Hacker Group Threatens Fullerton PD

Originally posted by CaDreamer
may their actions bear much fruit!

The attention span of the main stream media is short term, anonymous is already trolling the news to look for their next ego stroke. They got their fruit, and you are left holding the empty bag.

Originally posted by TupacShakur

Are you serious dude? That's your analysis of Anonymous, they're some nerds who want attention?

Not everyone involved with Anon are nerdy children and teenagers, but I'd imagine the adult saddos who attach themselves on to what is basically an outlet for teenage angst, would have similar issues with social awkwardness and exclusion.

It's a group of social outcasts getting their own back at society, while at the same time gaining some form of power and control which they have yearned for throughout their lives. I'm sure it's an uber-effective form of therapy, but it'll only lead to more problems in the long run with the unconstrained nature of it all.

In addition to the attention that these geeks so desperately crave, some of them appear to be believing their own hype, and are developing a bit of a messiah complex - which is understandable considering all the adulation and sycophancy they receive from their obsequious fanboys.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
It's not people standing up against the corruption within the world and the government, because most people are too braindead and ignorant to even see what's going on with this country, you see them as some nerds who want attention?

Of course it's not people with a deep-seated political cause. If they were , then they'd actually do something rather than saying they're going to do something. Remember, this is the same ''collective'' who flooded epilepsy forums with flashing images, bullied an 11-year-old girl and posted child porn on YouTube.

The cringe-making ''hactivism'' is merely an opportunistic way to gain widespread attention, and to feel like they ''belong'' to something. In addition, these geeks are pretty big on the old role-playing games, so it's likely that a lot of them would naturally evolve into a group with a specific agenda, rather than the directionless path which defines the real Anonymous idea.

Sadly, the role that they've adopted is the ''knight in shining armour on a mission to save humanity'' role.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Have you seen V for Vendetta? That's what their organization is modeling themselves after, it's not some nerds who want attention, it's people standing up against corruption.

I haven't seen the film, but that would rather reinforce my point regarding their general problems with discerning between reality and fantasy. Merging the two ends up with them not quite living in the real-world but, at the same time, not quite living in a fantasy-world. A bit of both, really !

Originally posted by TupacShakur

I'm speechless.

It's a good job that this is a text-based medium then, isn't it ?

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Do you know a single member of Anonymous? They could be working men, elderly citizens, 12 year old asian schoolgirls, but it doesn't matter what their age is, what their popularity or social status is, or what their hobbies are

I've seen enough of conversations on IRC channels which are popular with Anonykids to be able to tell that it's mostly young 'uns we are dealing with here. Also, Lulzsec, who were just an offshoot of Anon, and who wanted to carry on amorally attacking sites for the lulz without interfering with the pious, holier-than-thou PR facade of Anon, have been busted, and look at the demographic of their members ? Socially awkward, pimply teenagers. Quelle Surprise !

I think you'll find the only connection between the average Anonykid and 12-year-old Asian schoolgirls, relates to pictures contained on the Anonykid's hard-drive...

Originally posted by TupacShakur
because Anonymous is a group that stands up against corruption because the rest of society is either too lazy, too scared, too apathetic, or too ignorant and they don't even see things that happen in the world.

Who are you or they to decide what everyone else should want ?! What arrogance !

Complaining about corruption and abuse of power, then abusing their own comparative power to effect undemocratic change is the height of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Hell yeah, I'm pissed! Some pigs killed a retarded man who was handcuffed, and they didn't even get punished!

Again, that has nothing to do with a critique on Anon's actions - or inactions, to be factually correct.

I've also never heard anyone over the age of about 15 use the term ''pig'' to describe a police officer. Perhaps that's quite telling...?

Originally posted by TupacShakur
At least they did something! Would you prefer that the members of Anonymous got out of their moms basement or wherever you ignorantly assume them to be, pick up some guns, go to the Fullerton Police Station, and kill a bunch of cops? Or would you prefer that they stand in front of the police department in a futile attempt to produce results from protesting? At least they did something about this, even if they just shut down a website for a few hours.

No, they didn't; they did nothing. They said they were going to do something, and that appears to be good enough for many of their fanboys who hang on their every word and worship them as some kind of personal saviour.

Even if they did take the website down for a couple of hours, it just makes Anon look like even bigger clowns than they already are, because of their toe-curling grandstanding. ''Give in to our demands or we will DDoS your website for an hour or so''. Utter, utter clowns.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
The claim was that they would shut down the website, and the website was shut down. Or did I miss something here?

I'm not actually sure whether they took it down or not. I only saw this story six hours after their ''ultimatum'', so I don't know whether it was taken down or not.

Either way, I doubt the PD get too many hits at the best of times, let alone midday on a Sunday, so, once again, more completely pointless activity by Anon.

I don't care if you think they're some nerds who got bullied in Junior High School or some stupid garbage like that, they are using whatever resources they have to stand up against corruption.

Better a computer than an assault rifle.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Also, I don't think Anonymous is going to change the world and make it perfect. If we want that to happen, there will have to be either a revolution, or a president who sticks to the Constitution and has realistic views on issues *cough cough Ron Paul*. I just like that many controversial issues that don't yield any results are taken into their hands. Even though taking down a website, releasing some e-mail, or things like that aren't going to fix the world, at least they're making the point that there are people out there who see what's happening and disapprove.

Well, at least you can see that Anon aren't up to much in the grand scheme of things, but there are a lot of Anon fanboys and fangirls out there who genuinely think they are going to bring about change to the world.

I doubt that corrupt politicians and businessmen are unaware that there are people who disapprove of their activities. However, I also doubt that they will be too affected by a group of anonymous people taking down a website for a couple of hours or releasing data involving normal people within government agencies.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
However they have yielded results, they got some CEO to resign after some beef a while back.

What are the chances of that CEO getting a nice little pay-off and walking into the CEO role at another company ?

Hardly much of a ''result''.

Does anyone really know who or what is behind "anonymous"? Everyone love to drool over their attacks and how cool they are...

Remember one very important detail about a group that wants to reshape our nation and reshape how federal govt. operates.

"The ends justify the means...." These blatant and highly publicized cyber attacks will only lead to tighter govt. restrictions and control over an entirely new cyber frontier that is ripe for the govt. picking.

Personally, I see these attacks as well orchestrated trigger mechanisms as a means to an end....

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

Of course it's not people with a deep-seated political cause. If they were , then they'd actually do something rather than saying they're going to do something. Remember, this is the same ''collective'' who [color=limegreen]flooded epilepsy forums with flashing images, bullied an 11-year-old girl and posted child porn on YouTube.

That sounds like some mainstream media propaganda to me, or some douchebags within Anonymous. Do you have any proof of these claims, maybe one of those YouTube videos that they release before doing something to back that up?

I haven't seen the film, but that would rather reinforce my point regarding their general problems with discerning between reality and fantasy. Merging the two ends up with them not quite living in the real-world but, at the same time, not quite living in a fantasy-world. A bit of both, really !

The mask that they wear is symbolic of the idea that all people can be united by an idea. I don't see how that's really such a fairy-tale concept, but whatever.

Also, Lulzsec, who were just an offshoot of Anon, and who wanted to carry on amorally attacking sites for the lulz without interfering with the pious, holier-than-thou PR facade of Anon, have been busted, and look at the demographic of their members ? Socially awkward, pimply teenagers. Quelle Surprise !

Are these the guys that put flashing pictures in epilepsy forums? I would expect people that act so immaturely to be kids, and it would be pretty disappointing to find out that adults were doing that.

I think you'll find the only connection between the average Anonykid and 12-year-old Asian schoolgirls, relates to pictures contained on the Anonykid's hard-drive...

Who are you or they to decide what everyone else should want ?! What arrogance !

My bad, I guess people....like corruption?

Complaining about corruption and abuse of power, then abusing their own comparative power to effect undemocratic change is the height of hypocrisy.

Yes, but they're using their power to fight corruption, at least for the most part, when they're not being douches and posting flashing pictures in epilepsy forums. If they were just hacking random sites for no reason, that would be stupid and I wouldn't support them.

But "attacking" sites that give away peoples person information, police departments that don't punish murders, corrupt corporations, and so on isn't really such a deviant action that should be looked down upon.

Fight fire with fire.

Again, that has nothing to do with a critique on Anon's actions - or inactions, to be factually correct.

But it does, because that's what this thread is about, Anonymous taking down that police stations website.

I've also never heard anyone over the age of about 15 use the term ''pig'' to describe a police officer. Perhaps that's quite telling...?

I'm actually in college. But I'm sorry, I should have been more respectful towards 5 sociopathic law enforcement officers who beat a handcuffed retarded homeless man to death while he was lying on the ground defenseless. Jeez, I'm so disrespectful, using the term "pig" to describe 5 people who tortured a man to death by electrocution, and then beat him into a coma, eventually killing him is so rude of me!

Let's flip it around, let's say 5 people held down a police officer, beat his face in, broke some ribs, ruptured a lung, caused some internal bleeding, caused a concussion, sprayed him with mace until his eyes bled, and tazed him repeatedly. If somebody called those people "wretches" or "sick bastards", would you be criticizing them as well?

But oh no, I called 5 remorseless cops who abused their power to the maximum, killed a man after beating him to death, and got away with that terrible crime "pigs", I'm such an immature little kid, huh?

"Pig" is really quite respectful in comparison to what I would have liked to say about those cops, which most likely would have got be banned,.

I doubt that corrupt politicians and businessmen are unaware that there are people who disapprove of their activities. However, I also doubt that they will be too affected by a group of anonymous people taking down a website for a couple of hours or releasing data involving normal people within government agencies.

Yeah, but lots of people are aware of the people that Anonymous targets, and as more people follow their activities, the more people will learn about the screwed up things that go on in the world.

You guys are so for Anonymous but you don't see the bigger picture here. Do you know what Anonymous is going to give us? More laws and regulation regarding the Internet. First, their going to be regarded as Domestic Terrorists, which will enable them to pass laws -more laws against our privacy. Then, they'll get their grubby hands on the Internet.

Oh yeah, Anonymous is SO great. Why haven't they been brought to justice yet? Oh, they could get them if they REALLY wanted to. Once you realize they're letting them do these things you'll understand why they're not pursuing them just yet. They can find them whenever they want, but the authorities are being told to hold back for a bit.

Anonymous is doing much more harm than good. What good are they REALLY doing for you and I?? Nothing. Their good effects little, but the harm that's coming will effect many. The "good" can be seen right now, but the harm is being worked behind the scenes as they plan passing certain laws.

Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Is file-sharing considered publishing I wonder, as in p2p? Maybe there's a loophole in there somewhere, because I seriously hate to hear of anyone, especially young people ruining their lives by committing felonies...

Another thing that concerns me in this particular thread, is that a man was brutally beaten and killed, and some of you are only concerned about your internet freedoms being attacked. This is one of the most selfish things I have ever heard of in my life, seriously....



For the record Wrabbit, the second part was not directed to you. Sorry if it sounded that way...

Originally posted by AnonymousVan

You're very mature indeed, to react in a so angry way.

edit on 14-8-2011 by AnonymousVan because: (no reason given)

I noticed a disturbing pattern to your message.
Paint the dissenting side as "angry" "hatred" etc.
This is a very very familiar tactic used in politics. We all hear of the "angry left' and the "angry right". You guys are no better than The Powers That Be, mimicking them perfectly.

Your little group Anonymous does not seem to tollerate opposing points of view. All dissenters are "angry" "uneducated".

I will provide examples from your post history to back up my discovery,
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Originally posted by AnonymousVan
with your anti Anonymous hatred

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Originally posted by AnonymousVan
his uneducated hatred

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Originally posted by AnonymousVan

Yes , we know you hate Anonymous, but please, stop embarassing yourself with your useless posts, you're not even contributing to the thread , except with your constant hatred.

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And it could go on and on but I think I made my point.

Seig Heil mr anonymous.

I'll admit that reading this thread somewhat bothers me.
Why should Anon stand up for a bunch of people who not stand up for their rights?
It should be you all as American citizen standing together, to make sure they are prosecuted, either with Anon but not Anon alone, with the rest cheering because someone stood up against the murderes of Kelly Thomas.
For this matter it should not be Anonimous, but the voice of america that is heared, and that voice is you as a american citizens standing together and take a stand.

reply to post by earthling42


It's truly sad, but American's (and I use the term to refer to citizen's of the US) have been conditioned to slavery through debt. Everyone feel's that individually they have too much to lose to act collectively. This is why debt is so important to keep us under control, and why nothing has been done to curb it.

Originally posted by visualmiscreant
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Is file-sharing considered publishing I wonder, as in p2p? Maybe there's a loophole in there somewhere, because I seriously hate to hear of anyone, especially young people ruining their lives by committing felonies...

Another thing that concerns me in this particular thread, is that a man was brutally beaten and killed, and some of you are only concerned about your internet freedoms being attacked. This is one of the most selfish things I have ever heard of in my life, seriously....

edit on 8/15/2011 by visualmiscreant because: added comment

The man that got beaten and killed has nothing to do with anonymous. They only latched onto the issue a month after the occurance because it hit the main news. It was just an opportunistic grab on their ego trip.
It should disgust people that such a morally bankrupt group are using real life scenarios for their own notoriety.

I define morally bankrupt to mean breaking laws, stealing from private citizens, releasing ID's of people who can get killed in real life because of it, using extortion as their tool to gauge success.

Their illegal methods are a perfect parallel to how US authorities were accused of crossing the line and using torture as a way to get critical information.
Their extortion techniques are parallel to Islamic extremists threatening to behead people to keep Westerners out of their countries.
These hackivists are just another form of extremism that needs public castration, not adoration.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

So now Anonymous has become judge, jury, and executioner in your eyes?

In all cases, absolutely not! But there was no judge, jury, and executioner in the case of these police officers, they committed murder and got off the hook.

Where was the judge and jury while 5 cops were beating a handcuffed, mentally retarded man to death? It's OK for Fullerton PD to become the judge and jury, but not OK for citizens standing up to this to be the judge and jury of corruption?

Tit for tat eh? So with this logic, if a Fullerton officer were to run into a member of anon it would be acceptable for him to beat him senseless right?

Of course the Fullerton PD should be held accountable, no doubt in that, but threatening to take down their website, wow that's gonna leave a mark. Just checked and the site seems to be doing fine, what has anon accomplished? I guess you could say they got another 5 minutes of press, good for them.

They got software skills, time to utilize, or at least teach and deliver, these valuable tools...



no one will do anything with another data dump, just like no one did anything with the Missouri data dump, if you want to disrupt communication of the enemy, this is a must have (oh yeah, they're illegal to posses, use, build, etc, but uhh...you know)

they can jam walk-talkies as well, anything using radio waves become null and void

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by ConspiraCity


Agreed! The people of foolerton need to be woke up, broke up, etc,,,