Pakistan lets China see US helicopter

reply to post by JennaDarling


Actually, no. This is ATS.

Originally posted by Grimnal
~the helicopter didnt crash it was blown up.

Correct

~helicopter was blown up because the city was under emp

no - the helicopter was blown up because it crashed, and it probably crashed because it got into "vortex ring state", which is a nasty thing that can happen to Helicopters and is a well known phenomena - look it up.

Dunno where you got the story about emp from, but no-one actually reported any electronic problems - people were able to use cell phones to photo/video the area.

~they used an old loud vietnam style helicopter for the evac (by Vietnam style it was primitive in electronics manual chopper)

They flew in with 2 "stealthed" UH-60 Black Hawk Helicopters - 1 of which crashed - the otehr worked jsut fine and flew out again. The UH-60 entered service in 1979 - 7 years after the end of US involvement in the Vietnam war.

The Chinook backups are descendants of a type that first flew in 1961. But hte MH-47E and G models only date back to 1991 - they are not rebuilt A, B or C models such as the CH-47D's mainly are.

china is developing more deploy-able emp quiet choppers doesn't really cut it try develop organic transistors for aeronautical drones that's the race probably already won.

WTF is "emp quiet"??

EMP isnt' something that "listens" - is is a pulse of energy that takes out unshielded electronics.

The USA more-or-less stopped researching EMP hardening after hte end of hte cold war - but all that cold war hardening is still "built into" existing systems, and it seems likely they have restarted in the wake of this report of the US EMP Commission in 2004 which noted the lessening in military EMP policy & procedures, and recommended it all get going again.

china has the chopper because they want them to

They dont have "the helicopter" at all - the most they can have is some wreckage and an intact tail plane.

No doubt they will try hard to figure out as much about it as they can, however it's not nearly as much of a "coup" as when the Japs handed over a Mig-25 to the USA, or Israel handed over all sorts of captured Soviet equipment.

all technology changes hands constantly, because of a shoot down,failure, spy's, or just plain bad luck.
Regardless it is a fact we all want the "others technology" but you must keep in mind if your going in with your good stuff and you get caught then that technology is anybody's fare.
Regards, Iwinder

Pakistan let China see ‘stealth’ chopper from bin Laden raid

The surviving tail section, photos of which were widely distributed on the Internet, was returned to the United States following a trip by U.S. Senator John Kerry in May, a spokesman for the U.S. embassy told Reuters

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All the Pakis had was the tail section. Well, supposedly anyway. Nothing here to see folks. No worries, I am sure that the enemies within have already sold the technology of this Chopper to Red China. The Chinese probably just wanted to verify that what they got from the traitor in D.C or wherever, was correct. Oh and uh, I don't believe a single word from those liars about the Osama killing. Yep, That's right. Not a single word. ~SheopleNation

okay really, has anyone really looked at this picture? giant bulky super secret stealth helicopter looks like something out of a bad comic book from the 1960's! does anyone really neleive this was anything more than a cheap plant to create more drama? or to bait china or pakistan into being naughty? odds are, those SEALS were carrying morethan enough firepower to blast it black to oblivion, even if not, we have drones dont we? this is far far too blatant to be any kind of sincere f**k up. even for our military. And thats saying something.

Once more, it was the fact that the US sucks at geopolitics that froced the paki government into hostile US sentiment. When they wanted a grand gesture to show thier constituents that we come in peace, we raided their boarders and dropped bombs. not exactly an intelligent PR campaign. Whats more, inducing pakistani hostility toward the US has built a safeharbor for terrorists, and weakened the US' capacity to be global police in their area. True, our relationship with india is improving, and rather quickly at that, but to throw an old ally by the wayside for a brighter newer bigger one is short sighted and illtimed to say the least. Welcome to the modern american geopolitical policy, "like us or we bomb you" (now endorsed by democrat presidents!)
perhaps its time to inprove our political talents in America and out the hacks on both sides who can't get beyond their own lust for money and power as they brainwash even themselves into mindless (but nice sounding) dribble.
PS can i get some of that hope/change back?

Well it seems like China and Pakistan are both strongly denying this happened;

China and Pakistan have vehemently denied claims that Chinese military engineers were given access to the wreckage of the American stealth helicopter destroyed in the Abbottabad raid, with Beijing terming such reports as "ridiculous".

Reacting to American media reports on how Pakistan had allowed visits by Chinese experts to look at the stealth technology and take away samples of the crashed chopper for research, China''s Ministry of National Defence said they were "groundless" and "ridiculous".

news.in.msn.com...

Who's buying it? Not me, for sure.

Originally posted by HellstormRising
reply to post by JennaDarling

 

Please get real and realize that regardless of whose chopper it was it went down and Pakistan is supposed to be an ally.

What kind of an ally is it when the US constantly bombs them and kills their civilians?

reply to post by GLaDOS


The same kind as France in WW2 - "we" killed about 67,000 Frenchmen in 2-3 years of bombing ......

This is far from a suprise. But hey! Let's give the Pakis another few Billion. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by JennaDarling

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
The combined intelligence of more than one billion people in China cannot match the US or the west in general. It's a fundamental flaw in their society whereby they breed their citizens into robots and wonder why none of them can think out of the box in a creative manner. China are forever doomed to be cheap, shameless rip off merchants. Not one original thought amongst them.

In the harsh light of day Hu Jintao must find it hard to take an honest look in the mirror and know he rules over a land of completely inept idiots who can only steal and copy... but then again, he's probably not capable of that cognitive thought himself.


IRM

Lol Wut?

You are huff puffing that China is robots, and they are not creative?

Some would argue Americans and Brits are some of biggest SHEEP in the world when it comes to being herded.

For not being smart, they sure sucked all the economy out of America eh.

thats true. most americans believe that the navy seals killed bin laden, when in fact there is no evidence for this. as far as the cheap rip off merchants, most of those are actually taiwanese, but you'll never hear about this because the govt of taiwan is completely submissive to the rogue u.s regime. the only reason why america isnt a cheap rip off merchant is because they are too busy crashing other peoples industries.

Originally posted by AZLEA
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thats true. most americans believe that the navy seals killed bin laden, when in fact there is no evidence for this.

ROFL - clearly the definition of evidence is weak in this one!

You may choose to not believe the evidence of it, but none-the-less there is a great deal of evidence - from the President going on nationwide tv to say that they did so, to the Pakistani's getting all up in a huff about it.

As I say - you can choose to not believe it......but to say there is NO evidence betrays your own shortcomings.

If this chopper was some latest high-tec millitairy stuff, all the news agencies do a lot of guessing.

Do not think for a second that there is not an automatic distruction of some kind that will blow all the sensitive hardware to the next kingdom by the seal-team if the chopper was to leave behind for some reason.

And then there is ofcourse the cloak and dagger stuff....let the enemy think you know something they think was impossible.

On the other hand I belief that TPTB are becoming over convident and sloppy.

Family, comrades honor fallen Colorado pilot

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DAN ELLIOTT, Associated Press
Updated 12:52 p.m., Friday, August 19, 201

AURORA, Colo. (AP) — Family members, friends and comrades gathered Friday to honor a Colorado National Guard pilot who was among 38 people killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. Chief Warrant Officer 4 David R. Carter, 47, was one of two pilots aboard a Chinook helicopter that crashed Aug. 6, apparently when it was shot down by insurgents.

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