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Secret society: What prolly got Pac shot again

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posted on Jan, 29 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Saphronia
Next time you wanna call Pac violent/thuggish pick something from All Eyez On Me--everything before that has a message. If you hit me up email or U2U I'll give you a copy of the whole song so you can listen to it, and hopefully I cleared this up for those that haven't heard the song before.




So your implying none of his albums after that had a message?

How about the very next album, "Makaveli : The 7 Day Theory", or Still I Rise, or Until The End of Time, all of those albums have songs that have clues, and messages in them.

The entire Makaveli album (Pac changed his name in 1996 to Makaveli, no not his real name, simply his alias), and Still I Rise, the title of the album is a clue all by it's self, Until The End of Time, has a song called "Closest Roaddogs", this song is also a clue.

There are so many clues put out, which I believe he done, because he knew his time was coming, he rapped about it over and over, so he left these clues in order for his # to sell, and for his name to remain out there in people minds for plenty of years to come, and it's done just that.




posted on Jan, 29 2004 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Who cares? Tupac sucked! Rap sucks! Hip hop has been on a downward spiral since the late 80's. I'm glad he's dead because because he sucked but, I'm sad he's dead because he became a martyr for his own music.



Obviously you're not from the city, because if you were, you could relate to him. Try keeping an open mind.



posted on Jan, 29 2004 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Who cares? Tupac sucked! Rap sucks! Hip hop has been on a downward spiral since the late 80's. I'm glad he's dead because because he sucked but, I'm sad he's dead because he became a martyr for his own music.



Obviously you're not from the city, because if you were, you could relate to him. Try keeping an open mind.


Leave me outta this.



posted on Jan, 29 2004 @ 11:54 PM
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Ur right A-Id. But you gotta admit none of the stuff he did after AEOM was as potent when it came to social issues. Most of the stuff on Still I Rise was wack to me...too much of the Laws and not enough Pac. And, he was still on some killa nig'ah in that too. I like his earlier stuff more. DK7 is good but there is some doubt as to whether that is his original track list. Some think Suge changed it, so maybe it was better. Like on Toss it up that last verse don't even match the 1st verse and the hook. It seems like it shouldn't even be there--it's out of place...my b for not making it clear though.

[Edited on 29-1-2004 by Saphronia]



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 01:14 PM
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you want some good proof tupac is alived and planned his own death to sell more check out this site and read it all it als o talks about the illuminati stuff like where he called him self makaveli the don killuminati.

members.aol.com...

great site.



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 01:26 PM
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NotTooHappy, u made me not too happy... please please please have respect. i have a book of tupacs poetry next to me and he is an artist. there are a great deal of people out there who love him, think about that before you start saying you're glad he's dead. you could have said something along the lines of 'i don't think that he is a good lyricist,' or 'personally, i don't like his music' but saying you're glad he's dead. thats just sick

not very happk



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 01:33 PM
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Who cares who killed him, he was a thug and deserved it as far as I am concerned.(just my opinion)



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 02:19 PM
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To all those who say all 2pac was a thug and a criminal, he was also HIGHLY EDUCATED and a scholar and philosipher on the African-American condition in the Ghettos and Slums of America. Please do some reasearch before your guys make broad sweeping judgments. If you don't like the style of music then don't listen, but READ the lyrics you will find some of the best modern poetry written in the late 20th century.... And yeah 2Pacs Alive. He's either on some backwater carribean island or he could be in Cuba or he could be living it up somwhere in Africa living like a king out of reach of everybody, or he might even be still in America somewhere Hiding who knows



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 02:45 PM
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When i was younger i was on the tip that Pac was still alive.... but when it comes down to it Pac was an animal in the studio and had a bigger track list then any other artist i could possibly think of. He would put his best tracks on a record and cut probably a whole nother record. Thats why all this new sht keeps coming out... because he did it, didnt think it was as good, and left it. Who killed the man... i mean if you get right into it i dont think you can say suge did it... Suge knew pac was out and that he wouldnt really have the rights to the guy anymore, but every song that pac did whils under death row records belonged to Suge and Suge could still have put them out... look what he did with snoop... Dead Man Walkin... As much as i was into the seven day theory for a while... its not too likely... i say let the guy rest in peace dead or alive.... hands down most hardworking best lyricist and poet of our time.... somebody else said it and i feel the same way... Pac's best music was his stuff before all eyes on me when he was coming hard with a message.... and he was never really anti-white people... just pro black folks.... cant blame him the way he grew up...

edit: to my man machine gun jordan... that site has alot to say about the 7 day theory... which is kinda sad because its been past 7 years now... even if he is alive he wont be making a triumphant return... no amount of coincidence is gunna make it happen...

"How long will they mourn me?"

[edit on 23-7-2004 by Aero]



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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has anyone even read the link i just posted cmon people it is solid proof he is still living.in one song he rapped about biggie bein dead when tupac died before biggie. and in one of tupacs videos after he was dead he was wearing brand new nikes that just came out.

[edit on 7/23/2004 by machinegunjordan]



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 07:01 PM
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(from the link i posted)good read to

this is what know

After leaving the Tyson fight on Saturday September 7, 1996 Tupac was alledgedly shot 5 times. He lived through the shooting and was taken to a nearby hospital.
He was pronounced dead on Friday September 13, 1996.

Now here are some other facts.

Friday the 13th is a very suspicious day.

There were never any pictures released of Tupac in the hospital.

In the song "Life Goes On", Tupac raps about his own funeral.

The driver of the car in which Tupac was riding, Suge Knight (the executive producer of Death Row Records), didn't show up for questioning about the shooting.

The video "I ain't Mad at Cha" was released only a few days after his death. "I ain't Mad at Cha" is track 13 on the album All Eyes On Me. The video shows Tupac as an angel in heaven. In the video, Tupac was shot after leaving a theater with a friend, which is very similar to how he was shot in real life. Interestingly, Tupac dies in his last video released under the name "Tupac". His new video "Toss It Up" from the new album was released under the name "Makaveli".

The second video to be released by the name Makaveli is "To Live and Die in L.A." But how could they shoot the second video when he is "dead". Do you really think the video was shot 4 months ago, back in August of '96? Think about it.

In the video "Hail Mary" released under the name Makaveli, there is a gravestone that says Makaveli. But the gravestone is cracked and there is a hole right in front of it, inferring that Makaveli rose from the dead.

A shooting involving Snoop Doggy Dogg occured close to the release of his album Doggystyle. The shooting made Snoop appear more "real" and showed his fans that he really was a gangsta. The shooting gave him respect because everyone that bought his album believed what he was talking about. Within one week of its release, Doggystyle went platnium. Snoop is signed to the same label as Tupac which is Death Row Records. In December '96, Tupac's new album went platinum.

In interviews prior to the shooting, Tupac talked about how he wanted to stop rapping and being a gangsta and get out of the limelight. What is the only way Tupac could completly escape the media spotlight ??? (Answer: if the public thought he was dead.)

There are no suspects for the shooting.

Press wasn't going to be allowed at the funeral, but then the funeral was cancelled for unknown reasons.

Tupac always wore a bulletproof vest, no matter where he went. Why didn't he wear it to a very public event like a Tyson fight? (Because he wanted to make it seem like he could be shot.)

In most of his songs he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly cremated the day after he "died"? And since when do they cremate someone the day after death without an autopsy? Furthermore, it is illegal to bury someone who has been murdered without an autopsy.

The new Tupac album released on Nov. 5, and was originally supposed to be an EP of 6 songs, but was then extended to a full length album of 12 songs.

Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power.

In Machiavelli's book Discourses Upon the First Ten Books of Titus Livy, in Book 2 Chapter XIII he says "a prince who wishes to achieve great things must learn to deceive". This is Machiavelli's main idea and is the connection between Tupac and the writings of Machiavelli.

The title of the new album by Makaveli (Tupac) is The 7 Day Theory. He was shot on September 7th; and survived on the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and"died" the 13th. Hence the title The 7 Day Theory.

Tupac's album All Eyes on Me was released on Feb.13, 1996. Tupac "died" on Sept.13, 1996. It is quite a coincidence that the two dates are exactly 7 months apart.

Tupac officially died at 4:03 PM. 4+3 = 7 Also he "died" at an age of 25 years. 2+5 = 7 It seems as if seven is Tupac's number.

There is nothing in the new album that says TUPAC RIP 1971-1996. Wouldn't it make sense to include something like that in the first album after his "death"? The only thing mentioned is "EXIT TUPAC ENTER MAKAVELI".

The executive producer of The 7 Day Theory , as listed in the CD booklet of the album, is Simon (who is a previously unknown producer in the rap music industry). In the bible, Simon was an apostle of Jesus. Simon was one of the first witnesses of the Resurrection listed by Saint Paul (I Cor. 15: 5). Could Simon be a reference to Suge Knight(the executive producer of Death Row records)? Simon was renamed "Peter, the rock" (John 1:42).

In Richie Rich's album Seasoned Veteran, which was released on the same day as The 7 Day Theory, on the song "N*ggas Done Changed" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says the following lyrics: "I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word / but best believe that n*ggas' gonna get what they deserve." This phrase implies that Tupac knows he will be dead when Richie Rich's album is released.

In Makaveli's (Tupac's) song "White Man's World" on album The 7 Day Theory, he says "We ain't never gonna walk off this planet unless ya'll choose to." Did he choose to walk off the planet by faking his death?

In Tupac's song "Ambitionz az a Ridah" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "Blast me but they didn't finish, didn't diminish my powers so now I'm back to be a muthaf*ckin' menace, they cowards thats why they tried to set me up, had b*tch *ss n*ggas on my team so indeed they wet me up, BUT I'M BACK REINCARNATED." This implies that Tupac is reincarnated as Makaveli.

In Tupac's song "Life of an Outlaw" on the album The 7 Day Theory, he says "All for the street fame on how to be managed, to plan sh*t, 6 months in advance to what we plotted, approved to go on swole and now I got it"-Life Of An Outlaw. This implies that Tupac planned his "death" in advance and now he is enjoying the success of his plan.

In Tupac's song "Made Niggaz" from the Supercop Soundtrack, he says "F*ck 'em all who don't understand my plot to get richer... Outlaw to the grave, a muthaf*ckin' made nigga I got a plan to get richer. Take my picture." Once again he mentions his "plan" to get rich.



In E-40's album Hall Of Game in the song "Million Dollar Spot" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says, "Fans can't understand my ghetto slang, so i evade and plot and plan a life of better things...." Once again Tupac mentions his "plan".

In Tupac's song "Ain't Hard 2 Find" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "I heard rumors I died, murdered in cold blood, tramatized pictures of me in my final states, you know momma cryed, but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted." It seems as if Tupac foretold the future.

Scarface's song "Smile", which is a duet with Tupac, was supposedly recorded in September of '96, before Tupac was "shot". But the video for the song was released in May of '97 and the video depicts Tupac rapping while he appears to be crucified. At the end of the video, Tupac falls off the cross and stands up...which is another image of resurection. Towards the end of the video, it becomes slightly apparent that Tupac is actually portrayed by a look-alike. I still wonder, if he is really dead, then why do they keep making everyone so suspicious???

In the video for "I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto" the town it takes place in is called Rukahs. "Rukahs" spelled backwards is "Shakur". The room he goes into with the girl is room number 7. The clock in the background at the end is at 4:03...the same time he officially died. More funny stuff from the video producers. My question still remains, why?

In Tupac's song "No More Pain" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "A heart of a soldier with the brains to teach a whole nation." Could this be a reference to Machievelli or Jesus?

On the cover of The 7 Day Theory, there is a picture of Tupac being crucified. This fits with the idea that Tupac "died" so he could be reincarnated as Makaveli. In the picture, there are five bullet holes. Interestingly, Tupac was "shot" 5 times.

The only witness to the shooting, Yafeu Fula, was found shot to death on Nov. 10th in a hallway of an apartment building in East Orange, NJ. Hmm...now no one will get any info out of him. (for more info on his death, click here.)

After the shooting of Notorious B.I.G. on March 9th, 1997 Lieutenant Wayne Petersen of the the homicide division of the Las Vegas Police Department who has been investigating Shakur's alleged killing said, "Before yesterday, I had never even heard of the Notorious B.I.G. There is no link between the two murders. We think the only connection is in the minds of the media. The media wants to connect the two." If you asked anyone who knows anything about the Tupac case, they would say something about the rivalry between Biggie and Tupac. How will the Las Vegas police ever solve the case if they don't know the basics? The answer is that they won't. C'mon guys, that is pretty pathetic.



According to my friend Roger as well as numerous other sources, in the first three seconds of The 7 Day Theory, the words "Suge shot me" are spoken very softly. Check it out for yourself, but that certainly is suspicious and it must mean something. Click here for the sample as it appears on the CD.

According to Neal, on the song "Thug Luv" which is a duet with Tupac on Bone Thugs-N-Harmony's double CD Art Of War after Tupac says "whuz poppin' n*gga", Bizzy Bone can be heard saying "He's Alive He's Alive He's Alive" in the background. Click here for the sample.

During an interview, an ABC correspondent asked Suge Knight, "If you knew who killed Tupac, would you tell the police?". Suge answered, "Absolutely not."

On November 25, 1997 a new 2 Pac album will be released on Jive Records called R U Still Down. It is being released under the name "2 Pac" not "Makaveli". This implies many things...does this mean that "2 pac" is back?

I have heard there is a "new" artist called "Blac Haze". The song that I have heard by them is called "Let Me Holla At Cha". A clip can be downloaded here from the site Exit-2 pac-Enter-Makaveli. The rapper sounds like Tupac, at least to me. Check it out for yourself.

In the video "Heaven Gotta Ghetto", the license plate of the car that he gets in with the older man reads "61671". Another obvious occurance of the number seven and the sum of seven (6+1).

This bit of info comes from Michael Penn: In the CD booklet of the "R U Still Down" album the it is written "Keep the faith in me I wont let u down...love 2pac". Can he be advising us not to dwell on his "death" because he is coming back?

This comes from Mike Frankel: If you rearrange the letters in the album title "Makaveli The Don Killuminati The 7Day Theory" You can make the sentence "Ok on tha 7th u think I'm dead yet I'm really alive". Mike explains "7th meaning the 7th day after he was shot, he supposedly died but is really alive." That's quite amazing, try it for yourself.

Doesn't all this sound a bit too ridiculous, although there is no specific fact that makes my theory valid, there is nothing the obviously disproves it, but it all adds up to something, there must be something funny going on. Don't you think?

Although this doesn't provide any evidence about Tupac's death, it is interesting. If you rearrange the letters of "makaveli", you get "mak alive", or make alive. Remember how Tupac spelled Machiavelli as Makaveli? Well, he is probably spelling Calumniate as Killuminati. Calumniate means to make false or slanderous statements.
Follow this link to find out about another person's opinion about what Killuminati means. members.aol.com... this is all a qoute from the link i posted.

another great site that provides more proof through his lyrics can be found here.

www.2paczone.com...



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Who cares? Tupac sucked! Rap sucks! Hip hop has been on a downward spiral since the late 80's. I'm glad he's dead because because he sucked but, I'm sad he's dead because he became a martyr for his own music.


I AGREE!

P.S.

Anyone else notice someone else using Pisky's avatar?



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 07:19 PM
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www.2paczone.com...
here is a list of tupacs enemies.

www.2paczone.com...
here are some interesting facts about tupac
like his name tupac amaru is incan for shining serpent and shakur is arabic for thankful to god.

www.2paczone.com...
here is some info on makaveli

www.2paczone.com...
here is info on his first shooting.

www.2paczone.com...
this is a summary of tupacs "death" with detail

September 7th, 1996 was the day that Tupac was gunned down in Las Vegas. Tupac's evening began when he and Suge Knight attended the Mike Tyson vs. Bruce Seldon fight in The MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas. Tupac enjoyed his time there as his friend Tyson won the fight in a short time. During their time at ringside, Suge Knight told Tupac to take his bullet-proof vest off, prosumably because it is illegal to wear one in Las Vegas.

After the fight Tupac, Suge and others attacked Orlando Anderson, a member of the southside crips. They attacked him in the lobby of The MGM Grand Hotel and were caught on the surveillance camera. It is believed they attacked him because he stole a chain from someone affiliated with Death Row Records earlier. Tupac then left the hotel and headed to his fianc's (Kadida Jones) house. He stayed there for a while and took a rest. While he was there, Kadida asked Tupac to put his bullet-proof vest on but Tupac didn't. Tupac then left Kadida's house wearing a basketball jersey. He and Suge were headed to Death Row Records' club, Club 662 to celebrate Mike Tyson's win in a BMW which Suge was driving. They had a large entourage with them including some of The Outlawz and Tupac's bodyguards.

At 11:10pm, Tupac and Suge pulled up at an intersection on East Flamengo Road. They were speaking to two unidentified women and then a white cadillac pulled up on the passenger side and opened fire. They fired 13 shots as Tupac aparently tried to climb into the back seat. Tupac was hit 4 times. Twice in the chest, once in the thigh and once in his arm. Suge was grazed by a bullet. Suge Knight immediately did a u-turn and headed toward the hospital. Aparently Tupac was joking around with Suge in the car. Despite being bleeding and having a flat tire on the car, Suge drove a mile and was pulled over by the cops. They took Tupac to the University Medical Center. When Tupac was being wheeled in he was screaming, "I'm dying, I'm dying!" Shortly before midnight, Tupac was brought to UMC's Trauma Center, where he was immediately operated on and had a lung removed. He died the 13 september 1996 at 4:03. He was only 25 years old.

www.2paczone.com...
here are some suspects in his killing. if you read the summary of his death you would see that the best suspects are mobb deep, black mafia, and orlando anderson. i doubt suge shot him because suge caught a bullet himself but khadafi whispered in a song "suge shot ya"

The murder on Tupac Shakur remains unsolved. Who was the murderer? It could almost be anybody. Tupac made a lot of enemies during his short life. However, if I had to guess, I would say that it was Orlando Anderson (south-side crip) who murdered Tupac.

Suge Knight
In the intro to The Don Killuminati it sounds like Kadafi says "Suge shot him".

Suge Knight told Tupac to take of his bullet proof vest because it was hot. Tupac always wore it and it could of saved his life if he did not take it off. Why wouldn't Suge want Tupac to wear it? This is just a rumor though.Suge Knight and death row records were uncooperative with police after the killing and Suge said he would not tell police who the killer was if he knew.

Kadafi of The Outlawz said he saw who killed Tupac, and was going to tell the police but he was killed a month after Tupac. It turned out it was an accident.

Crips
A Death Row medallion was stolen from a member of Death Row, allegedly stolen by Orlando Anderson. Three months later at the MGM in Las Vegas Suge Knight and Tupac saw Orlando Anderson who had stolen the medallion and Suge and his entourage started to attack him. Death Row left before the police came. Later Orlando and the Crips were looking for Tupac as he was going to Suges club 662. A car pulled up next to Tupacs and opened fire killing Tupac. Orlando Anderson was a while after the murder on Tupac Shakur.

Mobb Deep
Mobb Deep and Tupac dissed each other on record. Mobb Deep were in California when Tupac was shot. Did Mobb Deep have balls enough to kill Tupac? This is from a Mobb Deep song:

"you tried to test my patients
but i got somethin for ya
i creeped on ya weakness
then came to california
my crew loadin nines
screamin now it's past ya time
on the border where we stood
anxiously awaiting your ritious crooks
H slammed the door on the caddy
blaze the blunt & load the daddy
drove past ya #in sign
what was yours suddenly became min
shattered the window with the nine
killin bitches is a must, not a crime"

Black Mafia
The Black Mafia said they shot Tupac in New York. Black Mafia wanted Tupac to sign to Bad Boy but Tupac refused. Tupac was to die in New York for saying no. Tupac could have been killed in Las Vegas because he was not killed in New York.



read the mobb deep lyrics.


PLEASE BE ADVISED(graphic)
www.tupacnet.org...
this si the only proof tupac is dead but you cant see his face and his tatoos are blurry.

anyone that thinks tupac sucked needs to open there eyes and see the facts. he was a millionare so he must of been doing something right.

more strange things tupac was a rapper for about the same time as the antichrist was in power.
many times he symbolized the devil but there would be a 7 to symbolize hope. and all the numbers were added up they would make up a 777 for god and he made many other things related to christain. in no more more pain he says when i die um gon be a livin legend.

he makes other references in no more pain that he is still alive.maybe he has hidden messages in his songs that reveal where he is hiding.

[edit on 7/23/2004 by machinegunjordan]



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:15 AM
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If Pac is infact dead, the only one's who know who killed him, are those involved, simple and plain.

There were numerous clues placed in his music, since 1995, that suggested he wanted to fake his own death, and if he done just that, then despite what these pimple faced kids came up with about him coming back in 7 yrs, he would not return when/if anyone expected him to.

So if he is dead, then the following people could have been in on it.

Suge Knight, he owed Pac 200+ Million dollars, and Pac wanted to make his own label, and leave Death Row, so to put a stop from him paying up, he could have easily had him killed.

P Diddy/Biggie Smalls, rather you like to admit it or not, Diddy is one hell of a business man, and with that kind of money, and power, he could have had Pac killed.
Now Biggie may have been in on it, but I believe he was too big hearted to, and wanted to keep everything on wax.

Orlando Lane, aka Baby Lane, an L.A. Crip, who Pac got into a fight with at the MGM Grand.
While I feel he was placed there as a diversion for Pac to fake his death, a part of the plan if you will, he was killed by some bloods, who were probably NOT in on the plan (assuming there was one), so they jumped to conclusions, and pop, one more dead nigga.

The truth is, noone but those involved know, or will most likely ever know, so we can only raise theory about it.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 01:48 PM
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You have got to be kidding me. I could only read the first page of this crap. Killuminati means Kill the Iluminati? Your full of #, he meant he was an enlightened killer. He would have exposed what government secrets? How and the hell would he know any of them? On the verge of being the next Malcome X or Dr. King? Tupac was a humanitarian yes, but he did it very quitely, he was a "thug poet" a talented rapper, song writer, and a desent actor. I loved Tupac's music, infact when he died so did my listening to rap. He was what he was, nothing more, nothing less.

A Gang from LA more then likely killed him, there is video of him and his guys beating the crap out of a guy the day before(or same day I don't remember) in a Las Vegas casino. The guy had heavy ties to a gang from LA.

He's dead, gone, died from the lifestyle he lived and rapped about. Let him and this crap rest.

[edit on 27-7-2004 by Darktalon]



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 02:18 PM
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Who Killed TuPac?

... Jimmy Paige (Led Zeppelin guy).



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 02:36 PM
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I personaly didnt like 2pac- but i think he was a proper artist- he could write songs and he was a good performer.
It like the aurgument about eminem-alot of people think he is just a thug and a criminal but he is very intelligent and just has alot to say for himself- same with 2pac.

With him being dead or alive- i havent made my mind up about that yet- but alot of me does think he is alive-his autopsey photos were very dodgy and the one i have seen is in black and white which is wierd for an autopsy photo.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 03:18 PM
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OK I have to pipe up here for a second. As a person who has heard my fair share of rap music (I can take it or leave it) let me say this. Rappers for years now have been using the names of historical groups and figures. It seems as though (mind you, this is not an across-the-board thing) rappers on different labels will choose (usually crime figures or early american gangs/members) different groups and they will refer to themselves as these people in the songs.

Example? OK...

here's a link about the real guys:

www.crimelibrary.com...

or

www.murderinc.com...

and here's the record company that took their name

www.murderincrecords.com...

I could dig around and find more, but that helps make my point. Alot of rappers do this, they will adopt the names of famous gangsters and refer to themselves by that name in their songs. I used to hear it all the time. I don't really listen to rap very much any more, though.

Tupac I think was just doing the same kind of thing with the Killuminati and whatnot. He called himself Makavelli (Machiavelli) also, who is another historical figure. If I remember right, Machiavelli faked his death and then exacted his revenge on his enemies when they thought he was dead. Interesting, eh?

I think Tupac was a very talented individual but I think people read too much into this. As always, just my opinion.

*edit* Please accept my apologies if I have repeated something that has already been brought up, as I have not read this entire thread.


[edit on 7/27/04 by The Axeman]



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Darktalon
You have got to be kidding me. I could only read the first page of this crap. Killuminati means Kill the Iluminati? Your full of #, he meant he was an enlightened killer. He would have exposed what government secrets?
[edit on 27-7-2004 by Darktalon]


You ma'am, are full of #.
He said himself, that Killuminati meant he was going to put a rest to this Illuminati bull#, and how he doesnt believe in it.



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Who cares? Tupac sucked! Rap sucks! Hip hop has been on a downward spiral since the late 80's. I'm glad he's dead because because he sucked but, I'm sad he's dead because he became a martyr for his own music.


i hope you are not for real cuz its a conspiracy forum, so your personal taste for hip hop are not necessary.! and my opnion about it, he was killed by the illuminati for sure!




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