reply to post by misfitofscience
This thread is positively embarrassing. The OP cites a post on another BBS that is confusingly written. It would seem to be a series of questions
directed at someone claiming to be a Navy space pilot, and the alleged pilot's answers. Unfortunately, it is so poorly formatted and transcribed that
it is often difficult to tell who made which statement. This in itself argues for a degree of immaturity in the person who transcribed this to GLP.
Now if we can deconstruct this individuals claims we may get some answers that we are looking for:
Ideally, we would get to the truth of the matter, which is not necessarily the same as the answers we are looking for! First, an observation. By
revealing the existence of a secret military program, the alleged pilot would be committing treason. In order to risk the consequences of this, the
information he has to relate must be of the utmost importance and urgency. The alleged pilot's style seems remarkably relaxed and vague, given these
circumstances. Another note regarding style: for a member of an elite secret military operation, his vocabulary is notably free of MilSpeak: NAVSEC,
SPAWAR, ELINT, RECON...
Due to all the internet hype the Navy actually sent a recon mission to Elenin. Let's just say it won't cause the excitement some think. But it may
present a few surprises that no one expected.
I'll be here for about 20 minutes to answer questions and then I'm off. Just trying to be nice because I know there is a lot of buzz about it.
Is the United States military in the habit of planning its operations around internet gossip? Surely they have sophisticated sources of their own. In
any event, all of this "internet hype" is coming from apocalyptic cultists and UFO bloggers. NASA, the IAU and other bodies engaged in actual space
observations are paying very little attention to this comet. NAVSEC read ELINT on GLP and tasked SPAWAR SOLSYS to RECON C/2010X-1? Really? That would
explain that platoon of SEALS combing British Columbia for Bigfoot.
It certainly is nice of this star pilot to take twenty minutes of his valuable top secret operations time to commit a casual act of treason.
[Q]How long does it take to get there?
[A]From the moment the crew steps in the craft, preps, clears port, about 60 minutes. Actual travel time, about 20.
What does the crew do in the craft for forty minutes? Don't they have a ground crew to prepare all the systems? How long does it take a pilot on an
aircraft carrier to prepare his jet once he gets in? Three quarters of an hour?
Assuming that the Navy sent this mission while the comet was 2 AU away, the trip would have taken 1000 seconds at the speed of light (1AU~499 light
seconds). This is about 17 minutes, so he's in the right ball park. We will set aside the difficulties of navigating at relativistic speeds for the
[Q]Go into detail about a few of these surprises
[A]No doom from elenin. its not a comet, or not totally just a comet.
For someone risking his security clearance, livelihood and possibly life in order to impart important information, he is not being very specific.
[Q]Ok, what exactly is it
[A]check into the properties of E-type asteroids. very similar. however if you connect the dots you 'll know that E types are codeword for something
E-type asteroids are rocky asteroids that lack chrondrules (inclusions of other material, suggesting accretion in space.) They appear to be basaltic
and have relatively high albedos. Current thinking is they have notable crystalline structure. So what? What's to piece together? This "hint" was
simply to get the readers to look up "E-class asteroid." When it turns out that there are such things, the star pilot's story will be "confirmed" in
the eyes of the reader. The problem is, of course, that this technical expression is in no way related to the story; it is just an irrelevant detail
added to suggest veracity. I believe this is his source for the information:
Star Fleet Planetary Classification Scheme
It will become clear why I believe this is his source presently. Why doesn't he simply tell us what "E-type" is code for? To exercise the reader's
imagination. He knows you'll get to ELE!
[Q]What effect does this elenin have on our earth, and what risks does it pose for us?
[A]it won't have any effects on earth. But it may be of interest to ham radio operators
Why? Could he give us a hint what frequency to listen to? Is he implying that there will be artificial transmissions? Again, he is simply exercising
the imagination of the reader.
(Incidentally, comets do emit radio and other frequency waves. When the ions in the coma and tail fall back to their ground state, they release the
extra energy in the form of photons. Most of this radiation is from hydrogen and hydroxyl radicals. Hydroxyl radio emissions are at 1612, 1665, 1667
and 1720 MHz in the 18cm wavelength band. Source.
These are not frequencies Ham radio
operators generally frequent. In any event, comets are not very "loud.")
[Q]op what can you tell us about the program besides the fact that you went to elenin?
[A]that they know they gotta tell everyone soon, because the gap between what we have and what we admit is increasing to a point that they can't keep
it all a secret forever. think 50 lightyears for a one or two day trip is easy.
It is at this point that he explicitly states that the craft travel faster than light. Setting aside the visual effects that occur at near light
speed, the problems of superluminal navigation are insuperable. Because you are traveling faster than light, you would collide with any object in your
path before the light from it could reach your eyes! Further, although space is virtually a vacuum at low speeds, as you travel faster, to traverse
greater distances and the flux dramatically increases. Moving faster than light, intterstellar space would seem to be packed with dust!
[Q]I'd say one would have to be one bad mofo to drive one of those. Can they see me watching them? Are their eye pieces able to see the fly I
[A]actually its easier than flying a jet. most of it is automated. but they still pick the elite of the elite for this stuff. and yes they can see the
fly you are swatting, your facial expression, and who exactly you are via facial recognition.
They can see your face from directly overhead? Not just the top of your head?
Did you go to flight school in Corpus Christi or Pensacola?
[A]i understand your curiosity. i don't want to talk about personal stuff though.
The pilot didn't want to answer because he sensed a trick question. He was correct:
All flight training begins at either NAS Pensacola, Florida, the "Cradle of Naval Aviation", or at Vance Air Force Base, as part of a joint
USN-USAF training effort. ... Primary teaches the SNA the basics of flying. For Navy and Marine Corps SNAs, there are three choices for Primary. The
Navy offers training at either Naval Air Station Whiting Field in Milton, FL, Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Corpus Christi, TX, or Joint
Training with the Air Force at Vance AFB in Oklahoma.
Busted. You would think that a naval aviator would know that primary is always at Pensecola or Vance,
not Corpus Christi!
[Q]OP can you say what the furthest distance from earth you've traveled is? Another star system?
[A]about 250 ly, others much much further, and still heading out
If the Navy has explored an area with a radius of 250 light years, it has potentially explored a volume of 6.5 million cubic light years. Since the
stellar density in the solar neighborhood is about 1 star per cubic parsec, they have potentially explored 1.9 million stars!
And they're still heading out! It makes you wonder how much information
they can gather with these trips.
[Q]Have you observed other civilized planets?
yes, city lights from space, very similar if not identical in some cases to our cities
City lights? That's it? You didn't try making radio contact? Not a very thorough survey, but I guess you had another 1.9 million stars to get to that
[A]but i will share this small tidbit. there are those that create their own sort of wave and ride it like a surfer.
think about Einstein, when they drop a ball in a sheet to demonstrate how timespace gets warped by matter.
they jokingly say we have front wheel drive. we are pushed not pulled and it certainly feels that way even though they say the inertia is canceled i
swear i feel the 'pull'
that's all i will say on this. sorry to be vague.
This should all sound rather familiar:
La Forge then cuts in suggesting that the Enterprise could clear the rift without using the warp engines by "surfing" the distortion waves – by
phase-matching the deflector shields with the EM variance of the distortion wave they would be pulled along in the wave.
If no one can find any points in favor of this not
being a hoax, I hereby formally move that this be moved to [HOAX].
Note: I have taken most of the quotations from
and added bracketed Qs and As to help clarify the dialog.
edit on 16-8-2011 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)
16-8-2011 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)