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reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:09 AM by maryjo44
With just a fast google, I found these sites that give some answers to our questions...

quantumpranx.wordpress.com...

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No this doesn't look good at all...Maybe this is why the elite are all ready to hide under ground


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 09:56 AM by aboutface
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Just Google Hydro-Quebec and solar flare /and or blackouts. Since Quebec's hydro power feeds a lot of the North American grid, it's linked to so many systems. Scientists are trying to diversify the grid more, but I don't know how far they've progressed.



reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 10:12 AM by 4nsicphd
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You are a couple of years late with this doomsday scenario. The NRC is requiring emergency backup generators, either diesel or gas turbine, at plants like the Mitsubishi Nuclear Energy Systems’ Comanche Peak plant.


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 10:13 AM by juleol
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Please not again...How many times does it have to be repeated on this site that this solar cycle is WEAKEST in over a CENTURY.
The only thing Nasa is saying is that we are moving towards a solar max which means solar flare activity will increase and so will the likelyhood of power outages and such. The chances of this happening is still lower than during previous solar maximums when nothing overly bad happened...

I agree that we need to do something about the nuclear plants though, but this hysteria around sun is really just bull.
If this was a normal solar cycle we would have had a average sunspot number well over 100 sunspots at all times and sun would look like this: link instead of this: link
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reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 10:37 AM by C0bzz
No, I am not trying to be dramatic,

Yes you are.

but this issue does need the attention of everyone.

No, it doesn't.

We have a loaded gun pointed to the head of humanity.

What you have done is take a novel risk - nuclear meltdown caused by massive flare - and have presented it devoid of all of the facts that blow it apart and a rational analysis for such an event, in some sort of sick way to gain attention from people who don't know better. That's what you have done.


"People learn to live with risk and their perception of risk is inversely proportional to the novelty of the risk not the facts and not the probability. Like in everything: familiarity breeds contempt." - DV82XL

I could come up with a scenario where a fire at a petrol station burns down an entire country. It's not hard but because I don't include the word meltdown nobody will give a crap irregardless of the actual risk that it poses.

The loaded gun is the over 400 nuclear power plants and 250 research reactors worldwide.


Many or even most of the research reactors are pool type which cannot melt-down if all power is lost indefinitely. Furthermore for all >400 nuclear power reactors to be effected a solar flare would have to effect power grids all accross the planet which is even less likely, for example the
March 1989 geomagnetic storm mainly only caused the collapse of the Hydro-Québec's electricity transmission system. It did not cause disruption to Gentilly Nuclear Generating Station in Quebec. So not only would many of the electric power grids have to be taken down (unlikely) it would have to be those with nuclear plants connected to them and with all diesel generators unable to be refueled.

Now think of this: NASA has already warned us of what the sun WILL do. They've already told us that we are entering a period where the likelihood of major regions will lose power and the grid will be inoperable for an indefinite period of time.

NASA has not said that such an event will occur, and have suggested that Carrington type events occur are once in about 500 years. Once every 100 year events are considerably smaller and are far less likely to affect the entire planet.

That time period could go on for years.

Complete restoration could take months or years, however there is no reason to suggest the grid could not operate in a degraded state significantly before then.

Now, what's going to happen when the inevitable CME hits Earth and knocks out some, or all, of the world's electrical power grid?

Even if the grids went out then the reactor would shut down automatically within seconds. ECCS in existing reactors is dependent on a power source, the grid is one of several which can be used. Geomagnetically induced current tends to effect large electricity grids rather than relatively small scale backup systems such as those employed at nuclear power plants, ECCS function would therefore be limited by fuel supplies, however given the fuel supplies themselves would not be destroyed, there is no reason they could not be refueled. ECCS is only required for long enough to bring the reactor to cold-shutdown state where-by defueling can commence. Completely refueling a reactor takes about 7-10 days from shutdown.


releasing incomprehensible amounts of radiation into the atmosphere.

Assumes that containment would be breached which is only highly likely with an old Boiling Water Reactor.

As you all know, the effects are not local for even one reactor -- such a meltdown would affect a large part of the world. Several reactors melting down would spell near-extinction ---

We already have had several nuclear reactors melt down. Even though Chernobyl did increase cancer rates, age standardized cancer rates in Ukraine are still significantly lower than they are in for example, the United States. Cancer in Ukraine is still mainly caused by for example, smoking and other factors. Fukushima is not likely going to be worse than that. Several reactors melting down would probably be the least of our problems in such an event - probably one of the biggest would be an massive increase in poverty due to lack of wealth, for example, as when electricity stops the economy stops.
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