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So, how many times did God destroy the world before Adam/Eve?

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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:37 AM
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ok, so here is a nice little quote that passed me by until pointed out by someone else

Original Text:


וַיְבָרֶךְ אֹתָם אֱלֹהִים וַיֹּאמֶר לָהֶם אֱלֹהִים פְּרוּ וּרְבוּ וּמִלְאוּ אֶת־הָאָרֶץ וְכִבְשֻׁהָ וּרְדוּ בִּדְגַת הַיָּם וּבְעֹוף הַשָּׁמַיִם וּבְכָל־חַיָּה הָרֹמֶשֶׂת עַל־הָאָרֶץ׃

Translation (confirmed in KJV


Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


See it?
The keyword...

Replenish...meaning to refill...meaning that it was once full, then something happened and now requires replenishing.

Not fill...replenish.

So...splain.

Certainly leads to a whole host of questions, doesn't it...
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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We discussed it in chat and came to the following conclusion;



New thread from SaturnFX: "So, how many times did God destroy the world before Adam/Eve?" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

2:39 bobs_uruncle: 4



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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Woulda guessed tree fiddy

-shakes fist at lochness monster-



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Interesting catch, so do you think that God made some errors in creating the world that he had to erase everything and start over?

He did wipe everyone out at the time of the flood (Except Noah's clan)

Could Adam and Eve be the last two from a previous world and a restart for the current one?



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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Maybe God subscribes to that whole Mass Extinction cycle?


I thought it'd go away if I gave him a dollar.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by daikaiju
Interesting catch, so do you think that God made some errors in creating the world that he had to erase everything and start over?

He did wipe everyone out at the time of the flood (Except Noah's clan)

Could Adam and Eve be the last two from a previous world and a restart for the current one?


It was probably a lake to begin with

Land of Nod doing fine over on the mainland, these saps in their own little lab area with a protected garden...who knows, but the word itself is curious.

Now, other translations suggest it is to fill, so, I am now interested in a few things
1) Is the KJV corrupt, or other versions...because that is a pretty important word to get right
2) What is the actual ancient hebrew word...not the common modern hebrew translation, but the actual word itself and how is the context read on ancient hebrew...(often context changes a words meaning significantly in languages)



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 03:07 AM
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It's referring to the dinosaurs, right? dinosaurs ruled the Earth for a long time..They all got wiped out. And god wanted to replenish the earth with humans instead.

But really, I don't trust the translations of bibles, or even the "original" texts. The Church altered them for more than a thousand years.
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 03:27 AM
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Nah... God put the dinosaur bones here later on, so as to test the faith of his sheep.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 04:05 AM
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Are you guys familiar with Lilith? In ancient times she was taught to have been Adam's first wife before Eve. There are various ancient non-canonical books containing stories of Lilith.

There is even debate that there are two separate creation stories sloppily hashed together and hidden between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. In older times, Lilith was taught to be the woman spoken of in Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." While Eve is the woman spoken of in Genesis 2:21-22 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." Lilith was created at the same time and equally to Adam, while Eve was created from Adam's rib as his lesser companion to dominate and control.

It was believed by some that Lilith and her offspring were the first generation, while Eve and her offspring were the second generation. Eve and her children were to replenish the world after Lilith's downfall.

Pretty interesting stuff.


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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 06:27 AM
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As an extension of the topic, it can even be mentioned, that Gurdjieff (an esoteric-christian guru) wrote, that 'god' botched a first cosmos completely, so he had to redo it into the present one.

That's craftsmanship, eh! From a cosmos-creator apprentice.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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You wrote:

["Are you guys familiar with Lilith? In ancient times she was taught to have been Adam's first wife before Eve. There are various ancient non-canonical books containing stories of Lilith."]

Sure. She was the one who got kicked out, because she didn't accept the 'missionary position' as the only option.

Which undoubtly also has symbolic overtones in a hierarchy system, where there are those being on top, and those beneath.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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www.wordworx.co.nz...

There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).

Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the begining God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.

This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.
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Somethings you can not fake or turn around, maybe the modern langauge has been corrupted but the original meaning has not and people need to see the difference here.

There is theory that there was a previous earth or order but that is God's way why do we have to question it like he went wrong or something he can do what he wants because he is not defined by the knowlede of good and evil it does not effect him like it does us, it is wrong because you have knowledge of wrong.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by daikaiju
Interesting catch, so do you think that God made some errors in creating the world that he had to erase everything and start over?

He did wipe everyone out at the time of the flood (Except Noah's clan)

Could Adam and Eve be the last two from a previous world and a restart for the current one?


Because God isn't real, nature has no forsight, and no one truly cares if certain animals come to extinction.

It's only a downer, of course, if you believe such an incompetent designer exists.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by The time lord
www.wordworx.co.nz...

There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).

Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the begining God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.

This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.
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Somethings you can not fake or turn around, maybe the modern langauge has been corrupted but the original meaning has not and people need to see the difference here.

There is theory that there was a previous earth or order but that is God's way why do we have to question it like he went wrong or something he can do what he wants because he is not defined by the knowlede of good and evil it does not effect him like it does us, it is wrong because you have knowledge of wrong.


That certainly explains it all.

(Possibly with the help of Panin-methodology 'logic').



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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It explains that there is an order out there, God leaves clues to those who seek him a bit like how we humans leave bread crums for birds in your garden, if one is smart you can catch one and bring him indoors and look after them incase the cat comes and eats it.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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There is the gap theory
en.wikipedia.org...

but

Genesis 9 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.


So after the flood Noah is told to replenish the earth, which in this case would make sense


Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


So how do you make something that’s without form and is And void?

its obviously non-sense, but apparently in Hebrew it reads as Tohu wa-bohu
I’m no Hebrew scholar but I did come across this as a kind of translation for
“was without form, and void”
was=became
without form=waste
void=desolation

so if the earth was desolated in a similar way to what happen in the flood then A&E been told to "replenish the earth" would make sense

and then there’s Jeremiah 4 where Jeremiah is getting a vision of a potential future disaster


Jeremiah 4 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.


so the phrase "without form, and void" is used twice and in a way that could be translated as
was=became
without form=waste
void=desolation



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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I will say, this thread turned out more intellectually interesting than I first speculated it would be.
Cheers for the responses you lot.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by The time lord
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It explains that there is an order out there, God leaves clues to those who seek him a bit like how we humans leave bread crums for birds in your garden, if one is smart you can catch one and bring him indoors and look after them incase the cat comes and eats it.



We already know there's order in cosmos, and we already know something about how it's structured.

As to 'clues', such CAN be the basis of a further search for knowing even more about this structure, but the hybrid faith/finding-secret-bible-codes (etc) is just an effort to pretend 'credibility' through the use of pseudo-science/logic.



posted on Aug, 14 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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This is another odd bit of wording


1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness


One way of reading this is, after god(s) have made the earth + life, he/they select an animal called man and change it so that its image is like god(s)’s image or likeness

Breaking the sentence down:

Let us make this thing so that its like that thing

Implying some kind of change or make over, but not creating something new





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