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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by JennaDarling
The fact you have to ask shows you don't fully understand how Parliament is supposed to work.
MP's are freely able to cross the floor, as much as they like, without fear of being reprimanded. It is merely showing their support the Government.
However, if they did this while a member of a party, which is outside the Parliamentary system, they would have the whip removed and the support of the party would be lost, compromising their selection at the next election. Add that to the fact that if they then stood at the next election as an independant, even if they were the best MP that area had ever, people would then vote in their parties new candidate because people vote along party lines, contrary to how it supposed to be!
The party system is wholly seperate from parliament. Consider it like a parasite that has take over the host.
As for the system in NI, that was put in place because if they didn't then the Unionists would run the show, like they did before in the last home rule scenario and the Republicans would get pissy about when they realise they don't have as much support, leading to a collapse of the pease process. That is why they are all made to work together and share power as it is the only way to keep the Republican minority from throwing a fit and killing people.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by JennaDarling
The House of Lords doesn't have a single hereditary Peer, so it isn't anything to do with the aristocracy.
And in a few years time, they will be elected members. Keep up to date on parliamentary business and you'd know this.
Originally posted by JennaDarling
yes the party system is seperate from parliament, but sure the party has a LOT of control over an MP, go ask any MP.
Originally posted by JennaDarling
peace process, come on, we all know the MLA's in Northern Ireland have paramilitary connections and still use it.
Go talk to people in Northern Ireland affected. Don't delude yourself that there is peace, unless peace means "no bombs in london". Companies flooding to Northern Ireland does not mean pace, all that means is they get large tax breaks as an encouragement.
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by JennaDarling
yes the party system is seperate from parliament, but sure the party has a LOT of control over an MP, go ask any MP.
Yup and that is pretty much what I have been saying. If people didn't vote along party lines and voted for the best candidate, not the candiate of the party they have always voted for, then Parliament would work better.
Originally posted by JennaDarling
peace process, come on, we all know the MLA's in Northern Ireland have paramilitary connections and still use it.
Go talk to people in Northern Ireland affected. Don't delude yourself that there is peace, unless peace means "no bombs in london". Companies flooding to Northern Ireland does not mean pace, all that means is they get large tax breaks as an encouragement.
I've had the pleasure of actually living in Belfast and it is damned site better these days than the 80's when I lived there. Regardless fo you're opinion, the rest of the country regards the situation now as a whole lot better than before. That said, given the way you have talked before, I get the impression you're of a republican bent so would have a skewed view of things.
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Misoir and EvanB.
Two interesting and vocal individuals for sure.
Nigel Farage...I think i would like him as a Foreign Minister.
He recently suggested putting the Military on the streets of London during these "Riots/Looting" , which suggests to me he is a bit too authoritarian.
That would exclude him from the Home Office and Prime Ministerial roles imho.
Minister of Defence would suit him as you could say he is already defending the UK from the Europeans.
He would appear to be very passionate about the Sovereignty of the UK and i'm sure that is a quality we could utilize.
George Galloway..Now i think George would actually make a great Home Office Minister/Secretary of State and a great Foreign Minister.
I think he is opposed to a UK nuclear deterrent and has rather radical views on how our Armed forces are deployed, the role of Defence Minister could be um.....interesting.
I am not sure what kind of Prime Minister he would be, will he be pragmatic or idealistic ??
Still no UK Ron Paul as yet, but there are a couple of people as mentioned by another poster who are presently kinda under the Radar, but who may in a short while emerge into the mainstream.
We do have a Constitution/Magna Carta and a Bill of Rights 1689 and Common Law, but we are yet to witness a representative personality such as Ron Paul is for Constitutionalist's in the US.
Now that peoples trust in Party politics has finally collapsed, there is a growing awareness that it is we the people who need to organize ourselves and to lead ourselves rather than to entrust our future with "Professional Politicians" who have been clinically diagnosed as Sociopaths.
Once we achieve true independence from the false Political Ideology we can then move onto the Psychopaths who control the Sociopaths...........perhaps another thread there...Who are the top ten Business/Financial Psychopaths?
Cosmic...
Originally posted by Misoir
The UK version of Ron Paul is a pretty good guy, Nigel Farage. He is a member of European Parliament from the United Kingdom Independence Party. I have watched some of his speeches and he is pretty good.
Originally posted by sensairich
roger hayes of the BRITISH CONSTITUTION GROUP this movement will get big but like most things its about getting people to see the illusion for what it really is, check out there site also look at LAWFULL REBELLION because anything has got to be better than what we have got in government now
Originally posted by JennaDarling
hahah wrong
Actually if you look with open eyes you will see the republican areas get all the funding for schools and more. The deprived areas are actually unionist, look at all the school funding for new schools, all republican, and oh look a small barn for unionist areas.
Originally posted by JennaDarling
So you want to leave Europe?
Ok, tell all those British people working abroad to quit or be fired and deported.
tell all those with properties in Turkey and Spain to sell them and leave?
Originally posted by JennaDarling
All those human rights directives should be revoked from the UK? After all it was Europe that enforced various rights that the UK government denied the people.
Originally posted by JennaDarling
Want to go on holiday to Spain or Turkey? No problem, Stand in line for 2 more hours, no more just waving your passport, you can get extra treatment, in that Non EU line over there.
Originally posted by JennaDarling
Oh you purchased alchocol and cigerettes outside the UK eh.. no problem, you can pay us that extra tax now
Originally posted by JennaDarling
Ooh got a job outside the UK, no problem... fill in all this paper work, here is some hoops to jump through.. Oh, not european, hmmm gee i dono, that will cost more to employ you with the extra paperwork and permits. what?!! you dont have a permit? Well, have fun.
British business should just shut up shop, and fire their staff, after all they cannot afford to export to Europe now, exporting to the Eurozone will cost more, make them uncompetitive with all those tarifs.
Uk leaving Europe will fail.
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
George Galloway..Now i think George would actually make a great Home Office Minister/Secretary of State and a great Foreign Minister.
When it comes to the banking system The Green Party believe the government has acted completely irresponsibly. They have forced us, the tax-payer, to bail out the bankers. Yet they have failed to ensure that the same banks give desperately needed credit to families and independent businesses. We will fight for a fair financial deal, with community banks, credit unions and mutuals. This will ensure those who need financial help are given realistic loans, so they can survive the current economic hardship that we are facing today. We also believe it’s unfair that these irresponsible bankers continue to earn extortionate salaries and bonuses, while 330,000 hard working people still earn less than the low minimum wage. Which is why we will fight to introduce a High Pay Commission to ensure bankers and other highly paid executives in the private and public sectors are not rewarded for their failure.
Right now unemployment is skyrocketing and the government is doing little about it. Our policy is to fight for a fair, stable and sustainable economy. Top bankers continue to pocket your money in the form of unearned bonuses, while factories, firms and farms are forced to lay off more and more workers by the day, week and month. This must end. Our major and immediate priority is the creation of an extra million jobs and training places. An immediate £44bn package of measures would include workforce training, investment in renewables, public transport, insulation, social housing and waste management. These jobs will provide our country with the vital 21st century infrastructure it needs, including an efficient public transport system, homes that are warm and cheaper to run and much lower energy costs for businesses. The gap between rich and poor in the UK has never been wider and it continues to get worse. We think it's unfair that the Government has failed to do anything about it. We are demanding the introduction of a 'Living Wage'. This will help ensure low paid workers earn enough to provide for themselves and their families and eradicate poverty in Britain for good. The Green Party will fight for a National Minimum Wage of 60% of net national average earnings (currently this would mean a minimum wage of £8.10 per hour). We will also fight for a fair financial deal with community banks, credit unions and mutuals to provide realistic loans to families and small businesses.
Complete withdrawal of US military forces and mercenaries, under safe conditions and UN supervision.
Belgium has now gone for more than a year without a government and, you know what? Life is carrying on as normal. The crops are growing, the wheels are turning in the factories, the civil servants (there are lots of these) are lingering over their coffee and speculoos biscuits. A lighter than normal legislative agenda has given the country something of a boost: growth forecasts keep being upwardly revised, and the economy is expected to expand by 2.3 per cent this year
Originally posted by JustMeLiverpool
TONY BENN was without doubt the greatest
Prime Minister Britain NEVER had.
Britain trading in the EU yes.
EU interfering in British sovereign matters NO.
Originally posted by dizzylizzy
reply to post by stumason
There are still ninety two hereditary peers in the Lords. Many peers have no political alliegance, when the is an elected second chamber all it will give us is same old same.
Whoever we elect be they left ,right greens, UKIP,Independants etc are in it for one thing, their own idealogy
Belgium seems to be doing very well without a government.
From the Telegraph
Belgium has now gone for more than a year without a government and, you know what? Life is carrying on as normal. The crops are growing, the wheels are turning in the factories, the civil servants (there are lots of these) are lingering over their coffee and speculoos biscuits. A lighter than normal legislative agenda has given the country something of a boost: growth forecasts keep being upwardly revised, and the economy is expected to expand by 2.3 per cent this year
Telegraph Link
What other country in the EU or the one across the pond expects 2.3% growth this year?