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reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 09:05 PM by gabby2011

Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by juleol

You think notes passed in class did not often have a very private message in them?

I never said you did defend him. I was just reminding you that he helped steal a car. Since we are looking at crimes I would say the car theft outweighs his cell phone text being read. If it were my kid he would have more to worry about than other people being mad at him because he would not leave the house until he was 18.

Raist

and if there wouldn't have been a car stolen..then what?..his messages were still read.?
You seem to imply that doing something illegal is fine..as long as illigal activity is caught in the process. If thats the case.. I guess you would be ok with someone going through everything on your pc..or in your files..if they get the chance..after all..it might lead to a crime being uncovered.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 12:14 AM by Helious

Originally posted by mustangill
reply to post by Helious

HA, You haven't been in a school in a long time have you now? These schools have their own police department inside them. They have their own rules, their own laws and they just about can do whatever they want and get away with it.

This is disgusting and honestly sickens me to my very core. They are turning our schools into Hitler youth training camps and teaching children that every aspect of there lives are subject to there masters scrutiny. This has to be stopped and I'm not kidding, we are all pointing our efforts in the wrong direction, we are going to end up with drone children learned and trained to be obedient to there state masters... Is this really so far fetched from what the public school system has become? I think not.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 01:26 AM by Xcathdra

reply to post by Helious

I would be more concerned that my child was invovled with people who steal cars...

I am confused as to why people on this site (not neccisarily the person im responding to) always ignore the criminal contact and instead go for a rant on laws and civil rights.

Principle goes through cell phone = grab the torches and pitchforks
Kid involved with people who are stealing cars = not even mentioned / concerned about affiliation.

Maybe the parents should teach / raise their children instead of letting the Schools and Police do their job for them? Maybe the parents should instill some sense of deceny, pride and maturity in thier kids.

Somewhere apparently it slipped the parents minds to teach their kid the difference between right and wrong, misdemeanor and felony etc etc.

The kid would not be in this position if he were not hanging around the kids who stole the car.

see the connection here?

But by all means, sue the school and ignore the criminals stealing the cars.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 02:23 AM by PsykoOps

Originally posted by Xcathdra
But by all means, sue the school and ignore the criminals stealing the cars.

Nice hyperbole. Where does it say that the kid stole a car? The article makes it actually pretty clear that he was not involved.

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reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 02:27 AM by Xcathdra

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by Xcathdra
But by all means, sue the school and ignore the criminals stealing the cars.

Nice hyperbole. Where does it say that the kid stole a car? The article makes it actually pretty clear that he was not involved.
edit on 13/8/2011 by PsykoOps because: (no reason given)

Read what I posted instead of what you want to see...

Principle goes through cell phone = grab the torches and pitchforks
Kid involved with people who are stealing cars = not even mentioned / concerned about affiliation.

Where does it say he stole a car?

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 03:50 AM by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by juleol
Since when was it legal for school to read private messages??

Schools tend to think they can override law a lot. It comes with authority.

If you are attacked by another student in a school and try to defend yourself, you will be punished also, even though self defense is a right.

Some schools even won't allow students to give other students a ride to school in their car, even though the car never enters school grounds and the driver has the legal right to take them.

When the legal age of smoking was 16 here, schools would not allow you to possess them, even though you had the legal right to have them.

These are three cases I know of personally that were challenged by students who won once they brought the legal system into it.

One run in I had myself was this. Shortly after leaving school I drove into school grounds to see my mates. I drove off a bit hard and ended up charged with driving without due care. The court fined me $25 (with $100 court costs) and recorded no conviction.

The school published in their newsletter "Ex student (my surname) found guilty of driving without due care and fined $125".

They settled out of court for $800 for the defamation of character suit I filed against them. The police also ended up giving them a warning about publicizing the name of a minor in relation to a criminal offence (I was only 17 at the time). A criminal and civil breach of law in the one sentence.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 04:27 AM by PsykoOps

reply to post by Xcathdra

Where does it say they ignore the criminals who steal the cars? In fact the article states the exact opposite ffs.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 08:35 AM by mustangill

reply to post by Xcathdra

What kind of society do you think these kids live in? What do you think these kids have to go through every day. Yeah, I used to say the same things as you that it comes from the homes and the parents and that is why these kids are out running the streets and getting into trouble. But, in REALITY, these kids have no were else to go, they do not have a computer in there homes to sit on every night, they live in hoods where there are other kids that are in the same position as them. There are hoodies that come into these neighborhoods to scoop out these kids to turn them into their drug runners, prostitutes, gang bangers.

Its easy for you to sit in front of your computer in your nice peaceful home and say such things. Why not go downtown tonight and walk through the projects where all the poor people live, open your eyes, maybe even invite yourself into one of these families homes. Then you can see just how hard it is to walk in their shoes.

Judge not, lest ye be judged

The kid would not be in this position if he were not hanging around the kids who stole the car.

Where would you like the kid to go to hang with kids that you deem to be fit for society? Should he walk to a more high society neighborhood and hang out with kids there? Maybe he should walk to a better school while he is at it and enroll in that school and he could get a better education as well.

It aint gonna happen because people like you protest this sorta thing. Do you even know that a Mother went to jail for trying to better her kids lives? Source

One thing that really peeves me is hypocrites who say how bad it is for something like this to happen yet in real life they protest it and say "not in my back yard" I am not saying that you are like this but, please think about what you are saying before speaking and if you are a troll or paid to say these things then go troll somewhere else please.

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reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 07:40 PM by Xcathdra

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Xcathdra

Where does it say they ignore the criminals who steal the cars? In fact the article states the exact opposite ffs.

It doesnt, and again quit seeing only what you want. I raised that point that people are upset about his cell phone being looked at by the principle, which IS legal, while completely ignoring the fact this kid decided to assosicate himself with people who steal cars.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 07:48 PM by Xcathdra

reply to post by mustangill

While I appriciate the sentiment and what you are saying, I deal with it on a daily basis with my chosen profession.

Computers and Xbox dont make a kid a non criminal. It comes from parents instilling responsibility. a sense of what is right or wrong and accountability. If your kid does something wrong, the answer is not to blame society.

Schools, Government, Police, DFS - they are not present to raise kids. That is still solely the job of the parents and extended family, depending on culture. Parents today have this mindset of relying on government, schools, police to discipline their children when they act out.

I can go into the ramifications of that if needed, suffice it to say when you are growing up and its the cops / DFS who are always coming by when you do something wrong, resentment towards those groups grows, and since the parents dont discipine, they are just ignored.

In this case the principal (assuming Canadian law is the same as American in this area) did nothing wrong.

The simple fact people are arguing about the kids safety, instead of being more concerned about the level of crime taking place, tells me the views are that of blame someone else.

I would imagine the appropriate response SHOULD be to hell with the bullies and criminals. The parents, town, police etc should take a stand against the criminals who are often left to do whatever the hell they want simply because people are to afriad to take a stand. The police cant do thier jobs since in many cases a vitcim is required in order to prosecute, and if they are bullied into hiding or moving......

Accountability top to bottom, left to right.
Parental involvement in their kids lives, from school, the sports, to how they hang out with.

The blame game I see people using is old and no longer works.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 07:54 PM by Doublemint

the point is to make you think about what you say electronicly its still just as real as saying it in person.

reply posted on 13-8-2011 @ 08:29 PM by Afterthought

I used to teach in a high school and cell phones are not supposed to be out in class or even turned on for that matter. I can't tell you how many times I confiscated cell phones from kids who were texting in class. Once the phone is taken and brought to the proper authorities, it is fair game. Granted, I never looked at the messages in the phones I took possession of, but the principal has every right.

He/She was most likely looking to see if there was any child pornography on the phone. Kids insist on texting nude pics of themselves to their bf/gf/classmates that school officials are being told to look out for it. Believe it or not, this is for safety reasons. No matter how you feel about it, girls have been coerced into sending pics of themselves. This is fact and sometimes an adult has to intervene because the victim won't come forward.

The bottom line is that this kid learned several valuable lessons.
1. Pay attention in class and have your phone in your bag where it should be.
2. Be careful of who you associate with and consider your friends.
3. Don't put anything in writing that you don't want anyone else to know about.
4. Yes, stealing cars is a crime.
5. If you know that someone has stolen a car, you can be labeled as an accessory to the crime or an accessory after the fact. These are serious charges. Grand theft auto isn't taken lightly in juvenile or adult courts.
6. Time to straighten up and fly right.

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