I Saw Something I Wish I Had Never Seen

Originally posted by Domo1
Alright just watched it. Skipped ahead to the bad stuff. Honestly, didn't even flinch which is also fairly disturbing. I wouldn't recommend anyone watch it but I have seen worse.

Agree with above poster, I would have fought tooth and nail. You see someone get their head sawed off right next to you it's probably a safe bet you're next. I would MUCH rather be shot than go through that brutality.

While I agree with your assessment, and would personally try to grab a weapon and take one of the bastards with me (or at least make a break for it,) I think many - if not most - people believe the way Matt Frewer's character in Dawn of the Dead believed when he was turning into a zombie: "You want every last second of life."

I'm sure the Russian was hoping against hope that they would spare his life and perhaps hold him as a hostage instead of killing him.

If you support any war, this is the crap you are supporting.

This type of brutality is commonplace among all wars throughout history, there has never been a fair and civilized war it's a myth.

Even in our own military in the West this is far more commonplace than anyone wants to admit.

It's a huge cycle of violence and revenge.

You think the Russians were better? Not a chance.
You think WE are better? Not a Chance!

It's War. That's how it works.

reply to post by ColoradoJens


I understand your concern and I sympathize with you. But if you didn't want anyone to watch the video, why did you link it?.

I didn't watch it BTW, the transcription was "good" enough. (For lack of a better term)

When it comes to things that I wish I had never seen though, "The Human Centipede" movie trailer is at the top of the list.

My curiosity got the better of me one day and I still wish it hadn't.

And no, I'm not going to post a link.

I am 100% in favor and support the freedom to post videos of these atrocities online.

Look at reality:

1) This stuff already happens no matter what.

2) The only way you and I will ever see the TRUTH of our sick twisted world is if we are able to watch the atrocities on video.

3) Now that we know about the reality, we can do something about it to hopefully change it.

Never censor the war! Let everyone see what REALLY happens!
Then war will become obsolete.

reply to post by NuclearPaul


Thanks for the post NuclearPaul. The information (video) itself is documented history, and it is what it is. I understand the nature of the animal we are, and perhaps videos like these will help people understand better the world around them. Do you believe we should have laws regulating violent videos like a rating system? Thanks!

CJ

Better you never know what horrors your fellow human beings might commit.

Ignorance is bliss.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am 100% in favor and support the freedom to post videos of these atrocities online.

Look at reality:

1) This stuff already happens no matter what.

2) The only way you and I will ever see the TRUTH of our sick twisted world is if we are able to watch the atrocities on video.

3) Now that we know about the reality, we can do something about it to hopefully change it.

Never censor the war! Let everyone see what REALLY happens!
Then war will become obsolete.

Totally, the worst thing you can do in war is censor the real news.

If Americans saw what really does go on when they turn on their breakfast TV, I think the world would be a safer place.

Unfortunately it is overrun by blind patriotism broadcasts. ie.propaganda.

If you find it horrifying to watch it, dont complain to the broadcast station, turn off your set or do something about it.

Thank god for Satellite TV beaming down large footprints to the world contenents, many people can see other countries TV, even RAW FEEDS from reporters on the ground.

Originally posted by Aeons
Better you never know what horrors your fellow human beings might commit.

Ignorance is bliss.

I am not in favor of that. I will posit the question again. Do you feel that rape/murder and pedophilia are not part of the "horrors your fellow human beings might commit?"

Why are these videos not allowed if this is the case?

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by Aeons
Better you never know what horrors your fellow human beings might commit.

Ignorance is bliss.

I am not in favor of that. I will posit the question again. Do you feel that rape/murder and pedophilia are not part of the "horrors your fellow human beings might commit?"

Why are these videos not allowed if this is the case?

CJ

edit on 15-8-2011 by ColoradoJens because: (no reason given)

You go ahead and watch those. They are regulated because people don't watch them to keep an eye on atrocity. They watch because they want to be involved in it.

Most people don't elevate rape and pedophilia to a romantic standard unless they are inclined towards this behaviour.

However, many people will elevate war and their "cause" to a romantic standard and other people will believe it. Those unable to grasp horror are not all psychopaths, and having to literally look at their victims in the face should be torture for them. Their causes have consequences, and those consequences have NAMES.

If you are too weak minded to see it and live with it, then maybe you shouldn't look and you certainly shouldn't be supporting the causes that inflict the ACTUAL EVENT.

Not being able to see it, won't make it go away.

I don't care if you don't agree with me. You aren't some sort of higher authority over me.

Originally posted by Gannicus
reply to post by BrokenCircles

 

Would you prefer people had a burning love for Islamic extremists?

What I prefer, is knowing the entire truth before reaching any conclusions.

A majority of the people online, and especially on this site, will question the validity of everything, UNLESS it is something that allows them to violently express their anger and hatred. Videos and/or articles, that are capable of bringing about an instant hatred, are rarely scrutinized as much as any other videos.

There are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of video clips that can be found online. Many of those videos, are complete crap. Many are faked. Even when it is a video, of an actual real event, you are still only seeing a small portion of the big picture.

Due to the massive amounts of video clips, that only show a partial segment of an event, it is easy take them out of context (EVEN with actual real videos).


Context is very important, but it is rarely accurately portrayed online.

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Originally posted by muzzleflash


You think WE are better? Not a Chance!

Much worse by the numbers.

One million in Iraq over last 20 years.

Five million during the Vietnam war.

reply to post by muzzleflash


You are right muzzleflash - I find it ironic that children know more about heads on pikes in numerous "Westen Civ" classes then the atrocities of their own country. After Mai Lai, the Army said no more widespread information regarding these things. In Panama, there are reports of over 10,000 civilians killed in that "operation" No real news. The fake reporting from the first gulf war should have shaken every one up - something was really wrong here - now, we all know the story - you can't even take pics of the coffins arriving home...
These videos are important historical fact. I was saddened but compelled enough to post it - I hope some of the historical background and thoughts on porn vs violence were understood - I am not against it in any way other than I want to be able to choose when my 8 year old sees this.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Domo1

 

Without going into specifics, are there quite a few more grusome vids than this? Descriptions only but I've seen a lot and this is one of the worst imho.

CJ

edit on 15-8-2011 by ColoradoJens because: (no reason given)

I think the worst beheading I've ever seen was done not by Islamic terrorists, but by a Mexican drug gang called Los Zetas. What was done to the Russian soldier was mild and quick compared to what the Mexicans did to their prisoner. They seemed to revel in the man's death and they took their own sweet time during the decapitation, allowing the man to drown in his own blood before separating his head from his torso. According to this article beheadings in Mexico are becoming commonplace, the message being "Don't F### with us."

I look forward to the improved context on sawing a person's head off and then celebrating.

reply to post by Aeons


?? I never claimed to be above you nor did I say people should not be able to see it. What's with the hostility?
The question remains, regardless of YOUR moral take. If it is what it is, why should adults not have the opportunity to see other, worse atrocities. Because you feel one is worse than the other does not make it so.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Aeons

 

?? I never claimed to be above you nor did I say people should not be able to see it. What's with the hostility?
The question remains, regardless of YOUR moral take. If it is what it is, why should adults not have the opportunity to see other, worse atrocities. Because you feel one is worse than the other does not make it so.

CJ

How bourgeious of you.

One is not worse. One has more consequences that also have names, because the people watching it are doing it so that they can get more children harmed. Therefore the video itself is a weapon.

Few people are watching a beheading because it makes them want to do it.

Most poeple watching a child being raped are doing it because they want to do it, and either have or are working themselves up to it.

Therefore, the child porn is regulated because its only audience is the depraved who are educating and inciting themselves into depravity.

There is a clear difference.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by BrokenCircles

 

I beg your pardon? Are you saying the point of this thread is Islam bashing? What?

You can beg all day long if you choose to, but that will get you nowhere.

If you expect me to answer this question, that is based on a comment I made about a different members post, then I suggest that you first answer the questions that I directly asked you in my previous post.

Even though the transcript alone makes me feel sick and nauseous, I must say that these were soldiers who were engaged in fightiting just minutes earlier. I know that does not make the severity of the behaviour acceptable or less disgusting but what about the videos of the children shot to death or burned to death in the oh so many overseas conflicts going on right now. What say have they? None. They are killed and mamed and burnt and starved and tortured for being innocent children in the wrong place at the wrong time. Both scenarios are equally heinous if you ask me!

I have no desire to watch the video. That is my choice, my right. However, I felt the need to comment on something I found offensive in this thread.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
I am pretty vociferous in my defense of the 1st amendment, but I think something is wrong with being able to profit from murder videos, as ultimately the sites that show them do. I hope some of you can weigh in on the subject because this is one I feel falls under the catalog of “obscene”.

Emphasis mine. When you add a "but" to the 1st ammendment, you don't believe in it. You believe in a moderated version. Call it, "1st Ammendment Lite". So, do you believe in the 1st ammendment or not? Requesting additional censorship on any subject means you don't. That is what I find offensive.

Find something you despise and defend it to the end - then you believe in the 1st ammendment. War is messed up. I don't think anyone argues that it isn't. If we don't learn from the atrocities of the past, we are doomed to repeat them in the future. So, sight unseen, I believe this video could be used as an educational tool - "We are better than this". I personally don't need to see a video to know that, but there are people in the world that do.

reply to post by BrokenCircles


BrokenCircles, no offense taken by your questions. All valid points. I can't really tell you what compelled me to watch the video. I knew what it was before I saw it, as this is an old video and I think around 2003 I saw it when it was first posted (someone sent it to me).

I was instantly brought back to the cries of the men and the brutality of their captors. Most of the war videos I have seen involve guns and bombs, but this one, for whatever reason stuck with me.

Because the video was posted on a site I like and Youtube has/or had the video posted, I started to think why we as a society are so hung up on censoring sex but seem ok with violence? Not saying one is worse or better than the other, but why?

Also, as I put in the OP, much has changed in what is allowable to a wide audience. The 1996 laws I quoted in the OP seem not to apply here. I am interested in what others think about this.

My being saddened by this video is for my own reasons.

Thanks for the reply!

ColoradoJens