Challenge: Name a Single Law That Has Solved A Problem

Originally posted by The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Theorytripper

 

but, but .. what ever happened to the best 'code' of all ???
Do unto others ... blah, blah, blah ??
something tells me that laws were created to abolish common sense.

Well, more likely to reinforce common sense.
Jails are full of scum that lack common sense...

not sure i follow your point ...
government is full of scum that lack common sense
pubic at large is full of scum that lack common sense
religious groups are full of scum that lack common sense
politics are full of scum that lack common sense
neighborhoods are full of scum that lack common sense
separatists are full of scum that lack common sense
really, pick a group, any group and you'll find an abundance of full of scum that lack common sense
point is, that's all via your perception or mine or the next guys or some other perfectly fallible human.

but, what happens when 'your perception' changes?
we all grow and as we grow older, perceptions change.
hopefully, you have moved past childhood superstitions, teen peer pressure, new parenthood or any number of life's milestones that tend to change our perceptions.

So, as we change, how does a 'standard' fit in?
give me a few minutes and i'll post a humorous comparison of what changes have occurred in my few years. tis hard to believe that these freedoms are gone (just in my lifetime)

btw, USA jails are well supplied with totally innocent people too ... feel free to check the stats on that.

reply to post by The Ghost Who Walks

found it ... here ya go ... classic examples of how 'perceptions' change society & freedoms

HIGH SCHOOL
1957 vs. 2010

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2010 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Buster and Dale get into a fist fight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Buster wins. Buster and Dale shake hands and end up buddies.
2010 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Buster and Dale. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Buster started it.

Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2010 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school...

1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock
2010 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2010 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist ... ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.

1957 - Ants die.
2010 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary.
Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy...

so there you have it ... these are not exaggerations, ask anyone who lived it yet we don't enjoy the same or greater freedoms today? why ??
and i thought this was America.

reply to post by 547000


There are plenty of examples of slavery in the US. people trafficing, forced prostitution being 2 good examples.

same here in the UK

reply to post by Honor93


First, having a code of law has little to do with government and more to do with society. Even if you have a group of 20 people on a deserted island, they all have to agree on what is exceptible behavior. That agreement is the code of law. They can't just assume everyone feels the same way about theft, murder, or fraud. They need to discuss and come to a concencus.

Second, a code of law does not imply a perfect society or even a perfect code or implementation of that code. That is why a law to some degree must be fluid. As society changes, so must some aspects of the code. The fact that prisons ar full of people who break the law, only reinforces the need for it, and just because there are innocent people imprisoned doesn't mean the law is flawed. It means our system of inforceing the law is flawed.

Regardless of what you think of government and how far of a reach it should or shouldn't have. We can't have any kind of social structure until we all at least know what we agree is good conduct, that agreement is a code of law.

this is one of those mental masturbation threads.

"Law ______ has solved the problem of _______ ; therefore, that problem no longer exists."

breakdown:

laws don't solve anything. laws are there to try and prevent crime from happening, and punish those who commit it, but they can't solve any problems. you're trying to say laws don't solve anything; therefore laws are useless. when in reality, laws can't solve the human condition, no matter how perfectly worded it is or brutally you enforce them. a law can only try to prevent crime, and dually serves to protect (victims) and punish (criminals) those involved.

your challenge isn't a challenge, it's just your ego looking for compliments to a poorly crafted see-what-you-want challenge.

also "Law 11:00 curfew has solved the problem of my son being out past 11:00 on tuesday night because a cop picked him up and drove him home ; therefore, that problem [my son being out later than 11:00 that tuesday night, which 11:00 is also his personal curfew] no longer exists."

ughhh dat was tufff. problem solved, my kid came home. will that law (or any law) make all crime dissapear? haha, nope, but that doesn't make you right about anything either.

reply to post by buster2010

I haven't seen any slaves being sold. So you could say the emancipation proclamation solved the problem of slavery.

GEE, I thought that was what Headhunters were for. Selling wage slaves.

The even make us pee in a bottle whether we want to or not.

reply to post by 547000

Outlawing slavery has solved the problem; therefore slavery isn't a problem anymore in the US.

Unfortunately not so.

.....On November 20th, according to court documents filed last week, three tomato pickers made their way to the Collier County Sheriff’s office after having escaped two days earlier through the ventilation hatch of a box truck where they had been held against their will by their employer. The three men told police of an Immokalee-based tomato harvesting slavery ring in which workers “were beaten and forced to work exclusively for the Navarrete family,” according to an article entitled, “Family accused of enslaving workers at Immokalee camp” in the Naples Daily News (12/7/07)...... weap.org...

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency estimates that 50,000 people are trafficked into or transited through the U.S.A. annually as sex slaves, domestics, garment, and agricultural slaves.

The United States is a destination country for thousands of men, women, and children trafficked largely from Mexico and East Asia, as well as countries in South Asia, Central America, Africa, and Europe, for the purposes of sexual and labor exploitation. Three-quarters of all foreign adult victims identified during the Fiscal Year (FY) 2008 were victims of trafficking for forced labor..... gvnet.com...

reply to post by VintageEnvy

The law that allows you an attorney even if you cannot afford one. We have zero defendants being put on trial without counsel now unless they want to rep themselves which is also their right.

Completely solved the problem of the 'accused' not being able to have the assistance of counsel for their defense.

What about all the "LAWS" about licensing, pemits and regulations where your rights to do something on you own property are infringed but you never even get a chance to appear before a JURY of your peers.