Chemtrails: Our Biggest Threat

From the old board:

-- Posted by KrazyMatty on 5:27 am on Oct. 20, 2001

Right now, Chemtrails are being reported ALL over the US more often then ever!

I don't know about you, but this scares me, especially concerning current events.

Read this article to give you some understanding to what Chemtrails are if you are unaware of this phenomenom.

"So, you haven't yet figured out the airborne conditioning-agent
release program that is being operated by the government. I'll give
you some hints, but first I'll give you a little information about
myself. I'm a retired government scientist with an advanced degree in
one of the health-related disciplines. I do not use my real name for
fear of retaliation, either against me, or against members of my
family. I always try to route my e-mail communications so that they
appear to come from another source, usually from one somewhere within
the government. Sometimes I use the internet resources of the public
library - whatever it takes to hide my true identity and confuse those
who don't want the sort of information I possess to fall into the
public's hands.

I have a small circle of friends who are, or were, in key positions
within our military and several government agencies. These are not the
very top level personnel, but mid to upper mid-level people,
scientists and analysts, who are in positions where they can see the
day-to-day activities of what's going on, who are charged with
implementing the details, but who are never quite privy to the schemes
behind the work they do. Each of my contacts has been able to supply
me with a portion of the puzzle, but separately, none of them
understands the whole story. I'll tell you what I've pieced together
so far. But I have to admit that this information frightens me because
there is no place I can go with it. What am I supposed to do - write
my congressman? I believe that would be like signing my own death
warrant.

This whole chemtrail issue is related to the plan for decreasing the
world population to around 450-500 million -- and starting with the US
first. Why? The people of the US are the only ones with even the
remotest chance of stopping this. That is, if they knew about it.
That's why the US has to be the first to go. You have to understand
that the world's elite covet the US for its geographic diversity - and
they would love to return this country to its condition as it existed
prior to Columbus setting foot here, but without the Native Americans
this time of course. 20

You may have already heard how several national parks have been
designated as world biospheres - that's the plan for all of North
America, a giant nature park and playground that will be devoid of
annoying human beings (that would be us). And the people actually
involved in doing the spraying, as well as those who will take part in
the rest of the plans, are being duped into believing they will be
spared, that is, permitted to live and remain on this continent as
administrators and caretakers of this vast nature preserve. I
understand that about 150 to 200 thousand people are projected as
necessary for maintenance purposes. But it's likely these people will
not be Americans. Those in charge wouldn't want to risk the
possibility of some sort of revolt, so the workers will probably be
brought in from Europe and Asia.

There are rumors floating about the internet that the chemtrail's are
part of some sort of secret program the government is doing to protect
the US from future biological attacks. Nothing could be further from
the truth. The plan is to sensitize, or condition, the US population
to being wiped out by influenza A. Over the past few years, people
have been encouraged to get flu shots to protect them against the
generally non-lethal strains that circulate through the population
during flu season. 20

Each year the US government has guessed which strains were most likely
to spread. They seem to always guess right - don't they? This flu
season, the government protected people with a trivalent vaccine that
included the A/Beijing/262/95-like (H1N1) and the A/Sydney/5/97-like
(H3N2). It also contained the B/Beijing/184/93-like hemagglutinin
antigens. For those not familiar with virology, the H and N refer to
proteins on the outside of the virus, the hemagglutinin and
neuraminidase, which are responsible for the virus attaching to, and
then invading, a host cell. The public has been quite pleased with the
success of the vaccines offered so far. But that will change in the
future.

Researchers at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious
Diseases (or USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick in Frederick MD have
reconstructed and modified the H1N1 Spanish Flu virus, making it far
more deadly than it ever was back when it was responsible for the
1918-1919 flu pandemic that killed over 20 million worldwide and over
500,000 here in the US. Consider that it could have killed many more,
but back then, people couldn't hop on a jet and travel from New York
to L.A. in five hours. Now, our ability to travel will increase the
spread and will be our downfall.

The flu vaccines contain killed virus and protect the body well
against challenge by that particular strain, but work poorly against
other strains not included in the inoculation. At some point, the
vaccine stockpile will include the more lethal modification of the
1918 H1N1 in its live form. Most people receiving this vaccine will
simply be renewing their annual flu shot, and the vaccine will still
include the inactivated version of the more benign form of H1N1 (as
was included in this year's vaccine). The presence of the milder
strain in the inoculum will slow down the progression of the more
lethal H1N1 form, so people will become sick more slowly - but they
will still eventually die. It will just take a few weeks longer.

In the meantime, they will be carriers for the lethal form of the
virus, passing it on to everyone with whom they make contact. And as
people hear that others are dropping dead from the flu, they will
flock to get their own vaccination. And the entire population will be
more receptive to infection because their lungs will have been
pre-conditioned to guarantee it.

If you will remember back to 1968 and '69, the Hong Kong flu, which
was influenza A type H3N2, killed over 30,000 people in the U.S.
alone. That was a fortuitous learning event for some because it taught
them that the flu could still conceivably be used to wipe out a
population. But at the same time, it pointed out the need to
precondition the populace so that those who might normally be
resistant could be rendered susceptible. Hence the development of the
vaccine program and the aerial spraying procedures to condition the
population. The purpose of the chemicals in the chemtrails is to help
the viral envelope fuse with lung cells, permitting easier penetration
and infection.

But what about those few individuals who don't succumb to the flu?
Probability alone demands that there will be some who survive -
pockets of the population that are either not reached or somehow (and
this is less likely) are resistant to the lethal H1N1 strain. At this
point you must also remember that our military personnel have been
immunized against a variety of pathogens, including the anthrax
bacillus. 20

For those geographically isolated areas where the flu doesn't do its
job, it's a fairly simple matter to lay down anthrax spores and then
send in what's left of the military to take care of anyone still
breathing. The anthrax spraying will probably come under the guise of
a flu protection program to save those still alive after the epidemic.
And the military, having been exposed to civilians with the flu, will
eagerly await their own flu shots. I should emphasize that this is a
last resort scenario. Those orchestrating the plan will not want to
use anthrax until all other possibilities are exhausted - this because
of the long-term viability of anthrax spores. To scatter them over the
countryside would mean the area would be dangerous for use by humans,
at least those not vaccinated against the bacteria.

And think about this for a moment. Why do you suppose agencies like
Fish and Wildlife are so eager to reintroduce wolves and other species
into areas of the country which haven't seen these animals for
generations. It's all part of the plan to restore this land to what
the elite envision as its early paradise-like state, with wild animals
freely roaming the uninhabited plains and forests. Granted, it will
take some time to clean up the place and to maybe destroy a lot of
small towns that might otherwise be considered a blight on the
landscape. But for the global elite it will be a small price for us to
pay for their enjoyment"

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-- Posted by pacpisces on 10:50 am on Oct. 20, 2001

I hope it doesn't happen, but I must have faith in God no matter what.

I personally haven't seen anything, but have heard from you guys in the West and East coast of America. Also in other countries. I don't see how we could find out from the gov., they will just wish it away and the public probably won't withstand asking about it.

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-- Posted by Thomas Crowne on 2:21 pm on Oct. 20, 2001

I've never seen one, nor have I heard much of this. What's the deal? How do they differ in appearance from a contrail? At what altitude are they released?

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-- Posted by ZION on 3:11 pm on Oct. 20, 2001

You guys should check out the Chemtrail board but I must warn you, it's an ezboard... !!

Chemtrail Message Board

You must check out their website!!! it's the best website on chemtrails:
www.carnicom.com...

Here is a list of other Chemtrail websites

- www.chemtrailcentral.com...
- purplehaze.4mg.com...
- strangehaze.freeservers.com...
- www.trufax.org...
- www.chemtrail.com...
- www.rense.com...

I think this is more than enough....

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-- Posted by NCOIC on 1:25 pm on Oct. 24, 2001

Thanks for the links Zion.

It seems chemtrails are being reported more then ever after the Sept. 11 attacks. Very spooky.

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-- Posted by NCOIC on 1:33 pm on Oct. 24, 2001

Dark Chemtrail Theory concerning current events.....

"Hello Chemtrails group! I believe I have an interesting scenario to paint here. The globalists definetly want DEPOPULATION. That is clear by seeing the murals at Denver Airport at: www.geocities.com... or the Georgia Guidestones. www.radioliberty.com... The Illuminati PLAN also called for hitting U.S. if we didn't give up our GUNS with BIOLOGICALS. Now we have the convenient scapegoat with the Bush Sr. CIA TRAINED Osama Bin Laden and 'terrorism' to cover the hit on our populace. Bush Jr. AND Sr. are members of LUCIFERIAN Skull and Bones from Yale and LUCIFERIAN Bohemian Grove out in CA. www.infowars.com...
Get THIS!! Back in August or so, a movie came on TV called: "WW3" starring Timothy Hutton about BIOLOGICAL WARFARE. Movies have been used for CONDITIONING AND PROPAGANDA for quite some time. This movie CONDITIONS people to accept upcoming biological casualties of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS as was displayed in a 'count' at the bottom of the screen from time-to-time. The movie went out of their way to focus on what they called the 'CARRIER' or powder made to 'carry' the biological to a victim's lungs. The movie portrayed the soviet weapons designer like some kind of damned artist. The movie went out of thier way to 'educate' people that "BIOWEAPONS WOULDN'T DO WELL IN THE RAIN." I found that damned interesting. Then I pondered it a bit.... What I was hearing was clever DISINFORMATION!!! Yes, if the 'carrier' was a powder as the movie suggested, it would be beat down by rain. IF CHEMTRAIL POLYMER LIKE FIBERS ARE THE CARRIER..... RAIN HAS NO EFFECT!!! I've seen these fibers whizzing happily about in rain EVEN HEAVIER than with no rain. www.carnicom.com... I believe the rain in fact brings more of these DOWN! Since they behave like tiny bits of lightweight PLASTIC, the rain does NOT beat them down to the ground. And thus, they'd still happily 'CARRY' any virus, germ or ANTHRAX SPORE into your lungs! Get the picture now? If not, remember that Clifford Carnicom posted PHOTOS of blood cells found attached to these fibers: www.carnicom.com... I believe these 'lightweight' germs were attached to test the DELIVERY SYSTEM on a 'DRY RUN.' We've seen a pause in operations and the past couple days at least here in Indiana it's never been HEAVIER! When people start DYING, it won't be from a stolen CROP DUSTER plane used as an FBI distraction / DIVERSION people! We've had NO ACCOUNTABILITY for WACO, OKC or other government sponsored MURDER. The same SATANIC GOONS are running the show and it's about to get UGLY! I suggest you look behind that curtain and KNOW that Bush SENIOR and his fellow PAEDOPHILE GOON Dick Cheney, Also announced from Bohemian Grove have the demented mindset to PLAY CHRISTIAN while being truly the most EVIL beings on this planet. Check this out. Your LIFE DEPENDS ON IT! Both Bush Sr. and Cheney are prominently documented in a book: "Trance-Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien. See: www.trance-formation.com... While there, click on the tab on the left entitled: "A Most Dangerous Game" to read an excerpt on Cheney. MK-Ultra is one name of many mind control CIA 'technologies.' This involves drugs, torture and RAPE of people, CHILDREN up to 18 months old. Cathy's 7-8 year old daughter Kelly was kept from her for 'REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY' by the state of Tenesee. THIS IS FACT AND VERIFIABLE! This national security excuse is used often to cover up illegality. Other suits against Bush SENIOR for Cocaine activity have been hushed for the same reason. I mention this stuff here so you can know what kind of twisted sick minds are using your PATRIOTISM and piously praying for victims in and incident that they KNOW was STAGED. Many of the school shootings were STAGED using MK-Ultra victims. Most 'programmed' to off themselves when done.

Back to CHEMTRAILS. I diverged a bit just to lay the foundation of the reprobate minds that are now RUNNING THIS COUNTRY. I've been documenting this for some time in daily newsletters at this site: groups.yahoo.com...
There is MUCH RECENT DOCUMENTATION ON HOW THE WTC INCIDENT HAS BEEN STAGED!!

This group seems a bit more open to the truth than some. I hope you'll RESEARCH what I've said her for YOURSELVES rather than taking my word for anything. But for God's sake, don't accept the 'party line' version of what's going on. How many times have you found the media and government LYING? Well, they're STILL LYING! They don't have your interests in mind, only THEIR OWN. CHECK IT OUT!"

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-- Posted by helen on 6:02 pm on Oct. 24, 2001

thanks all for the info first time ive heard of this......pretty scary stuff..........does this sort of thing happen at night?????

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-- Posted by CrashTestDummy on 6:32 pm on Oct. 24, 2001

I think chemtrails - as a whole - are a pathetic hoax. When jet fuel burns, it creates mostly carbon dioxide and water with a few trace elements. As can be witnessed pretty much any day of the year in the sky, water vapor can look and behave in an amazing variety of ways.
The fact that a contrail from a jet dissipates at one altitude much faster than at another is not unusual, as a matter of fact, it's expected.
The conspiracy "evidence" in the first post of this thread is so bad it's laughable.

Major problems:
- it compares anthrax to the Spanish or Honk Kong flu. Anthrax is a bactieria, all varieties of influenza are virusus. As different as carrots and basketballs.
- the writer says "let me tell you about myself" and then does nothing of the sort.
- The end result absolutely pegs the laugh-o-meter. Those interested in "ultimate power" would return a civilization to a park-like setting? Not a chance. The more mechanized and interconnected the society is, the more means to control and exert their power. They wouldn't want a dispersed, disconnected population at all.
"Chemtrails" are simply contrails. Period.

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-- Posted by ZION on 7:01 pm on Oct. 24, 2001



This pic could be a hoax, but I have my doubts,

In the tail of a boeing 747 is the APU,(auxillary power unit) which is a gas-turbine engine.
Used to provide power for the plane while it is on the ground,for (the lights, avionics) and to power up the normal engines.

On the air, the APU is turned off, the normal engines then provide the power for the avionics/lights/hydrolics and stuff like that.

So it's pretty weird to see an APU trail...and no trails behind the other engines....

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-- Posted by CrashTestDummy on 9:24 pm on Oct. 24, 2001

1) do you know that the plane in the picture is a 747?
2) do you know what else could be vented from the center of the plane?
3) do you know this photo is authentic?
4) why are all photos of suspect mysterious things so bad?

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-- Posted by falcon on 9:53 pm on Oct. 24, 2001

the cemtrails are formed about 17000 ft in altitude and a comprized of a number of things one is barim oxide that forms a thick white goom in the sky. Another is fine ground alumin particals electrostacly charged in the atmosphere. That allows for weather modification. The final one that I am aware of is the burceollss bacteria that has the dried blood on it used for 2 things. One is the use of bruceollss to cause cfs and the other is the freeze dried blood found on the fibers that will cause all kinds of other problems. Aside from that that is about all I can prove

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-- Posted by theyre here on 1:49 pm on Oct. 25, 2001

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Quote: from falcon on 9:53 pm on Oct. 24, 2001
Aside from that that is about all I can prove
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How?

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-- Posted by Kano on 1:55 pm on Oct. 25, 2001

and if its a sekrit nwo or govt trick of some sort, why dont they use something that isnt visible.. or do it at night?

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-- Posted by helen on 2:41 am on Oct. 26, 2001

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Quote: from Kano on 1:55 pm on Oct. 25, 2001
and if its a sekrit nwo or govt trick of some sort, why dont they use something that isnt visible.. or do it at night?

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even if it was done at night or any other way im sure SMART PEOPLE like us would know about it.....so they just go ahead and do it right in front of our eyes and they just come up with something as an excuse!!

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-- Posted by ZION on 9:14 am on Oct. 26, 2001

Crashtestdummy;

1)It doesn't matter if it is a 747 or an A340...all large commercial aircraft have an APU in the tail...

2)It's either the APU or a major hydraulic leak...causing the plane to crash....

3)No I don't, but it seems to be real, I can't see anything strange about it.

4)Because they were taken in a hurry, most of the times you don't have time to zoom in perfectly...

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-- Posted by KrazyMatty on 10:04 am on Oct. 26, 2001

Chemtrails ARE real.

Who says they're not being sprayed at night as well as during the day?

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-- Posted by Thomas Crowne on 11:58 am on Oct. 26, 2001

What does the APU have to do with forming a chemtrail? How can you tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail? How is it that thin lines of a substance delivered at 17,000 feet going to depopulate the world? If a went over a city like a farmer plowing a a field, wouldn't the population notice? Around here, we notice when the helicopter training pilots have threir routes changed.
These are the things I'm a little confused about.
As far as Bush and them being Satan and all, I was pretty convinced that Bill and Hillary was going to bring down this nation. There past his full of every crime and sin one would want to imagine. Those two stood DIRECTLY against the bible and the constitution. But America is still here, and most of the world still hates us, so all's still normal. I'm not saying the wholesomeness isn't a ploy. I'm just saying don't set yourself up to feel foolish in a few years.

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 2:46 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Matty why r u so concerned about writing ur congressman?
All thru out history there has been one form of cleansing or another. Chemtrails r not the only method used to hasten that project. Cancer is another method as well. Where r the seeds coming from?

Regarding big brother. Bar codes r used for sending signals to satellites which monitor the population en masse. Who doesn't have a stuffed animal, can of food or other consumer item without a bar code?

I think ur posts may be indicative of boardering on the very extreme level of paranoia. Canada and the U.S. as a vast playground! Only 200 to 300 zoo keepers! A hunting ground for the elite!

Never will happen. I think u r confusing the true definition of elite with the definition usually offered.

There r people who will always survive and even prosper thruout ne and all manmade interferences. These r the elite. Ur next question may very well be. How do I become a part of this new ultra elite?

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 2:53 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Falcon we r lead to believe that the physiology of the human body is a constant or an absolute given. That is one of the biggest untruths circulating. The human body can resist all foreign antigens which may be introduced to it. It can produce it's own antedotes for ne foreign substance viral or otherwise.

This is part of the secret knowledge that has been intentionally obscured from the masses. The human body is much more than it is given credit for. Why do u think so much money, time and energy is put into keeping that knowledge from us?

When u finally learn who ur true father and mother r. Nothing can harm u. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 3:03 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

How.

Knock and it shall be opened. Ask and it shall be given to u. Have faith and believe and all will be granted to u. The clues r everywhere. Wear silence like an amour.

We r the children of a omnipotent intergalactic species. Periodically they come to take those of us who drink from the cup of truth, abundance and love home to them. Enoch was one such harvested. I know I will be harvested too.

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-- Posted by Kano on 3:11 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

erm, regarding barcodes, I helped create the POS program for the place i work at, and i dont remember puttin any satellite uplink code or hardware for that matter in when we were addin the barcode scanner..

and about humans being able to resist all foreign antigens, why do people get sick? i didnt understand that bit, what was with the plague? a big group hallucination?

(and are you serious about all that? or did i just respond to a pisstake?)

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 3:27 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Matty another word if I may. I believe ur r who u say u r. Why all the secrecy? Every1 knows. Absolutely every1 knows. Each and every person knows what's going on. It's regular chit chat over at the coffee machine.

People r saying:

1 person: # I have a rash. Must be those chemtrails again. What a cheezy way to get me to buy ointment.

2nd person: Ya I had a rash last week. Try this ointment it works wonders.

1st person: Thanks. And don't buy a gasmask. What a load of #.

2nd person: No kidding. I've got a prescription for Sal Butamol though.

Ist person: Do u think that'll really work?

2nd person: Daaaaah. Ya. Last time I checked their stock has risen by 10 basis points. Already.

Ist person: 10 basis points!. Do u think we can do the same for Coke and Pepsi.

2nd person: Ya. U do know they're owned by the same people don't u?

1st person: Who doesn't know that?

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 3:35 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Kano ur on a need to know basis. Get used to it.
Secret knowledge still alluding u eh? Don't give up.

The plague. There is a spiritual aspect to all efficacy. Spiritual elements come in both negative and positive waves or tides according to the laws which r triggered. I hope I'm not being too abstract.

Just before the plague thousands of dogs and cats were destroyed. People at the time were told they were the cause of the plague. (I bet ur thinking differently about extinct species)
In truth they were the archetypical juxtaposition for the thousands who eventually succumbed.
If u know how to use it right the mind is a powerful thing.
Still scratchin' ur head? A little research in the right places will aleviate that itch.

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-- Posted by Kano on 3:36 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

come mistah taliban turn ovah bin laaaaden

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-- Posted by CrashTestDummy on 6:25 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

efficacy10 --> if you believe the mind is such a powerful thing, why is it you display so little of that here? You sound like a drugged-out vintage 60's hippie with pie-in-the-sky dreams and no clue whatsoever about the facts of daily life in today's world.

You come across at the same time like a chatroom adolescent who has no clue how to spell, construct full clauses, sentences, paragraphs or any other form of grammar. The net result is that your mind and ideas, no matter how well constructed or organized, come across as well contructed and organized as a dropped bowl of tapioca.

u does not equal you.
ur does not equal you are or you're.
ne does not equal any.

If you are trying to convey ideas, use a form of communication which does not require translation.

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-- Posted by My2cents on 6:44 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

AMEN!!!

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-- Posted by theyre here on 6:56 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Back to chemtrails for a moment...

Here's some questions:

1- What do you believe are the items being chemtrailed into the atmosphere?

2- If the items are biological, how is it surviving the extreme conditions of high altitude?

3- If the items are chemical, why do you believe they are being chemtrailed?

4- If the items are still chemical, how much could possibly hit the ground after being dispersed within the conditions of high altitude?

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-- Posted by My2cents on 7:42 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

These are not chemical agents they are actually Micro Black Operations Commandos (MBOC). They are being parachuted from the civilian aircraft to escape detection. They are specially trained in HALO jumps and equipped with O2. And other high alt gear. The purpose is to infilltrate each humans system and plant a small processing chip and H explosive charge the former for tracking and the latter for, at a future date detonate it and kill the entire population of America.

Sorry couldn't help it!

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 7:58 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Back to work. Sorry. I�m a little late. I took a long lunch break. I had to go to Cosco�s
to pick up a few things. American Express and MasterCard upped my credit limit. Who
am I that God shud be so kind? Cudn�t find Andrea Bocelli�s new CD. I�ve started my
Christmas shopping and I thought his CD wud make an excellent gift. Love Romanza.
Heard u bought his new CD and love it. What�s not to love. EH? He� s gorgeous. I bet
he�s really good with his hands. Catch u later. Some nitwit thinks chemtrails r biochemical
warfare. Can u believe it! Where do they get this stuff?

Matty why do automatically presume the chemtrails contain a toxin. Maybe it�s a fertility cocktail of some sort. It cud be nething. Come to think of it. I�m feelin� pretty fertile. Must be the chemtrails. LOL. :wink:

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-- Posted by efficacy10 on 8:09 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Crash. Whatever!

Oops I did it again. This makes the second mistake I've made in my life. The first mistake was reading Crash's post. U r anal CrashTestDummy.

Second mistake. The last post contained a bit of personal info which I inadvertently included with the post. Please disregard. I called u a nitwit Matty. I sincerely apologize. I don't usually make such faux pas which is more than I can say for CrashTestDummy.

In other words Crash get off my back. Andrea was told he'd never make it as a singer as well. And GUESS what? He's still singing. Signing off for today.

Gonna catch me a couple of z's on my new RALPH LAUREN feather bed. Made for the elite by the elite. U got it CrashTestDummy?

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-- Posted by bush is a grey on 9:21 pm on Oct. 26, 2001

Efficacy, Andrea is not really blind. It's a brilliant marketing ploy designed to increase record sales. Not exactly a mastermind plot and conspiracy, but effective nonetheless.

In the sky over my town RIGHT NOW there's a chemtrail from a high flying plane. I hope you guys are wrong about this toxin stuff... otherwise I'm dead.

I don't know why anyone in the "elite" would want to kill or control all of us anyway... once they Greys get here it wont matter anymore. We're all dead!

Have a nice weekend! :-)

josh (Psst... Bush is a Grey)

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-- Posted by Thomas Crowne on 1:01 am on Oct. 27, 2001

OK, I get it. No answer to my questions. The questions were legit. But since there was no sincere answers, just drug induced psycho-babble, I'll assume the chemtrail is baseless paranoia brought about by people seeing contrails and thinking that somehow bio/chemical agents can be dispersed so thinly and at such an altitude and still do harm.

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-- Posted by NCOIC on 4:30 am on Oct. 27, 2001

Thomas,

All you have to do is go to any search engine, type in "chemtrails", and do your own research. Having done that, you can decide for yourself. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. Instead of whining/complaining that no one answered your questions. If it puts your mind at ease to believe Chemtrails are a BS phenomenon, then great. No one is forcing you to believe, it's up to you to decide.

Here is a great site for you to start your research.....

www.chemtrailcentral.com...

I expect a full report on my desk by Monday. Get to it work young man!

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-- Posted by Thomas Crowne on 8:56 pm on Oct. 27, 2001

NCOIC, I went to a couple and all they wanted to do is spread the myth and not answer questions. I would imagine there would be people here who have read about it and would be willing to pass on info. That being the idea of the board, I thought. Pardon me if I didn't already have your hymnal and was prepared to just sing along to and with the choir.
Now, let me check out the site you have been kind enough to provide me.
You will receive a report before the weekend's end.
WilCo...Out.

Reply on the old board by LostProphet

i just don't get why they would kill us all off. and who exactly is behind it? is it the US government? is it the "shadow government"? or is it aliens? i'm really confused by all this

Reply on the old board by William One Sac

In my opinion, chem trails are just an ongoing over the horizon surveilance technique, that have been in use since the first successful tests in the late 50's. Hopefully they are still not using biohazzardous materials!

Reply on the old board by MobXsiNN

Lost,

Think of it this way. The "shadow government" may have knowledge that the Planet Earth will not survive if it continues on the destructive path it's on (over-population, global warming, pollution, rain-forest depletion, many more ect, ect, ect's). Many scientists would agree with this to some extent.

The only way to possibly save our planet might be massive depopulation. And then strict control of the remaining chosen populous.

Reply on the old board by iluv2act

If that were the case, they'd release some massive epidemic like the guys were trying to do in Rainbow Six.

Reply on the old board by donsjoe

Engineered Diseases

Engineered Biological diseases are in circulation. The world leaders are not implementing programs to protect the masses. A major outbreak will happen.
"World Global Hot Zone.."
Atom Bombs will not destroy civilization
Engineered Biological Diseases can & WILL .
70 Biological agents are in circulation.
Vaccines are a JOKE..
The(NWO) proposed control of any population will FAIL.
People will panic and Revolts will occur unless a pathogen is released that will kill everyone in a week or less.
" Madness in Action."
The NWO better move to the SPACE Station if they plan on Survival??
Then again HIV-AIDS is destroying 34-100 Million people and nothing has stopped the HIV virus.
Blood Treatment is possible to kill HIV-AIDS..
There are ways but the powerful (NWO) wishes not to stop the Pandemic crisis..
Did the USA government engineer aids?, and then release it in Africa?? Dr Graves investigated and supposedily had proof??
American government spent $550 Million on HIV-AIDS Development , Clintion was sued and suit was pending??
Presidential Orders are signed and things go away.
The World is on a spiral to 2012.
Ancients projected END OF TIME??
The ADVANCED Technology is a two sided sword that can cut either way.
Money, Greed and Power Corrupt.
The World Elite will not attain Population Total Control,unless the Masses fall asleep..
The ancients found out the hard way.
Civilization will evolve and start-over.
The NWO will fail & fall away in time "Guaranteed"..
Earth was given for all men to enjoy, not just a few elected elite..
We are not alone, the creator is watching ..
The (NWO) only fears the losses of thier profits,and control.
Nothing new in 2000 years..

Reply on the old board by Joe Hillshoist

When I see what I consider to be a chemtrail it is usually part of unusual air activity.

The trails look different. They hang around for longer have a different dynamic structure and seem to be made of particles in a solid not a gas state. Maybe ice crystals? But then why do they last so long, why do people cough up yellow crap afterward?
Why do they have a similar drift pattern to crop dusting sprays? there are enough differences between ordinary trails and spray lines that they become obvious after a while, but the most telling thing is the way the hang around and spread.

Not everyone who researches this thinks it is a pop reduction program either. But there are so many US military projects involving aerosol activity that perhaps the military is following a differenbt agenda. Atmospheric modification for strategic and tactical purposes come to mind.

Spend some time looking at various military and corporate projects. a corporate example could be a company called Dyn-o-mat. They claim to have weather modification technology that can cause or end drought, stop hurricanes and generally interfere with normal weather processes. I'm sure the deployment of their product woul;d involve spraying from aircraft, and may look something like the trails.

Ps the first time I saw spraying was during a joint US AUS military exercise off the Aus east coast. I would say there is a definite connection between some projected USAF plans from the mid 90's using atmosphere modification to facilitate communication and some of the spraying.

But there are probably other spray projects going on as well. If you dig around the site mark links and the one at pub8.ezboard , and I mean dig, then you may find better answers.

By the way Crash test, get up on your postmodernism, all communication requires translation, regardless of its form, insisting on people following your ideas of how language should be structured is just intellectual fascism.

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Reply on the old board by SimonGray

www.borderlands.com/contrails/contrail.htm

www.chemtrailcentral.com

Reply on the old board by PARANOIDranter

And there are sheeple in every segment of our society, too � including the military community. Do you know how that differs from the �Military Industrial Complex�? General Eisenhower certainly did when he warned us about its self-serving ambition � forty years ago. Got news for you � it�s only gotten worse.

Save your �rational� explanations for your next cocktail party. They don�t substantiate what has been easily visible to anyone who has been paying attention to the sky for the last several years.

You don�t seem to get it. Your backgrounds don�t give you instant insight into everything that is taking place behind the scenes. For military men, it is shameful that you don�t seem to have a clue as to how �compartmentalization� works in an organization (especially the military). When�s the last time you sat down with Colin and had a nice buddy-to-buddy chat, guys...??? Can you say �need to know�...??? I didn�t think so. Can you say �Gulf War Syndrome�...??? I didn�t think so either. And you have the nerve to say you care about your family and friends!!!

Take a good look at the image below. It was taken over Mount Vernon, Washington, last May � long before 9/11. That is not commercial air traffic. And I don�t care if you want to believe it or not. The on-duty officer at NAS Whidbey Island even denied that it was there. I guess that was his nod for everyone to go back to sleep. More like, �Just try calling attention to it.� He cares about family and friends, too � right...???

As I have mentioned before � I have lived in the area for all my life, I grew up in an aircraft industry family, and I have many years in the same myself. In addition, I have been an amateur astronomer since the age of twelve. I see from the ground what you guys don�t seem to think makes any difference. I have never before seen anything like that s*h*i*t below and haven�t since � not to that extent in the Northwest Interior, anyway. By direct observation, it is quite evident that the proliferation of this �sky art� is a function of latitude and, in turn, is predominantly a subfunction of the proximity to population centers.

And don�t try B.S.ing us by saying that that is because there are major airports in metropolitan areas. Airliners do not make high altitude passes over airports before they finally come in for a landing.

Furthermore, if you open your eyes and actually see what�s in front of you, you will notice that these lingering so-called �contrails� are artifacts of water droplet condensation � not of ice crystals.

I know that it�s very difficult � if not impossible � for you �educated� types to face reality with your Newtonian patterns of thought, but the fact is you are not at all credible. You focus on what should be and not what is. For cryin� out loud � even a grizzled old farmer can forecast the weather more acurately than most NOAA and NASA Ph.D.�s simply because they are aware of their surroundings. They don�t have to bury their noses in text books or feed data into a computer in order to recognize when something has fallen outside of established parameters.

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Reply on the old board by Thomas Crowne

PARANOIDranter, another picture of contrail/chemtrails proves nothing. Neither does your stupid manner in which you try to bully someone into believing your nonsensical bullcrap.
I don't give a diddlydamn if you have a Wall-Mart telescope on your back porch, that isn't proving a damned thing about contrails. All that proves is that, once again, you can rant without saying a damned thing. People do that when they have no worthwhile information to offer.
Who do you see as your enemy, huh? Me, because I asked, because I really want to see some decent proof from believers sauch as yourself, other than pictures of trails? Some other guy who has been working in the field for a pretty good while? By the way, did you notice that in this post and the last, I refer to them as con/chemtrails, not closing the door on anything?
You want to throw rocks at those who are educated? Boy, now that is about stupid! Are you saying that those who are ignorant are the ones that hold all the cards? Are you saying that people are suppose to forget what they know about science or what their own personal experience in the aviation industry tells them and just blindly accept your crap as gospel? Then you must think you've stumbled upon the conspiracy version of the Jim Jones church!!
What percentage of wild claims that go across the internet, and yes, this board, would you think is either from junk science, misperception of reality or just a downright hoax?
That picture looks familiar. Are you the photographer? Where was it taken, what time of the year, and what leads you to believe there is anything out of the ordinary in the trails?
What makes you think wild ranters have better inside knowledge of Colin Powell's decisions and orders? What makes you think you can scream at other people with such indignation, and what makes you think you are trustworthy with your baseless assertions, bashing others as you are doing?
Personally, I'd like decent information. Not rehashed pictures of what could be anything or nothing, surrounded by a sprinkling of letters that amount to nothing.

Reply on the old board by Thomas Crowne

PR, I started to edit my last post, but I decided I should let you see how big a sonofabitch I can be. But I want to apologize. You are apparently very sincere in your belief. I didn't feel you were being fair to the one who had aviation experience, and I still don't. But, I do believe you believe what you are saying, and I believe you are seeing this as a threat to the welfare of all of us. I thank you for your honesty and sincerety, although at this time I see no evidence that there is a sinister act being commited against us. I hope you are wrong. I am sure you hope the same thing.

Reply on the old board by Joe Hillshoist

Thomas, I reckon those photos are unlike any contrails I have seen, and I have lived around airports and flight paths all my life.

Anyway I have spent the last hour getting kicked off the Navy research labs sites, trying to find some links to post, so you can check out some of the research being done. Anyway, I couldn't spend m,ore then a minute on there without the computer shutting down.

I am sus on that, but it could just be the dodgy computer I have.

Anyway I suggest checking out the research into Plasma physics, aerosol experiments, and maybe check out Eastlunds website.

If you feel you want to.

There is a document talking about the spraying of aluminium oxide, I think, at renses website. this is a project being pushed by Ed Teller of Manhattan fame.

One of the things that gets me about this is that there is a history of this behaviour that goes back a long way, possibly 50 years, maybe only 49.

I was born during Vietnam, but I have mates who are vets, and they remember the USAF spraying Agent Ogange. It isn't like there is no precedent of this sort of behaviour.

Anyway sorry I couldn't post the links, I'll keep trying to get them in the next while.

Ps I like that quote by A L that you have at the bottom of your posts. Very relevant.

Cheers, Joe.

Reply on the old board by Joe Hillshoist

Even if no toxic bioweapons are being put in the trails, (something that i personally feel is accurate), ANY INCREASE IN THE LEVELS OF PARTICULATE MATTER IN THE ATMOSPHERE IS BAD FOR HUMAN LUNGS.

I didn't mean to capitalise that, but I'll leave it.

Our history is full of things that seemed like a good idea at the time, and ended up being downright foolish or dangerous.

Agent Orange and Thalidomide are two examples that jump to mind.

There is a lot of evidence of the addition of Barium, Magnesium and stuff. I haven't done these experiments personally, so I can't verify them. But if they are credible I would say there is some health risk that would be increased due to the presence of that stuff.

Reply on the old board by Thomas Crowne

Thanks for the leads there, Joe. I'll certainly look for information.
I was born a month before JFK developed an acute case of lead poisoning, so I wasn't old enough to be in Vietnam. But the info on Agent Orange isn't gone with the war. It was nothing more than herbacide; a defoliate. Take away the jungle, and the enemy couldn't hide there. I guess it was no more hateful to the countryside than bombs, but the side effects sure wasn't expected.
I'd say there is a little difference between large cropdusters and this chemtrail thing.
Whatever this is, I am interested in how they are getting the airlines to cooperate. When I went to avionics school, they taught us everything we were to be expected to work on, com systems, nav systems, chemtrailto killamericans systems....no wait, they didn't add that one. My friends at Delta or American have never mentioned any such systems. Of course, there is not a system on an aircraft that the mechanics and avionic techs don't work on. If there was this grand conspiracy, these guys would surely have to be in on it.
None of the military techs I know have ever heard of this stuff. Course, I guess they wouldn't tell, would they? So I can't for the life of me see how this could come together to threaten any mentionable segment of society.
Do I doubt the believability that the government is capable of such a heineous crime, if there was a good enough reason for them to do this? Of course not.
That is why I have bothered asking about this from the ones dead certain that this is going on.
I type too much. I'm outa here.

Reply on the old board by Joe Hillshoist

Something else that popped into my memory about Government crimes, particularly heinous ones.

In the 50s in Australia there was a place called Maralinga. its still there, but it could be called radiation linger now.

The Australian and British governments agreed that testing the effects of radiation on unsuspecting servicem, then refusing to acknowledge it, until most of them were dead of cancers and lymphatic problems, was a fair enough way to go.

I have heard the US government has done the same with islanders in the Pacific and the Aleutian Islands between Alaska and the USSR. That is a crime, perhaps the encouragement that was given to people to go to picnics outside las Vegas during atomic testing in the 50s could also be considered a crime.

I flip between thinking that the spraying is due to a variety of experiments, from anti global warming to storm control a la Dynomat corporation, and some very evil stealth program of dodgy stuff.

the last seems pretty wat out, the first, well it just seems obvious to me that at some point in history massive atnospheric modification attempts will take place.

From what I understand of the adding of various salts to the atmosphere, the conductivity of the atmosphere is changed. This enables energy to be transmitted to the atmosphere, useful for experiments in the use plasma weapons, protection etc etc. these links are available on one of those mil research sites, but they lead to an access denied page.

That doesn't surprise me, why let on that you are doing research into plasma weapons, or if you let it slip, why let the details out? That is the history of military tech and secrecy. And if I was responsible for a nations security I would probably (definitely) take the same attitude.

Agent Orange
Well I agree about the original use for it, tactical defoiliant in mad tropical jungle. But the thing about the (hopefully) unintended consequences is what gets me. There was a pretty obvious connection between exposure and sickness in certain vets and both our governments turned their back on them for so long. That is heinous behaviour.

And dishonourable.

I don't know much about Gulf War Syndrome, but it may be a similar situation.

So I guess if their were important classified operations going on then no one would be prepared to talk about them anyway. And if their is potential harm to citizens involved, whether it is intentional or not it will just make the silence more deafening.

If it is a choice between some citizens getting sick, and the population and the nation being safe, what option will a military person shoose. I'm betting the latter. And that makes them open to manipulation.

I have to say that whether you Thomas, ever become convinced of this is irrelevant. It is nice to talk to someone who is sceptical about the issue in a civil manner, with a bit of mutual respect. Cheers Joe

Reply on the old board by PARANOIDranter

Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977
Names Chemtrails As
An 'Exotic Weapon'
By Lorie Kramer
[email protected]
1-10-2

"After years of denial from government, military, and environmental agencies, the reality of the controversial issue regarding the covert programs known as Chemtrails has been acknowledged.

On October 2, 2001 Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Ohio introduced H. R. 2977 during the 1st Session of the 107th Congress of the United States. The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" seeks to "preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benfit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons."

In the bill Chemtrails are listed as an "exotic weapons system". Ironically in Section 7 - Definitions. The complete text of the bill may be found at Clifford Carnicom's website, "Chemtrail Crimes and Coverup Documented".

The bill also addresses such things as particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation, and mind-control as weapons. All of these areas have been researched and pondered by those investigating chemtrails and working to gain accountability for those programs.

They can't have it both ways. Water vapor is not a weapon.

This is a call to all those of conscience. This is a time when action is needed. It is time. The lies have gone on long enough. We can tell the Air Force and the Navy and the other agencies involved in this criminal activity, "No, You may NOT own the Weather ...Period!" We may not have another chance.

On behalf of the members of Chemtrail Tracking USA, Clifford Carnicom's Board, Chemtrail Central and the many other groups and individuals working diligently to get accountability, we urge your listeners to respond. Contact government and media, demand answers. If not now, when?

We know what we see. We did not consent. We want it stopped."

To see text of HR 2977:
www.carnicom.com/hr2977.htm

Reply on the old board by Grasshopp12

Why this is untrue

OK, there are several things I have noticed that lead me to believe that all of you are being misled. I agree with several other posters who stated that these are merely contrails. Secondly, a laydown of any sort, biological or chemical, is best done on a very still, warm night. The reasons is because most bio agents begin to decompose when exposed to light. A laydown during the day would do this. Not effective use of materials. Secondly, in still air the agent settles, effectively blanketting an area. Thirdly, and finally, the weather should be warm. Most agents decompose in extreme environments (hot or cold). Warm weather is ideal.

Reply on the old board by ALIAS

Assuming they are biological agents. I too have read about particles to feflect sunlight. As to whether these are contrails....Last summer I was having a beer in front of my place with my brother, when a plane flew over. We both saw these "contrails" suddenly start coming from the plane. I don't know what it is but it didn't look natural. My place is in line with a major AFB as well as a decomissioned base that is now used for comercial perposes. The comparison from this one plane to the others that were flying by through out the day is that all the other planes with contrails were at a much greater altitude. This plane was probably around 15k ft. or so.

Reply on the old board by Grasshopp12

Encapsulation

What you said about particles reflecting sunlight is true. The agent is coated in a plastic like substance. This to breaks down in a very short time due to the UV in sunlight. Also, when planes are on final approach, takeoff, or turning, they create contrails. This is probably what you saw at your house.

Reply on the old board by Garatron420

In what may be the first governmental acknowledgement of its kind, a public official from Cleveland, Ohio has referenced "chemtrails" in a bill put before congress. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D) has submitted bill no. HR 2977 IH , which proposes a ban on the weaponization of space. One of the weapons systems listed in the bill is "chemtrails".

The use of this term is significant because until now, all reported governmental inquiries into this issue have been dismissed or denied. Agencies such as the Air Force have routinely called reports of chemtrails "a hoax".

Chemtrails are long, white vapor-like trails released from high altitude aircraft. Unlike normal jet emissions which disappear within a few minutes, or harmless skywriting plumes which dissipate within a short time, chemtrails remain in the air for up to several hours. Frequently, chemtrails are released in grid-like patterns and expand to cover a wide area.

Because no agency has yet claimed responsibility for chemtrails, their purpose and composition remain a mystery. This has prompted a wide range of speculation on their purpose - everything from attempts to mitigate ozone depletion by releasing diffusive components into the atmosphere to weather control experiments.

Chemtrails have been observed with increasing frequency in all areas of the U.S. over the past few years. Rebfile.com has been exclusively reporting on the increasing occurrence of chemtrails over New York City. Hundreds of people across the U.S. have reported sickness after the release of chemtrails and scientists such as Richard Hoagland have expressed concern that chemicals released by jets may be harmful to the environment or humans.

News of the bill spread rapidly over the Internet this week after a concerned resident of Texas found the wording while reading through the bill. Gayle78247, as she is known on the net, quickly posted the news in a Yahoo chemtrail chat room. Gayle became curious about chemtrails after she started to experience intense headaches and jaw pain whenever chemtrails were present in her area.

Perhaps Gayle summed up the thoughts of all those seeking answers. "Having a Congressman present a bill containing the word chemtrails is the most thrilling event that I have experienced since getting involved in the chemtrail issue. Backed with this evidence, we might be able to finally make a difference."

Continuing updates, further information, and photos at www.rebfile.com
"news not covered by mainstream media - updated throughout the day"

Filed by Paul Rebhan
contact: [email protected]
(c)REBFILE 2002
Reproduction of rebfile.com articles and photos is allowed providing that rebfile.com is credited.

Reply on the old board by ultra_phoenix

Ok Grasshopp12

That's why I don't believe in chemtrails.
We are using a chemical detection system.
It's function : Check & monitoring air quality. I have 1 friend who's working with it. I asked him for this problem and also to see internet about chemtrails. He told me that he don't understand what's going on in USA.In belgium, no problems.
No problems in Belgium don't mean no problems in USA, of course.

Reply on the old board by Garatron420

On Feb. 16 in Omaha NE 11:00 am I was running some errands and the sky was clear as a bell, when all of a sudden I notice in the sky at least 50 chemtrails, Huge thick suckers running mainly east to west with a few north to south in a cross hatching pattern, the weird thing is that the only planes in the sky at the moment were leaving small thin chemtrails that dissapated after a minute or so, but these suckers lasted over an hour! Then I went into a store,(bought a new vid card), and when I came out they were all gone, except for the (normal chemtrails). The only thing that I can think of to explain it would be that maybe the atmosphere was rally calm at the time and allowed the chemtrails to hover in a thick mass for a long period of time, then maybe the air mass started moving again, dissapating the chemtrails rapidy. Either that or a secret project being run out of SAC headquarters.(this is where the president hid for a short time on 911)

The town of Espanola Ontario Canada won a court case against the US Airforce and our DND over the fact that THEY WERE SPRAYING toxic substances in the air over the town. The effects were still births in both women and pets and deer, as well as several deaths and grave illnesses in children and the elderly due to 'an unknown lung infection'. You may be able to get the story in the CBC archives. Chemtrails are a matter of Canadian court record, which implies the validity of the testimonies above.
Besides that, I've never seen clouds, or flight paths like the ones in those pictures before. Why deny what is right in front of your face? As to what they contain, I don't know. Maybe the metallic content helps HAARP work better. Maybe it is the HIV virus, which can survive in a crystal form, outside of a host. I do know one thing, if they refuse to tell us what the deal is, it can't be good.

This is the webpage that has all the DISTURBING photos of this NEW Disease.
You have got to see this to believe what's coming out of these people's skin and bodies. Something is going on and it's very, very wrong!!!
Has anyone else seen or heard of this stuff in any other location????

www.morgellons.org...


The Morgellons Filariasis Research Foundation
Researching an unknown skin disease

The Morgellons Filariasis Research Foundation is a nonprofit organization founded for the purpose of funding basic research into the etiology of an increasingly prevalent skin disease of unknown origin. The greatest number of reports of this disease to our foundation, have come from California and Chicago.

This skin disease is believed to be caused by an organism which has been difficult to identify. We are attempting to isolate this organism and determine how it is able to cause the intense itching, stinging and disfiguring skin lesions which are the main symptoms of this disease.

The most striking feature of this disease is the presence of fiber-like objects as well as clear filament-like objects of unknown origin, on or within skin lesions. Many people report that they have observed true movement of the clear filaments. The members of our foundation are clear in their conviction that the clear filaments and various fiber-like objects are the major clues to the cause of this skin disease.

Our foundation realizes that many of the symptoms of this disease are common to other skin conditions, but these symptoms in association with the filaments and fibers, are what we feel constitute the uniqueness of this disease.

The working hypothesis of our foundation is that this disease represents an emerging human filariasis in the U.S. We have contacted the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta to share preliminary information and have offered to assist them in any way possible.

Since human microfilarial infections are uncommon in the U.S., our foundation has many unanswered questions about the source of the disease, if our hypothesis is correct.



What are the additional symptoms and physical findings of this disease?
In addition to the above symptoms, unexplained hairloss is seen in a segment of our members, as well as a hardening or thickening of skin. Many people report lymphedema and fatigue. Objects described as granules are often found associated with skin lesions as well. Several people have had lymph nodes surgically removed due to obstruction.

Some of the symptoms and physical findings of this disease are very unusual and may lead physicians to assume that the patient is misinterpreting their situation. Many adults with the skin symptoms of this disease, have received a diagnosis of Delusional Parasitosis.


Images Above:
Objects emerging from lesion on child's lip at 200x.

Images Above:
Unstained objects seen in blood taken from finger at 2:30 am (200x).

Images Above:
Unstained objects seen in blood taken from finger at 2:30 am (200x).



What is being done about this unknown skin disease?
We are beginning to take a detailed look at the lesions of people with this disease.

The fibers from the lesions are being studied to determine their origin.

Physicians are considering the best way to medically treat people afflicted with this skin disease. Hope is on the horizon.

Although we realize the importance of the scientific discoveries which will enable us to understand the disease process, we believe that educating the public about this disease is a critical step in allowing people to understand what is happening to their bodies.

We want people with this disease to know that they are not imagining their symptoms. The symptoms may not be understood, but they are real.

The Morgellons Research Foundation will support scientists in discovering critical information about the cause, prevention, and treatment of this disease.

Together, we can end the suffering.
Together, we can find the cure.

If you would like to register your symptoms with our foundation, please visit our Registration Page. All information is kept confidential. We, at the MRF, follow the Golden Rule.

Contact us and mail IMAGES to us at [email protected] or fax to (760) 457-3441

Question ?

If someone wanted to depopulate, wouldn't some form of mass sterilization be a little more humain. Further if shadow govrn might offer even voluntary sterilization. Offering cash rewards to volunteer sterilization.

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They're not being used to depopulate, at least not at this point.

I believe contrails are being used to create a cloud cover, for what purpose I do not know. I suspect it has something to do with global warming. Either way, these contrails are unmistakably increasing the amount of cloud cover over our cities.

This article seems a little far fetched, but not totally impossible.

I've speculated that the spraying increases when solar activity increase. About 20 years ago Montreal suffered a mass blackout due to powerful solar flares. In the past few months there has been an increase of solar activity (sun spots).

If we all remember last years black out, our governments do not wish a repeat of this. If the citizen begins top loose faith in the country�s infrastructure they'll definately begin to loose faith in the government. Further the resulting fallout would cause serious damage to the economy. I'd say the elite whom benefit most from the economy would loose billions.

So I'm speculating that there is material in these trails that disperse or absorb UV / electromagnetic energy. This might explain why they spray during the day.

If this is the case I really hope they know what thier doing . A less nafearious concept than depopulation. I hope this theory is true. Or better yet its only CONtrials.



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Originally posted by Opus
Question ?

If someone wanted to depopulate, wouldn't some form of mass sterilization be a little more humain. Further if shadow govrn might offer even voluntary sterilization. Offering cash rewards to volunteer sterilization.

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yeah, I'd think sterilization would be the better route. But, it would certainly gain attention and thus thwart the whole plan.
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can someone take that long ass story and put it into like a few small paragraphs so that someone of my low intelegence can read it without dozing off....

Well. Do you think this is how the NWO will start?
Or is this something else?
It also sounds like a fairly sound way to depopulate the world. Much better than putting people in death camps or bio weapons being dropped on towns or cities which I've heard on other forums. There seems to be alot of evidence of projects the goverment is doing, all we can do is link what we find back here and prey this is'nt true.

Well Simon,

You rarely post, however, this time you dredged up quite a bit I have read about the Illuminati, NWO, whatever wanting to depopulate the planet and turn it into a giant golf course. I believe it, can you blame them.
Who in their right minds wants to see all the suffering of this world? On the other hand I can not condone their methods only their desire.
I consider your hypothesis to be absolutely correct. The method I am not in total agreement with. Although it is extremely possible.
Other indicators would support your theory [for lack of a better word at this time], such as the fantastic amount of underground facilities on the planet. Denver airport for instance. How about all the dead scientists with microbiology expertise. How about GWEN with it's capacity to influence human thought and behavior. Let us not forget HAARP and it's ability to render vast areas dead zones and decontaminate all dead species.
To me it would seem the only item lacking is AI and our scientists are making great progress in this area. After all with the population decimated robotics will be in huge demand. Slave cylinders, like in hydraulic brakes
I suppose y'all want links, maybe tomorrow. In my time zone it is 5 am and I hope I do not see another interesting post.

TUT TUT

Complied list of the 10 most likely theories concerning chemtrails:

1. To mitigate global warming and the rapid collapse of Earth's ecosystems by patching the ozone holes, to increase the planetary albedo, and to shield terrestrial life from the infrared, ultraviolet and cosmic rays from space.

2. For global weather modification to counter the effects of global warming, utilizing synthetic cloud making to control precipitation.

3. For Defense applications: concealment from aerial and satellite observation, to facilitate a new military communications system, to defend against incoming ICBMs (when combined with ELF and EMP waves), to facilitate an advanced military 3D imaging system.

4. As a delivery system for mass immunizations, or genetic modification without the knowledge of the population.

5. In conjunction with HAARP array to sterilize areas contaminated with biotoxins and toxic molds.

6. As a vehicle for mind control transmissions.

7. To shield the U.S. from ELF/Scalar weather control transmissions from Russia and China.

8. To facilitate electromagnetic mind control technologies to subjugate and control human populations physically, mentally and spiritually.

9. As a delivery system to facilitate global population reduction to sustainable levels in accordance with New World Order directives.

10. A combination of the uses listed above, as this technologies applications are quite versatile


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During the 1950s and 1960s the Tripartite countries (US, UK and Canada) carried out numerous disseminations of chemicals from aircraft in order to investigate the Large Area Coverage (LAC) concept of Biological Warfare.
Many US cities were sprayed as was the whole of the UK. By 1961 the UK experiments had proved that one aircraft flight could infect up to 38 million people.

These experiments showed that the aircraft should not fly above a critical height when spraying or the particles would not fall to ground in a manner that would cause infection in the targeted population.

For example, in the 1960s Porton Down sprayed Dorset many times in simulated BW experiments using live bacteria. They managed to contaminate an area greater than 1,000 square miles by spraying bacteria from a ship off the coast. The height of the spraying equipment was only 30 ft.



The above photo shows the Porton equipment that was used to contaminate the south of England with zinc cadmium sulphide in 1961. As you can see, the spraying equipment was mounted on a Land Rover only 6ft above ground height.

IMO Chemtrails appear too high in the atmosphere to be connected with mass immunisation/infection theories.

Does anyone have any idea of the average height of chemtrails?


zero lift

Originally posted by psilocin
Complied list of the 10 most likely theories concerning chemtrails:

1. To mitigate global warming and the rapid collapse of Earth's ecosystems by patching the ozone holes, to increase the planetary albedo, and to shield terrestrial life from the infrared, ultraviolet and cosmic rays from space.

2. For global weather modification to counter the effects of global warming, utilizing synthetic cloud making to control precipitation.

3. For Defense applications: concealment from aerial and satellite observation, to facilitate a new military communications system, to defend against incoming ICBMs (when combined with ELF and EMP waves), to facilitate an advanced military 3D imaging system.

4. As a delivery system for mass immunizations, or genetic modification without the knowledge of the population.

5. In conjunction with HAARP array to sterilize areas contaminated with biotoxins and toxic molds.

6. As a vehicle for mind control transmissions.

7. To shield the U.S. from ELF/Scalar weather control transmissions from Russia and China.

8. To facilitate electromagnetic mind control technologies to subjugate and control human populations physically, mentally and spiritually.

9. As a delivery system to facilitate global population reduction to sustainable levels in accordance with New World Order directives.

10. A combination of the uses listed above, as this technologies applications are quite versatile


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None of which explains why they're only ever seen by people with no meteorological background.........

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by psilocin



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None of which explains why they're only ever seen by people with no meteorological background.........

Well,

Most unusual that you were unable to find articles backed by org's with meteorologic knowledge.

TUT

www.google.com...

www.wmo.ch...



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Originally posted by tututkamen
Most unusual that you were unable to find articles backed by org's with meteorologic knowledge.

www.google.com...

These aren't articles backed by organizations with meteorological knowledge, this is just google results with 'meteorolgical' 'chemtrail' and 'background' somewhere in the webpage, such as

"... across the sky under certain meteorological conditions, creating ... list of web sites
critical of "chemtrails": ... me what might be the background factors underlying ... "

and
"about how such suspicious covert operations like HAARP and Chemtrails may be ... With
that as background, we'll then move into the ... World Meteorological Organization "

And most of the results were just chemtrail webforums.

www.wmo.ch...

This page doesn't even mention chemtrails or contrails.

essan:
None of which explains why they're only ever seen by people with no meteorological background.

Everyone can see contrails, their existence is not disputed. What is disputed is what they are composed of. Meterologists and atmospheric scientists generally state that they are naturally occuring and made up of water particles and such, others think that some are just that, but that others are actually chemicals being sprayed inot the atmosphere.


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What about air shows?

It struck me over the weekend, being at a air show. They openly use trails.
Seems like alot fuel being used to just "show off" the air force.