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A question for believers or 'OSers'....

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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Try duplicating the above./. try using physics to explain in detail how either is possible..

Dream on little dreamer!


I don't need physics to explain old wive's tales:


Q: There are reports of straw and other debris penetrating cattle, trees and other solid objects during a tornado. Does this occur because of the wind speeds involved, or is there any truth to something I was told which is the "inside" of the tornado is a perfect vacuum that causes solid objects to basically "open up" or pull apart?

A: You're correct, there are confirmed reports of straws penetrating trees or boards in tornadoes. Years ago some thought that tornado winds were fast enough to drive straws into trees, but measurements of tornado wind speeds have shown that they rarely approach 300 mph. The air pressure inside a tornado is lower than the surrounding pressure, but is far from a perfect vacuum. The most generally accepted theory about what happens is that the winds bend trees or boards enough to open up the grains, a straw flies in and the tree straightens up when the tornado moves on. (12-29-96)

www.usatoday.com...




posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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That is funny!

Are you serious? No wonder you can't get a good grasp on reality...

I have a question, feel free to answer if you want, or ignore if you don't want to. Do you believe in god?



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Hey Shaun, for fun did you see this picture?




next thing you will hear that credit card was planted in the cooler .



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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reply to post by Yankee451
 


I guess this little stick didnt get the memo:




posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Wait, don't you want to tell me a straw can cut down a telephone pole now?

That's the equivalent of your straw analogy...the "wings" cut down steel collumns, so if you speed that straw up to the right velocity, and have it strike the tree sideways it should cut it down, right?

You asked for physics, and I linked to the best known explanation for items being embedded in trees during extreme weather. Cracks are opened, and objects fly in, and then the cracks close.

Repeating urban legends is not the same as critical thinking.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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The credit card was lodged in a preexsiting crack. This is still consistent with the USA Today article.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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The little stick is probably sticking in a crack. If not, I'd guess it's because it's sharper and harder than the bark it impaled.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Yes, I am saying that.. If several random straws (filled with 2 gallons of jet fuel) hit just right, they could essentially take down a telephone pole.

There is a truther that likes to use the line about wooden kamikaze planes and ships.. He used to say that not one air craft carrier or peripheral ships were ever sank by these wooden planes.. That is 100% inaccurate..

Tell the grandchildren of the crews from these ships, that steel beats metal EVERY TIME!!

Year
Date Ship
1944 Oct. 25 St. Lo (CVE-63) (escort carrier) [8]
Nov. 1 Abner Read (DD-526) (destroyer)
Nov. 27 SC-744 (submarine chaser)
Dec. 5 LSM-20 (landing ship, medium)
Dec. 7 Mahan (DD-364) (destroyer)
Dec. 7 LSM-318 (landing ship, medium)
Dec. 7 Ward (APD-16) (high-speed transport)
Dec. 10 William S. Ladd (Liberty cargo ship)
Dec. 10 PT-323 (motor torpedo boat)
Dec. 11 Reid (DD-369) (destroyer)
Dec. 15 LST-472 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 15 LST-738 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 18 PT-300 (motor torpedo boat)
Dec. 21 LST-460 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 21 LST-749 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 28 John Burke (Liberty cargo ship)
Dec. 30 Porcupine (IX-126) (auxiliary tanker)
1945 Jan. 4 Ommaney Bay (CVE-79) (escort carrier)
Jan. 5 Lewis L. Dyche (Liberty cargo ship)
Jan. 6 Long (DMS-12) (high-speed minesweeper)
Feb. 21 Bismark Sea (CVE-21) (escort carrier)
Apr. 6 Bush (DD-529) (destroyer)
Apr. 6 Colhoun (DD-801) (destroyer)
Apr. 6 Emmons (DMS-22) (high-speed minesweeper)
Apr. 6 Hobbs Victory (cargo ship)
Apr. 6 Logan Victory (cargo ship)
Apr. 7 LST-447 (landing ship, tank) [9]
Apr. 12 Mannert L. Abele (DD-733) (destroyer)
Apr. 12 LCS(L)(3)-33 (landing craft, support (large) (Mk. III)) [10]
Apr. 16 Pringle (DD-477) (destroyer)
Apr. 22 Swallow (AM-65) (minesweeper)
Apr. 22 LCS(L)(3)-15 (landing craft, support (large) (Mk. III))
Apr. 27 Canada Victory (cargo ship)
May 3 Little (DD-803) (destroyer)
May 3 LSM(R)-195 (landing ship, medium (rocket))
May 4 Morrison (DD-560) (destroyer)
May 4 Luce (DD-522) (destroyer)
May 4 LSM(R)-190 (landing ship, medium (rocket))
May 4 LSM(R)-194 (landing ship, medium (rocket))
May 25 Bates (APD-47) (high-speed transport)
May 25 LSM-135 (landing ship, medium)
May 28 Drexler (DD-741) (destroyer)
June 10 William D. Porter (DD-579) (destroyer)
June 16 Twiggs (DD-591) (destroyer)
June 21 LSM-59 (landing ship, medium)
June 21 Barry (APD-29) (high-speed transport) [11]
July 29 Callaghan (DD-792) (destroyer) [12]



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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What about the stick through the concrete?
There have been several accounts of straw penetrating telephone poles and trees.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
reply to post by Yankee451
 


Yes, I am saying that.. If several random straws (filled with 2 gallons of jet fuel) hit just right, they could essentially take down a telephone pole.

There is a truther that likes to use the line about wooden kamikaze planes and ships.. He used to say that not one air craft carrier or peripheral ships were ever sank by these wooden planes.. That is 100% inaccurate..

Tell the grandchildren of the crews from these ships, that steel beats metal EVERY TIME!!

Year
Date Ship
1944 Oct. 25 St. Lo (CVE-63) (escort carrier) [8]
Nov. 1 Abner Read (DD-526) (destroyer)
Nov. 27 SC-744 (submarine chaser)
Dec. 5 LSM-20 (landing ship, medium)
Dec. 7 Mahan (DD-364) (destroyer)
Dec. 7 LSM-318 (landing ship, medium)
Dec. 7 Ward (APD-16) (high-speed transport)
Dec. 10 William S. Ladd (Liberty cargo ship)
Dec. 10 PT-323 (motor torpedo boat)
Dec. 11 Reid (DD-369) (destroyer)
Dec. 15 LST-472 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 15 LST-738 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 18 PT-300 (motor torpedo boat)
Dec. 21 LST-460 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 21 LST-749 (landing ship, tank)
Dec. 28 John Burke (Liberty cargo ship)
Dec. 30 Porcupine (IX-126) (auxiliary tanker)
1945 Jan. 4 Ommaney Bay (CVE-79) (escort carrier)
Jan. 5 Lewis L. Dyche (Liberty cargo ship)
Jan. 6 Long (DMS-12) (high-speed minesweeper)
Feb. 21 Bismark Sea (CVE-21) (escort carrier)
Apr. 6 Bush (DD-529) (destroyer)
Apr. 6 Colhoun (DD-801) (destroyer)
Apr. 6 Emmons (DMS-22) (high-speed minesweeper)
Apr. 6 Hobbs Victory (cargo ship)
Apr. 6 Logan Victory (cargo ship)
Apr. 7 LST-447 (landing ship, tank) [9]
Apr. 12 Mannert L. Abele (DD-733) (destroyer)
Apr. 12 LCS(L)(3)-33 (landing craft, support (large) (Mk. III)) [10]
Apr. 16 Pringle (DD-477) (destroyer)
Apr. 22 Swallow (AM-65) (minesweeper)
Apr. 22 LCS(L)(3)-15 (landing craft, support (large) (Mk. III))
Apr. 27 Canada Victory (cargo ship)
May 3 Little (DD-803) (destroyer)
May 3 LSM(R)-195 (landing ship, medium (rocket))
May 4 Morrison (DD-560) (destroyer)
May 4 Luce (DD-522) (destroyer)
May 4 LSM(R)-190 (landing ship, medium (rocket))
May 4 LSM(R)-194 (landing ship, medium (rocket))
May 25 Bates (APD-47) (high-speed transport)
May 25 LSM-135 (landing ship, medium)
May 28 Drexler (DD-741) (destroyer)
June 10 William D. Porter (DD-579) (destroyer)
June 16 Twiggs (DD-591) (destroyer)
June 21 LSM-59 (landing ship, medium)
June 21 Barry (APD-29) (high-speed transport) [11]
July 29 Callaghan (DD-792) (destroyer) [12]


I don't think I've ever had this conversation without having to suffer through the old "tell the grandchildren of these brave WWII heroes that" crap.

This is a pathetic attempt at clutching at straws. Pun intended.
edit on 19-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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What about the "stick through concrete"...are you going to go off on that tangent now?




There have been several accounts of straw penetrating telephone poles and trees.


Once again, just so the readers know...this is an old wive's tale. You, I can understand not knowing this, but I figure Gen sure does, but still peddles that crap as if it's real.


Q: There are reports of straw and other debris penetrating cattle, trees and other solid objects during a tornado. Does this occur because of the wind speeds involved, or is there any truth to something I was told which is the "inside" of the tornado is a perfect vacuum that causes solid objects to basically "open up" or pull apart?

A: You're correct, there are confirmed reports of straws penetrating trees or boards in tornadoes. Years ago some thought that tornado winds were fast enough to drive straws into trees, but measurements of tornado wind speeds have shown that they rarely approach 300 mph. The air pressure inside a tornado is lower than the surrounding pressure, but is far from a perfect vacuum. The most generally accepted theory about what happens is that the winds bend trees or boards enough to open up the grains, a straw flies in and the tree straightens up when the tornado moves on. (12-29-96)

www.usatoday.com...



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by ShaunHatfield
 


What about the "stick through concrete"...are you going to go off on that tangent now?




There have been several accounts of straw penetrating telephone poles and trees.


Once again, just so the readers know...this is an old wive's tale. You, I can understand not knowing this, but I figure Gen sure does, but still peddles that crap as if it's real.


Q: There are reports of straw and other debris penetrating cattle, trees and other solid objects during a tornado. Does this occur because of the wind speeds involved, or is there any truth to something I was told which is the "inside" of the tornado is a perfect vacuum that causes solid objects to basically "open up" or pull apart?

A: You're correct, there are confirmed reports of straws penetrating trees or boards in tornadoes. Years ago some thought that tornado winds were fast enough to drive straws into trees, but measurements of tornado wind speeds have shown that they rarely approach 300 mph. The air pressure inside a tornado is lower than the surrounding pressure, but is far from a perfect vacuum. The most generally accepted theory about what happens is that the winds bend trees or boards enough to open up the grains, a straw flies in and the tree straightens up when the tornado moves on. (12-29-96)

www.usatoday.com...


So the credit card just happened to find a crack to fly into?
And the board that went through the curb, let me guess, that too found a small crack in the curb and broke through?


and you wonder why we cannot take you seriously!!!!
edit on 8/19/2011 by GenRadek because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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So the credit card just happened to find a crack to fly into? And the board that went through the curb, let me guess, that too found a small crack in the curb and broke through? ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol:

and you wonder why we cannot take you seriously!!!!


You might want to take it up with the Tornado Science answers archive at USA Today.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Yankee, please answer my question. I feel it is relevant to your gullibility. Do you believe in god?



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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It is irrelevant to the conversation, as are most of your comments. It is also none of your business.

Edit: You claimed you've read my threads. You would know the answer to your question had you read anything.



edit on 19-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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LOL.... Hypocrite much?? Irrelevant? Just like your 9/11 delusion, that is your opinion... Kind of like your facts..

Equation for Yankee's theory: Assumption = x, Opinion = y, Speculation = t, emotion = c, Ignorance = z,

x + y + t + c = z

You are pretty good at stomping up and down, refusing to answer what you deem irrelevant. This is tantamount to you demanding answers to your COMPLETELY irrational and absurd questions.

I never said I read all of your "movement" ... I read a few... frankly that was all it took, to get a good overall view of your opinions and thoughts...

You foofoo anything that anyone says that disagrees with your theory or opinions. You do exactly what you accuse others of. This is the circle of forum life.. You are only receiving what you dish out. If you would approach people with respect, you would get the same.

Unlike yourself, I have first hand knowledge of 9/11 ... I didn't just get "awakened" by some money grab website, preying on weak minded people, that will believe anything that sounds exciting.

What info do you have, that you have not received via the internet? Were you there? Did you see anything that day? Were you even out of grade school in 2001?


ETA: How in the world would I know your religious view, when every single last post of yours is related to the 9/11 delusion?

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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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We still all realise that the OP is full of untrue things... not calling the OP a liar, I'm sure he may believe these things, but like sooo many of these threads a lot of what Truthers say is just flat out untrue...

They feel they have this huge mountain of evidence, but it's actually a tower of playing cards...

I used to be a truther... then I was 9/11 agnostic, then an OSer, because, well, the Truthers don't really have any evidence of things like CD, etc.

I remember reading a multi-page thread where some OSer challenged Truthers to find a single other case of "Top Down Demolition" and, while every Truther say, "It looks like a demo" the fact is, it doesn't, at all.

It neither looked or sounded like demos... but that doesn't stop these CT believers... they HAVE to believe because their world-view is grounded in this conspiracy... but the fact are NOT there... the OPs post is a perfect example of a LOT of untrue 911 CT stuff masquerading as "fact"...
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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I have a very busy life... I tend to forget exactly who each member was... I scrolled through, and remembered you are the gentlemen that thinks the WTC were brought down by a bunch of missiles fired at angles... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH really?..... That is great!!!

There once was a boy who had a desperate need to feel "special" he found these forums that discussed something that this little boy found exciting. This little boy spent ALL of his time on this forum, discussing this with like minded individuals.. THEN, this little boy had an idea.. This idea would make him "special" in his group of like minded individuals... He then constructed his theory off how things "could be" or "could have happened" .. Then his only problem, was finding all of the facts that "kind of" fit his theory.. He then took all of these coincidences, turning them into facts to fit his theory.. He was no longer a nameless face.. He had become "the one"....

Shaun Hatfield

ETA: There are ZERO "life points" for finding a conspiracy in everything!
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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Thanks, your comments are appreciated.



posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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And I thought we were supposed to talk about the topic at hand...
Ah yes, 9/11 is the pet topic for some people that wants to believe that fire can bring down concrete and steel buildings, hilarious...
Yankee talking about missiles and holograms? Cant really say that I read that...



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