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Will the banksters/globalists try to subvert masonic lodges?

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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Will the banksters/globalists try to subvert masonic lodges?


I was thinking. The globalists and bank crime families know that these lodges are in direct competition with their manufactured power structure. They will try to sow division like they always do and execute false flag campaigns.


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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Will the banksters/globalists try to subvert masonic lodges?


I was thinking. The globalists and bank crime families know that these lodges are in direct competition with their manufactured power structure.

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Pray tell , what manufactured power structure would that be concerning Freemasonry ?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Try to? I was under the impression that they already had.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Will the banksters/globalists try to subvert masonic lodges?


One question I've never had answered: of what possible benefit is this to them? It's not an economically powerful institution. It would be of no help winning over the public, since public opinion is divided among those even particularly aware of anything other than the name (itself a small number). What do we bring to the table?


They will try to sow division like they always do and execute false flag campaigns.


Division of what? What kind of false flag campaign?
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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Will the banksters...


When you say 'banksters' what exactly do you mean?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Will the banksters...


When you say 'banksters' what exactly do you mean?


Globalist international bank owners\executives.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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I'm not sure how or why you camis conclusion, but maybe you should lay out some premises, some evidence to show your case.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 03:28 AM
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I always thought the lodges were being used as breeding grounds.
Don't the people higher up look for good candidates in the Masonic lodges?



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Theosophical
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I always thought the lodges were being used as breeding grounds.
Don't the people higher up look for good candidates in the Masonic lodges?


This that masonic lodges would be the last to be subverted by the nwo. They are pretty good at sniffing out wolves.

Now national political parties on the other hand....



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Will the banksters/globalists try to subvert masonic lodges?
I was thinking. The globalists and bank crime families know that these lodges are in direct competition with their manufactured power structure. They will try to sow division like they always do and execute false flag campaigns.



Your OP contains the following unexamined assumptions:

1. All Bankers are Globalists
2. Globalists are generally bad people
3. Bankers are generally bad people
4. Freemasonry has political power
5. Freemasonry is worth subverting
6. Bankers and Globalists cooperate with Crime Families
7. Conflicts are generally false-flag

With layers upon layers of falsehood, how do you ever hope to discover even the slightest shred of truth?
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Will the banksters/globalists try to subvert masonic lodges?
I was thinking. The globalists and bank crime families know that these lodges are in direct competition with their manufactured power structure. They will try to sow division like they always do and execute false flag campaigns.



Your OP contains the following unexamined assumptions:

1. All Bankers are Globalists
2. Globalists are generally bad people
3. Bankers are generally bad people
4. Freemasonry has political power
5. Freemasonry is worth subverting
6. Bankers and Globalists cooperate with Crime Families
7. Conflicts are generally false-flag

With layers upon layers of falsehood, how do you ever hope to discover even the slightest shred of truth?
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1. Partly false. But some are.
2. Not all of them just a select few. Most are normal sane ethical people.
3. Not all of them just a select few. Most are normal sane ethical people.
4. Yes it does.
5. Yes it is.
6. Rockefellers/standard oil funded Mao,Hitler Rothschilds funded the communist revolution in Russia.
7. Operation Northwoods, 911.

Your opinion is noted.
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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1. Partly false. But some are.

Banks must do Business beyond the borders of their nation if they want to be taken seriously by their customers. Global reach is quite common and no indication of evil.

4. Yes it does.

Freemasonry as such has no political power since more than 70 years. Get with the program.

5. Yes it is.

Freemasonry is not worth subverting. Its just a group of local guys hanging out together to get away from the wives, performing antiquated ritual, having a beer together and exercising fellowship. No evil in sight.

6. Rockefellers/standard oil funded Mao,Hitler Rothschilds funded the communist revolution in Russia.

Hitler or Stalin purchasing oil from an oil company does not mean that this oil company "funded" them. They had to purchase their oil somewhere for all the tanks, cars, machinery etc.

7. Operation Northwoods, 911.

Operation Northwoods is ONE proven intended false-flag Operation. Compare that to 100000000 conflicts
that are not.

"Your opinion is noted"

Opinion is a subjective belief, an idea you have about reality.

Fact is an objective reality that can be experienced by many.
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
1. Partly false. But some are.

Banks must do Business beyond the borders of their nation if they want to be taken seriously by their customers. Global reach is quite common and no indication of evil.

For the most part. But its that small element that spoils the bunch. Ask Bill Gates,Zbig, and the rest of CFR. They know more about it than me.Come on selling fraudulent toxic loans is good right? Stealing tax money is also good correct?

4. Yes it does.

Freemasonry as such has no political power since more than 70 years. Get with the program.

That's your opinion.You can believe that if you want

5. Yes it is.

Freemasonry is not worth subverting. Its just a group of local guys hanging out together to get away from the wives, performing antiquated ritual, having a beer together and exercising fellowship. No evil in sight.

who said anything about evil. You said that not me.

6. Rockefellers/standard oil funded Mao,Hitler Rothschilds funded the communist revolution in Russia.

Hitler or Stalin purchasing oil from an oil company does not mean that this oil company "funded" them. They had to purchase their oil somewhere for all the tanks, cars, machinery etc.

who owns the oil comapanies? Peter Pan or the Bushes and Rockefellers

7. Operation Northwoods, 911.

Operation Northwoods is ONE proven false-flag Operation. Compare that to 100000000 conflicts
that are not.

So you think that was the only false flag they executed? If so.../THREAD

"Your opinion is noted"

Opinion is a subjective belief, an idea you have about reality.

Your belief that lodges are not a target for the nwo is flawed. Look up wikipedia for fallacy
Fact is an objective reality that can be experienced by many.
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so you admit they have ran false flag before correct?
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Freemasonry as such has no political power since more than 70 years. Get with the program.

That's your opinion.You can believe that if you want
No, sadly, the evidence backs up Skyfloating's position pretty well. In the 1960s about one in every 20 men in the United States was a Freemason. Today the number is less than 1 in a hundred. (There are almost 3 million less Masons in the US today then there were in 1959; also take into consideration that the population of the US has grown significantly in the last 50 years, and you can see how the ratio has fallen so steeply.)

The Masonic involvement was highest in the years following WWII. Men coming back from the war sought a camaraderie, and Masonry was one such outlet. In the 1960s, though, people became more individualistic. There were fewer "joiners".

My position is that the number of Masons in "postions of power", whether that be political or in the business world, has likely shifted in step with the overall percentage of Masons in the country. Thus if there's a huge percentage decrease in overall US Masonic membership in comparison to the US population, then it follows that there are fewer Masons in politics today than there were in the 1960s.

The stats
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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
so you admit they have ran false flag before correct?


Has someone, in the History of mankind, used false-flag tactics before? Sure. But it's not the rule. Too difficult to orchestrate on a mass-level because you'd need thousands of people to be complicit in conspiracy.

The common epistemological fallacy of the conspiracy-theorist is taking something exceptional, extremely rare and blowing it out of proportion, as if it represents the general rule and way of things.

If you ever wondered why hardly any truth ever comes from conspiracy-sites and literature, this little cognitive distortion explains it.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
so you admit they have ran false flag before correct?


Has someone, in the History of mankind, used false-flag tactics before? Sure. But it's not the rule. Too difficult to orchestrate on a mass-level because you'd need thousands of people to be complicit in conspiracy.

The common epistemological fallacy of the conspiracy-theorist is taking something exceptional, extremely rare and blowing it out of proportion, as if it represents the general rule and way of things.

If you ever wondered why hardly any truth ever comes from conspiracy-sites and literature, this little cognitive distortion explains it.



Not someone the government.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Freemasonry as such has no political power since more than 70 years. Get with the program.

That's your opinion.You can believe that if you want
No, sadly, the evidence backs up Skyfloating's position pretty well. In the 1960s about one in every 20 men in the United States was a Freemason. Today the number is less than 1 in a hundred. (There are almost 3 million less Masons in the US today then there were in 1959; also take into consideration that the population of the US has grown significantly in the last 50 years, and you can see how the ratio has fallen so steeply.)

The Masonic involvement was highest in the years following WWII. Men coming back from the war sought a camaraderie, and Masonry was one such outlet. In the 1960s, though, people became more individualistic. There were fewer "joiners".

My position is that the number of Masons in "postions of power", whether that be political or in the business world, has likely shifted in step with the overall percentage of Masons in the country. Thus if there's a huge percentage decrease in overall US Masonic membership in comparison to the US population, then it follows that there are fewer Masons in politics today than there were in the 1960s.

The stats
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Who side are you on?

Stay out of this. We don't need for you to introduce your "facts" here.

So what on of my points was inaccurate. We still ran false flag before.



posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Not someone the government.


Operation Northwood was planned but not executed. The Government revealed Northwood because they wanted to level with their people. Kudos to them.

Anyway...let's not stray off-topic: If TPTB subvert masonic lodges, they`ll get a bunch of retired old guys who just want to sit around and have a good time.

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posted on Aug, 12 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Why are worth subverting and how do we hold political power?

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I do love the dismissive attitude towards historical fact and statistics.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Freemasonry is not worth subverting. Its just a group of local guys hanging out together to get away from the wives, performing antiquated ritual, having a beer together and exercising fellowship. No evil in sight.


Woe Woe Woe!!!! Hey that's just mean!!!!!!!!

First of all, no beer is allowed in any lodge, second of all I never try and get away from my wife...she does at times try and get away from me....third...we might very well do something that is worth Subverting.....you never know!!!



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