.
3And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after
the shekel of the sanctuary.
4And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
5And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
6And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy
estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
7And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
8But if he be poorer than thy estimation, then he shall present himself before the priest, and the priest shall value him; according to his ability
that vowed shall the priest value him.
Murdering people for taking a census ordered by God...
1And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
2For the king said to Joab the captain of the host, which was with him, Go now through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan even to Beersheba, and
number ye the people, that I may know the number of the people.
3And Joab said unto the king, Now the LORD thy God add unto the people, how many soever they be, an hundredfold, and that the eyes of my lord the king
may see it: but why doth my lord the king delight in this thing?
4Notwithstanding the king's word prevailed against Joab, and against the captains of the host. And Joab and the captains of the host went out from
the presence of the king, to number the people of Israel.
5And they passed over Jordan, and pitched in Aroer, on the right side of the city that lieth in the midst of the river of Gad, and toward Jazer:
6Then they came to Gilead, and to the land of Tahtimhodshi; and they came to Danjaan, and about to Zidon,
7And came to the strong hold of Tyre, and to all the cities of the Hivites, and of the Canaanites: and they went out to the south of Judah, even to
8So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days.
9And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword;
and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
10And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and
now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.
11For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
12Go and say unto David, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.
13So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before
thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him
that sent me.
14And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the
hand of man.
15So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba
seventy thousand men
Murder of 450 priests...
1 Kings 18:17-40:
"And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel;
but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. Now therefore send, and
gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at
Jezebel's table...And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.
And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken...Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the
stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The
LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them:
and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there."
10And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the
adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall
be upon them.
12And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood
shall be upon them
See what i mean?
Why complicate things when the answer is simple?