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Big Brother knows all about my bunion op - and the fish pie I ate after it: How one woman found out

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posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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You see, that is exactly why you and I are like oil and water. And why I care about individual privacy and you don't. Why I don't want George Orwell's NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR in my face every day and you are completely happy with it. Why didn't the current POTUS tap you for a govt job? You'd be perfect.




posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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For those who "don't care", consider this --

The region of the U.S. that I live in has road-toll pay stations, where you must pay a fee to continue driving on the highways. There are toll stations every 7 miles or so. There are also a few (24/7) Booth Attendants for visitors or for out-of state people who haven't yet transferred the registration of their vehicles. They pay cash and drive through.

ALL state residents with a valid driver's license and a vehicle ... everyone must have a 'Transponder' permanently fixed on the front windshield of their car ... which is connected to the State Police computer system. So, it can determine the time it took to drive from one pay-station to the next. The Transponder tracks every movement ... and so one cannot enter or go through the 'pay cash' Attendant Booth. They must go through the pay booth that screens the Transponder, and as they do so it debits their account or charges their account for the toll.

At the end of each month an itemized statement arrives like clockwork. The statement shows the exact day/time, lane number and the pay booth and location. So, a 'care-free who gives a s**t' neighbor, who doesn't care about anything and who sees his private info (wait until he's a victim of identity theft that could've should've (sarcasm) been prevented -- then he'll care) receives a speeding ticket in the mail from the State Police Dept. ... Surprise!!!

Apparently, this Transponder device tracked his time from one road pay-station to the next, and determined he could not have made it that quickly considering the traffic was light and so he was cited for speeding. Now, he cares that his every move is tracked. But, too late, he already voted for the Transponders years ago, along with millions of other people who thought, "so what if they know where I was on the road and what day/time I was there -- I didn't commit a crime and I'm not running from the law -- who cares".

A few weeks ago, I had to go to the emergency room for a cut and since it was the weekend, my Drs office was closed. The ER staff was hesitant to treat me for a simple cut that needed a few stitches, some anti-bacterial cream and bandaging. I was puzzled. Apparently, they reviewed my medical records and had some kind of pow-wow about it while I sat and waited, holding a towel on my bleeding arm. They had noticed that 4 years ago I had breast cancer that was not treated. I had the same full medical coverage back then, as I currently have. When the staff returned with my records and realized I had breast cancer that was never treated, they started an argument with me instead of just giving me the 5-6 stitches in my arm that I really needed before I damn near bleed to death or the cut became infected.

I told them I used an alternative method of treatment for the cancer since it was early stage, even though it was not covered by my insurance and that it wasn't up for discussion and that I did not report to them. One of the male nurses started lecturing me about the dangers of not being treated. I told them I was tested several times and the cancer was gone and there was nothing to treat. End of discussion.

They finally put the stitches in (did a lousy job and now I have scar) and they were so rude that after-wards I just walked out. No ER discharge papers or follow-up instructions as usual, so I just walked out.

Only a decade ago, no one at the ER would have ever known about, or had that kind of access to my complete medical history going back 4-years, and in that kind of detail.

So, the fact that I utilized an alternative treatment that my medical insurance didn't cover and paid out-of-pocket (which was MY decision and none of their damn business) is on my medical record and now the medical staff/community has a grudge against me ... hope I never wind up there unconscious in need of ER treatment.

There are many ways you haven't even thought of that this 'invasion of privacy' can bite you in the ass ... even if you think it never will.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by EvanB
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That is awesome and a good reason to put tape over your webcam!


haha I thought I was the only one that did this.

Glad to know I'm not crazy?



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Yes, welcome to Ninteen Eighty Four AND medical health rationing.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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I'll admit that I don't even have a problem with 1984, if they were defending the rights of the constitution.

The highest rights of constitution are the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Privacy? Not there. It is inferred to certain levels. Not incriminating yourself, etc etc. But the right to privacy has been used in a host of otherwise constitutional no nos, and to me is no more constitutional than the right to ban beer.

Privacy is great where it's needed, like sex life and the lot, and everywhere else obsolete as a mechanism to hide the evils that haunt the nation. So much would be better if the public knew more. I'd be willing to say that non-government private households also deserve privacy, simply because how one raises their family is their right. Hence why I said scales.

But everything else? It's obsolete.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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What makes you think "they" are defending the Constitution? Tell me why "they" can have a 12 member SuperCongress with POTUS as a deciding factor? OK so you defend the govt and corporations rights to collect all sorts of data on your daily activities without your express knowledge or permission, what's to stop them coming into your bedroom? Why is sex the only thing you don't want exposed to the public? Katherine Albrecht did research on actual patents by corporations. One is rfid in your medicine cabinet. So your medicine cabinet tracks what pills you take and how many and then, when your script is finished and alerts your doc about the need to refill. Potential for abuse there if you ask me. Your refridgerator can tell you when to order milk. Potential for abuse there too, when the complete version of Big Brother sets in and besides govt rationing of health care, they can ration your food too. Generally, a lot of these are more for corporate entities who just want to sell you more milk, but it goes both ways.

Now, you said "sex life and the lot". So what does that mean? You just told me that you don't mind the govt and corporations getting in your face about anything except sex. So what is sex life and the lot? Is there more to this statement? Would you mind defining what "the lot" is for me?
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posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Well obviously you don't know how rfid works. It has no power source. And it cannot be altered in its programming because its a solid state hardware. That doesn't prevent some nefarious agent from sneaking into your house and replacing it. But then again, there's nothing preventing him from doing that today. The level of security in either case is indifferent.

Technically the government, this instant, could say the constitution is illegal and do whatever it wants.

laws don't actually exist you see. Just the consensus of the people of what is legal and not.

So that's really all that prevents what you speak of. Consensus. And consensus is that most commoners want their lives to themselves in their houses, but don't much give a damn beyond that. And that they want to know what their politicians and CEOs are up to, and it is their consensus that gives them that right. A little drip of democracy in the republic.Too much, and their consensus could kill people. Too little, and they are sheep.


And additionally, you keep yelling about the selling of this information, but I repeat myself. The hell can you use it for? The only use it has is statistics. Nothing more. What most people do during their days, so they know what type of ads to place where. Beyond this, this information is utterly useless on a persona level. And if they tried anything funny, they're liable to get a rifle in their face.
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posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Intelligence on each and every person of course.

If you are of the mind that there is a plot to form a nwo then you would gather data on everyone to look for threats.

As for rfid, if something can send information, it can also recieve new information
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posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Well obviously you don't know how rfid works. It has no power source. And it cannot be altered in its programming because its a solid state hardware. That doesn't prevent some nefarious agent from sneaking into your house and replacing it. But then again, there's nothing preventing him from doing that today. The level of security in either case is indifferent.

Technically the government, this instant, could say the constitution is illegal and do whatever it wants.

laws don't actually exist you see. Just the consensus of the people of what is legal and not.

So that's really all that prevents what you speak of. Consensus. And consensus is that most commoners want their lives to themselves in their houses, but don't much give a damn beyond that. And that they want to know what their politicians and CEOs are up to, and it is their consensus that gives them that right. A little drip of democracy in the republic.Too much, and their consensus could kill people. Too little, and they are sheep.


And additionally, you keep yelling about the selling of this information, but I repeat myself. The hell can you use it for? The only use it has is statistics. Nothing more. What most people do during their days, so they know what type of ads to place where. Beyond this, this information is utterly useless on a persona level. And if they tried anything funny, they're liable to get a rifle in their face.
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Gorman, yes in fact I do know how rfid works Did you not see that I posted there are actual patents for these things? You are either completely naive or well, I have to bite my tongue to say what I really think here.
The problem is you just don't understand what Totalitarianism is, or you are of the mindset of people who demand to see your papers just because. Know what I mean? The Totalitarian system will affect all of us in ways we do not yet see. I feel sorry for you because your soul is not yet awake and you espouse the very things that are set for certain to imprison us all.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by EvanB
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Intelligence on each and every person of course.

If you are of the mind that there is a plot to form a nwo then you would gather data on everyone to look for threats.

As for rfid, if something can send information, it can also recieve new information
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Yes, for people who say that rfid only contains a small amount of data, a person who carries around a reader can sit in front of you and "read" whats on the chip in your credit card, passport, etc. Some people are such fools.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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RFID alone cannot send information. It needs to be scanned.

And has I said, you cannot actually use that huge sum of information on an individual scale. It's just there, unusable beyond market research.

Furthermore, I will admit what I think. I'm not entirely against totalitarianism applied to constitutional values. You can have it with freedom. Simply apply it to the government alone. The government is striped of all free will and under a direct-management system of totalitarianism against itself. Scapegoat its own sins and its own faults. It;s own weaknesses. The government would be so caught up fighting itself, that the people enjoy freedoms alone.

It's a system that openly invites evil, power hungry, psychopaths, but which is in constant aggression against itself, there is simply no time to bother with the people. If you shut up, accept your complacency, and do your job in the government, you don't get killed. if you seek more and more power, others within will move against you and fight you. It's a self-consuming, self predatory government that seeks to destroy itself, but never can because capitalism drives people to the top.

Essentially it's a combination of Tesla's ideology of war and nations, applied to National Socialism and the constitution. Though this system world work far better on a global scale with armies, rather than a political scale. Simply put, stable men get along, aggressive men get shot bu the stable men.
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posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Consumer watchdog group CASPIAN is demanding a recall of millions of RFID-equipped contactless credit cards in light of serious security flaws reported today in the New York Times. The paper reports that a team of security researchers has found that virtually every one of these cards tested is vulnerable to unauthorized charges and puts consumers at risk for identity theft.
Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) is a controversial technology that uses tiny microchips to transmit information at a distance. These RFID microchips have earned the nickname "spychips" because the data they contain can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves without an individual's knowledge or consent. The technology has long been the target of criticism by privacy and civil liberties groups.

Researchers are showing how a thief could skim information from the cards right through purses, backpacks and wallets. This information includes the cardholder's name, credit card number, expiration date and other data that would be sufficient to make unauthorized purchases. They say the information could even be used to identify and track people, a scenario Albrecht and co-author Liz McIntyre lay out in their book, "Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track Your Every Purchase and Watch Your Every Move."




www.spychips.com...



Outside the realm of retail merchandise, RFID tags are tracking vehicles, airline passengers, Alzheimer's patients and pets. Soon, they may even track your preference for chunky or creamy peanut butter. Some critics say RFID technology is becoming too much a part of our lives -- that is, if we're even aware of all the parts of our lives that it affects.


electronics.howstuffworks.com...
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posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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This is much bigger than psych 101 - and not at all about individuals v/s individuals, although the manipulations and spin make it look like that's what's going on..

May I suggest you read Welcome to World War III?

The premise is that World War III is already underway - it's a war between the richest one-tenth of one percent of the global population and 99.9 percent of humanity.



Analysis of Financial Terrorism in America: Over 1 Million Deaths Annually, 62 Million People With Zero Net Worth, As the Economic Elite Make Off With $46 Trillion

…Despite increasing personal financial hardship, most Americans remain unaware of the economic world war currently unfolding. An all-pervasive corporate and government propaganda campaign has effectively obscured this blatant reality. After extensive analysis, it is evident that World War III is a war between the richest one-tenth of one percent of the global population and 99.9 percent of humanity. Or, as I have called it, The Economic Elite Vs. The People. This war has been a one-sided attack thus far. However, as we have seen throughout the world in recent months, the people are beginning to fight back. …

Within the United States, the technocratic suppression of the population has been extensive. Increasingly severe economic and governmental policies have systematically eroded civilian wealth, power and rights. Intensive propaganda has effectively distracted, confused, isolated, marginalized and divided the US population. Despite the success of these efforts thus far, given the severe, prolonged, unsustainable and escalating level of economic suffering, outbreaks of civil unrest are inevitable. The US population, if a critical mass is reached, represents the greatest threat to the Economic Elite. In this regard, the American people are their primary adversary.


GREAT article, well worth reading - and the book it's based on sounds like a must-read too: "The Road Through 2012: Revolution or World War III" by David DeGraw.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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There is no Constitution in regards to Totalitarianism. Are you that.....arrrgh bite tongue again.....



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Sigh, not that silly old Communist manifesto stuff again. What failed before, as it will again today, is that poor won't fight just because they have no money and their masters do. The only time that ever worked was in the dark ages, when their masters more than gave them money. They also gave them food, protection, rights, etc etc. Not done, then they rebelled.

That's why that old communist wet dream is impractical. The richest are the richest. And thus the scorn of the world. No one will fight for them. Sooner will the poor universally abandon money than follow them. It happened in the Dark ages, you know. Why do you think the church was more concern with keeping kings under their belt than peasants?


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The constitution is a living document and the supreme law of the land. Sounds like totalitarianism to me. Not all totalitarianism wears a square mustache and kills Jews.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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Not communist you silly! Anti-corporate! ...with a bit of anarchy, libertarianism and okay yeah, a tiny pinch of self-transcendent altruistic socialism thrown in for good measure. [I'm a new breed.]




posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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Well I'm more or less national socialist applied to constitution and the republic. That doesn't make me a Nazi nor a any of those fascist loosers. It means I support the government's direct management of CEOs in order to place skilled qualified men in charge, rather than simply by birthright or ability to manipulate. This insures a CEO always serves for the government's wealth and gain, to support public financing and infrastructural advancements. And of course, the quick execution of those who steal or corrupt for personal gain.

I don't like communism, because it denies capitalism in the nature of man. I don't like pure liberalism, I'm a libertarian moreover than anything else.

New breed this or that, it's the same bucket of bull. Oh look, a rich guy, he must have stolen that money. Kill hem. It is possible for a very good person to acquire a very large sum of wealth through his own legal actions, or simple from inheritance. It does not make him a criminal.... It makes him a republican. JK. It's too late, needed a joke in there.

But point is, rich people are not criminals. Of course, if they did steal it, then you hang them up to dry in the public square and redistribute their wealth to the public works, and take their designs and patents and sell them to the highest bidder. It's only fair.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by Pervius
That's not the half of it.


Today they can use the wifi connection on her laptop as radar and detect when she comes home, how many people are in her home...the dimensions of the room the laptop is in....

Her cars computer stores her speed, driving time.....newer cars even have little cellphones in their computers to relay information back to someone and triangulate your current position.

Maybe her computer's manufacturer is having a bum year....they can remotely disable her computer to make her buy a new one...

Maybe her car manufacturer needs some money so thru the cars computer they disable a sensor on the transmission so she has to take it to the dealership and fork out 300 quid for a new part...that the car never even needed.

That's where technology is at right now.


That post is so technically incorrect it's funny


I suggest you read;

Wi-Fi

Mobile phone tracking

Radar
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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A tip for those paranoid:

Don't use mobile phones

Don't own a bank account

Don't visit this website or use the Internet at all

Wear an invisibility cloak



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 04:26 AM
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This stuff is certainly being used for marketing purposes, in criminal investigations and by criminals and thieves, but I don´t think the government is somehow collating it to track each and every individual. The amount of data is simply so vast, so astronomical that I don´t see it as practical.




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