Quick question for UK members, Who will be the UK's Ron Paul ?, page 1


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reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 04:17 PM by stumason
Originally posted by Firefly_
Well, calling Belgium a non-country does little to boost his credibility, but otherwise he speaks the truth, and he even got an applause. I'm surprised he's not suffered a heart attack or committed suicide yet. We need more people like him in politics, who tell it as it is.


He did have an air crash a few months ago..... But the guy is a pillock. Nothing of any substance apart from a dislike of the EU, ironic considering his only platform is being an MEP.

And Belgium isn't a real country.. It's two mashed together and hasn't had a functioning Government in about 2 years because of ethnic splits.

reply to post by Cobaltic1978


Personally, i think the English Democrats are more "for the people" than most, but you seem to think that a party that thinks about doing right by business is a bad thing. Business provides jobs, punish business with taxes or legislation and business buggers off to China or India, leaving Uk peeps on the dole.

That said, parliament is not supposed to be about Parties.

Political parties are not recognised by Parliament, but convention of the way things have been done for 200 years has led to the formation of a party political system. Every MP is supposed to represent their constituency and not be tied to a aprty, which is why you vote for a candidate and not the party itself, but the voters are to blame here for not actually following that premise and vote themselves along party lines, sometimes blindly because "that's what they have always done".

Take certain former industrial area's, most people will vote Labour (not for their candidate) because they always have, their parents always did and their grandparents always did.

The short of it is that we are to blame for the state of our politics more so than the polticians themselves. If people actually bothered to vote and when they did, voted properly, then we would have a representative Government.


reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 04:33 PM by Cobaltic1978
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I understand what you are saying Stu, but the way people vote will never change as long as the sheeple are suckered in by these parties, English Democrats included (no offence).

I also appreciate business is important and I am not saying that we should tax them out of the country.However, I believe there should be a fair balance and at this moment in time there isn't any. How many BIG corporations pay their fair share? Okay we have seen one off tax payments on some of the corporations at the beginning of a new Government, Labour taxed the likes of B.P and the Con/Lib Government have applied a tax on bankers bonuses as a one off. But this comes at a price to us all. Take B.P for example. A one off tax windfall and then we sidled up to the likes of Gadaffi in order to pave the way for lucrative contracts for B.P in Libya. Now the City is being protected by this Government.

It urks me to distarction that we have been led into an economic nightmare by these people, yet they are still being protected. I hear that they would take their business to Frankfurt or even China if we penalised them. I say good riddance to bad rubbish, let those centres take care of them and let those centres suffer what we are currently suffering.


reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 04:51 PM by stumason
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I would agree with letting those finacial houses "flee" to other countries, if it wasn't for the fact that for the past 10 years, our entire economy has been based upon the success of those companies. If we let them jump ship now, our economy would sink beyond belief. An economic rebalancing is necessary and is partly underway, manufacturing has done pretty well over the past year, although output fell in the last quarter, which isn't surprising given the recent economic problems globally.

As for the political party problem, one can say "as long as the sheeple aren't suckered in", but the problem is, the "sheeple will always be suckered in". I hate to say it, but the country (and the world) is largely populated by people who are quite frankly idiots and will happily defer personal responsibility or interest for the sake of letting someone else take care of it, as long as they have the "mojo" or charisma to convince people of such, take Blair or Cameron for example.

I think in order to have a much more engaging system, we need to teach citizenship and politics to children from a young age, so when they come to be voting adults they are able to understand what is going on and decide in a proper manner. At the moment, people reach voting age with little knowledge of how the system works and therefore enable the problems to persist.

In my opinion, the system itself is perfectly fine, it's how we use it that is the problem. Consider that the biggest election in a decade was held last year, in the middle of the biggest financial crisis the world has seen in almost a century and only 60% of people voted. Previous elections have seen an even lower turnout. Yet people will still complain when almost half didn't even bother to vote and those that did probably voted along the same lines they always did.


reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 04:54 PM by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by JennaDarling


Yes, but let's not be too harsh on them. It's what they are taught in school. Anything outside of the U.S is insignificant.


reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 04:55 PM by JennaDarling
Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by JennaDarling


Yes, but let's not be too harsh on them. It's what they are taught in school. Anything outside of the U.S is insignificant.


hehe as other posts stated in other threads,, anything further east than New Hampshire does not exist
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