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ECK, I meant Guns in the name of religion. You know you talk like a Democrat, Hate like a Democrat, yet at times you sound like a Republican. I know you claim to be a Republican, so why did you turn your back on your party and turn to the dark side. (just a play on star-wars lanquage, please don't hate, i in no way meant to infer that Democrates are Evil). I just want to understand ECK, I mean, I was a true Southern Democrate, and the party that I belong to turn to the far left and left me behind, so I switched and I am proud to say I am now a Republican. Did this happen to you in reverse, or what?

Originally posted by jrsdls
Did this happen to you in reverse, or what?

Yes. The people in control of the GOP have gone to the dark side. And I mean that with every fiber of my being. Another thing is, there is nothing conservative about Bush and his agenda. Night is day and white is black in Bushworld.

Here are the names of three true conservatives - fine writers, too. Google them and listen to what they have to say about it all.

Charley Reese
Rep. Ron Paul (TX)
Pat Buchanan

All can be found in the archives of antiwar.com, if you're interesed. I highly recommend reading these men.

I've been reading Ron Paul's articles online. What he writes I agree with him all the way. Here's the website to his articles:

www.lewrockwell.com...

ECK, I will read them, I am a conservative, but I just can't bring myself to vote for a Liberal like Kerry. He is very scary.

Originally posted by mrmulder
I've been reading Ron Paul's articles online. What he writes I agree with him all the way. Here's the website to his articles:

www.lewrockwell.com...

Humm, I am still reading them but so far I am about 50/50 on his thoughts.

I like his take on finances and spending. I sorta agree with what he said on the civil rights vote, I see where he is going with it but unfortunatly that was an issue that has very little middle ground.

Don't agree with him on his views of same sex marrage and honeslty that is the core of the reason I could never consider myself Republican. The whole religious thing, I am not even remoatly close to christian beliefs. Which is also why I would have to disagree with you ECK on your support of Buchanin (however you spell his name).

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Originally posted by jrsdls
ECK, I will read them, I am a conservative, but I just can't bring myself to vote for a Liberal like Kerry. He is very scary.

Realy and how conservative you have to be to invade another country?

I think bush is so liberal in his politics that he uses his religion to justify how liberal he is after all.

And if the abuse in the jail scandal in Iraq is not scary I wonder about you.

This is laughable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant figure out myself what has taken so long. We need to wipe out sadr and if they chose to hold up in a holy " shrine" well then it is going to get wiped out too.

LESSON OVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ECK a republican ????

Originally posted by sniper068
This is laughable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant figure out myself what has taken so long. We need to wipe out sadr and if they chose to hold up in a holy " shrine" well then it is going to get wiped out too.

LESSON OVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It most be very easy for you to dictate how people should live or die in other countries. Right?

Specially when this people in other countries are actually in their countries of birth.

Hummmm I guess your are just making fun Right?

Marg, have you ever left the borders of the united states. Have you ever seen the conditions in which the majority of the world's population lives in? having spent almost 20 years overseas in one god forsaken jungle or desert, I can tell you, most would trade with you in a heart beat. They have different attitudes, different values on the santity of life, and different economic situations. Iraq is a country that gassed thier own people. millions were killed. They are willing to die for thier cause, not because they think it's right, but because they do not place the same value on life that most americans do. Please don't place american values on another country. We tried that before and it does not work. That is why we installed an Iraqi government.

Originally posted by jrsdls
Marg, have you ever left the borders of the united states. Have you ever seen the conditions in which the majority of the world's population lives in? having spent almost 20 years overseas in one god forsaken jungle or desert, I can tell you, most would trade with you in a heart beat. They have different attitudes, different values on the santity of life, and different economic situations. Iraq is a country that gassed thier own people. millions were killed. They are willing to die for thier cause, not because they think it's right, but because they do not place the same value on life that most americans do. Please don't place american values on another country. We tried that before and it does not work. That is why we installed an Iraqi government.

ah. so your 20 years overseas has taught you to a.) confuse kurds with iraqis and b.) that non-americans die for their beliefs because they don't have much of a problem with dying, unlike we americans, not because they actually think they are doing the right thing. brilliant. time well spent.

and a minor correction... millions? the number of people gassed in iraq did not number in the millions. actually, in terms of using biological weapons, we americans have the proud honor of killing far far more than a few million. smallpox infected blanket, anyone?

-koji K.

[edit on 27-8-2004 by koji_K]

Sir Winston Churchill gassed the kurds in his day, too. Funny how that gets swept under the rug.

We need to quit using "Saddam gassed the kurds.." Why? Because we were the ones who gave it to him and taught his sorry a$$ how to apply it. Our government who supplied and backed him is just as bad.

jrsdls,

I was born outside US, and for the middle east, you need to open your eyes and see how many Iraqis US invation has turn into casualties of "liberation".

The Iraqis (U.S. military) are threatening to kill journalists if they don't leave. So much for Democracy. What a fu**en joke. Those authorities don't want witnesses to their atrocities.

Journalist Paints Human Experience In Najaf

By Ahmad Maher, IOL Staff

CAIRO, August 23 (IslamOnline.net) � It takes a lion-hearted and objective journalist along with a talented cameraman to go all the way to perils-riddled Iraqi holy city of An-Najaf, to reveal facts and unearth the truth that we may never know.

Beleaguered by a torrent of western media reports that sometimes, if not all the time, are politically motivated, many people worldwide are really bewildered at what is really going on in the flashpoint city of An-Najaf, especially after a stark warning by the interim Iraqi government to journalists to leave or face arrest or even death.
www.islamonline.net...

Guerillas are NEVER going to 'fight fair,' just as the US is never going to war without air supremacy.

Back during the American Revolution, when soldiers fought within shouting range of one another, the Red Coats cursed and shouted at the Americans to fight fair, and that they were cowards, because the Americans were taking cover and sniping instead of marching rank-and-file.

Insurgents, guerillas, whatever, are always going to use every advantage they can scrap up. If they moved all the insurgents out of the cities and came up against the US their campaign would last about six seconds.

So, just because the US is going in Holy places, it's because that's where the insurgents are. We have to engage them carefully in such places so that our attacks don't widen the insurgency. This is a dicey game where we have to convince the populace that we only have a problem with the people giving them problems.

Marg, been there seen it first hand. Sorry did not mean to offend you, so you were born in the middle east. What part, I have spent a lot of time there. Turkey, Saudi, Iraq, Kuwait, Egypt, Israel, Jordan. I can see where some of your views come from. Most Americans have no clue what a global vision is. Americans are very ego-centric. or should I say self-absorbed by our own importantance.

EastCoastKid,

This is incredible great link, now the suspicion of as why the poppet Iraqi government is keeping th media away is true, this is the people if Iraq, Iraqis trying to protect what is theirs, The humble homes and way of life this is so sad.

After the ban this two Journalist had nothing to hide, they want to know exactly what the big picture is, and is been given to us as Islamic radicals fighting US troops, of militias from other country, evil men wanting to kill American soldiers this so wrong and most people in this country will beleive blindly what this administration fed them to them.

Who is the evil, this is from that link, Phillip Robertson, an independent journalist, and his friend cameraman Thorne Anderson.

Now it is their turn to paint their human experience without reference to propaganda, ideology or hoary old clich�s.

Robertson and Anderson were the only journalists inside the US-besieged Imam Ali shrine for three days, August 17-19.

They had seen the destruction of once beautiful city by US.
Most of the citizens will not leave and prefer to die in the city protecting their homes with their families.

Our government has not reguard for the citizens caught up in the struggle.
It has been cries for help to the international comunity to stop US with the destruction of their city but Bush will never let that one out in the public.

The facts has been distorted by the Iraqi goverment and US goverment.

Wake up American this is reality and this the truth.



[edit on 30-8-2004 by marg6043]

You're right marg. And it's tragic. There's no way to win this thing. It has simply devolved into Vietnam II. It's like they say, we will win battles, but we will lose the war. It's past time to take a wholly different approach to this whole chaotic mess. We're flushing our blood and treasure straight down the toilet.

jrsdls,

I was born outside mainland USA not in the middle east, but my husband was in the middle east for one year, actually even when he was in the gulf war and was able to travel around during that time, he does not has anything bad to said about the people in the area during his government deals with civilians he said they were very friendly people that welcome him in their home, and the Iraqis he met were so poor he felt pity for them.

He was targeted by random shooting two times but not injuries just his HV (vehicle) got the bullets and he said the middle east can be dangerous if you are not welcome or have an escort.