Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by nastyj
I am glad we can agree that the "grey" aliens are malevolent spiritual beings, and not actually spacemen from other planets. It is interesting to
hear your beliefs on this subject, i actually did quite abit of research into islam before i became a follower of Christ, i know there are some
similarity between both faiths.
I just have to ask though, because i cannot help but see some flaws in your belief, like you say satan is not a fallen angel but you also say Djinn's
are the equivalent to demons how can that be so?
When we earthlings have got free will, how come the angels will be denied free will? I am confused.
I see nothing in scripture saying so.
edit on 13-8-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
Hi man, thanks for reading my long post, and let me apologise for the grammar and spellin mistakes etc. I can choose to write really formal with big
words etc.. but theres no point. I dont like the fact people on here seem to compete with eachother on how intellectual they can make their comments
appear to increase their status quo lol. If its readable and can be explained in the simplest way that is the best way to go about it.
For example religion, divine books, they were all revealed to the WHOLE of mankind, be they smart or dumb, of all backgrounds and social levels.. Gods
word has been written like this so everyone can easily learn from it. He could easily have predicted everything and made things as complex as possible
but whats the use of that? We will ened to decipher it etc etc.. but even then today we still find new meaning and hidden codes etc in them..
Sorry that was offtopic but yeah to get back to your points..
You asked 'satan is not a fallen angel but you also say Djinn's are the equivalent to demons how can that be so?'
Im not sure i understand you there mate, i think its quite clear, but ill try to elaborate..
Satan is a djinn/demon/alien In the Djinn species in Islam we believe there are numberous races within the Djinn world, each have different properties
etc.. no point going too much into that you can research that easily..
Before the Rebellion Earth was populated by numerous Djinn, im not sure how it all fits in exactly and how the story goes but the majority of them
were destroyed by God due to some problem or the other i forgot :/
But yeah Satan was one of the few remaining, he was the musician in heaven, (hence how music is one of the best forms of sin and indoctrination right
now) he disobeyed God, didnt prostrate to Adam as God commanded and so was banished, he was asked for one wish to be able to subvert humanity and lead
them astray from Allah if he could.. Since God being as merciful as he is and the Master of Schemers, he granted him this one wish as Lucifer had once
been a loyal servant to God. This leads to the whole scheme or test being implemented for mankidn as God intended... Infact we believe that Satan
himself is not even the worst person ever.. since he did at least believe in the One God and he merely just tried manipulating people etc.. We believe
that when Satan is punished he will not be the ones in the lowest hells, as there are far far more dudes who are way more evil than him who ahve no
belief in Gods omniscience that might have sinned more that Lucifer himself inlcuding man and djinn alike..
But i digress, yeah so it would be WAY more logical for him to be a Demon etc.. also when he tempted eve, he came as a serpent, we belivev djinns
shapeshift into serpents... aka all that talk of reptilian aliens.. mabe draconians? the elite of the djinn world?? not sure.. but anyway yeah you see
the direction of modern day symbolism IDOLISES dragons reptiles lizards snakes.. its everywhre... they are attirbuted to demons are they not?? that is
further evidence to show Satan is a djinn etc..
The reason why in Biblican scripture he is called a fallen angel.. is in my opinion to give him more status.. as angels belong only in the kingdom of
God.. Lucifer means bearer of light.. well we believe only God and his Angels are made of light.. so djinns do not fit this.. this gives satan more
rank when in fact he is not. The bible has a lot of symbolism and stuff pointing towards Sun worship> fire worship.. Lucifer bearer of light ties with
Prometheus etc who bought the light from the heaven to mankind.. In the bible there are too many links to paganism that is contradicts other
monotheistic aspects eg.. Jesus worshipped the One God and said all worpship belong to him... yet in the New testaments the trinity comes about, and
the trinity is used way too much in pagan circles i think it relates to Nimrod, and 2 other guys i cant seem to remember atm.. Basically From the Old
testament to the New, it goes from monotheistic tendencies to Polytheistic.. and then all this Jesus dying and rebrith is totally pagan.. If you were
to do research in pagan beliefs you wll see how self deification, immortality, self deification, sacrifice is totally pagan doctrines inside out...
Think about it this way.. Bible was passed down and altered by the hands of men, at those times it was the polytheistic Romans who were the
superpower.. it is only natural they would use Christianity to further their aims as another form of indoctrination in infiltration..
Sorry if im offending you dude, i dont mean to... infact Islam has been infiltrated by pagan and esoteric doctrins hardcore aswell. The Shia sect
deify the Imaams, as do numerous other sects, which lead down to pagan roots.. The cross is a pagan symbol, as is the moon and star.. that is why in
Islam we belive it has no symbol to it.. We believe Jesus(pbuh) will come and take down all the crosses and establish pure monotheistic fatih..
Please do not think im trying to promote Islam, im not, in the other sects of islam like i said are totally erroneous and go against the teaching of
the Quran and Sunnah.. All out prophets taught monotheism only.. it is when pagan influences come in is where all these partnerships to God come in..
thats why 'One God' is highly stressed in monotheistic teaching and the Quran.
With the Quran that is the only unaltered book left.. as it was memorised and passed on, the hadith have been passed on from generation upon
generation too.. So the Sunnah and Quran cannot be infiltrated as was the case with previous books.
Sorry might have goe off topic again.. As for the part where Angels and free will. We believe they do not have free will, and strictly follow the
precise commands of Allah.. why? because if they had free will everything would be a mess... It would make no sense whatsoever.. Allah uses the angles
to carry out all his tasks if hes not doing it himself that is.. They are more numerous than any djinn or man ever been around and help control the
functions of every aspect of life as directed by God. eg. for every raindrop there is a angel bringing it down..
Think about it logically what makes more sense? If angels had free will why arent they getting involved all the time with our activities as Demons
Its only the djinn worl and Us that have free will ad logically it makes sense that way..
If you want me to elaborate further ask me and i will try bro